Telepathy

[Theo Retical]

4 hours ago, MrsGently said:

well it is. information, strings, quarks molecules, atoms. In that order, if you ask me. But of course you're entitled to your opinion. 

Our consciousness to me arises out of the basis of it, because information is nothing if it isn't 'processed'. The rest emerges because cosnciousness needs 'storage space' for the information and its derivatives.

Well, consciousness is the way information processing feels when it is processed in neuronal networks like our brains that have evolved for this purpose. It is nothing more and nothing less. In particular, it has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, I believe. 

You wait for the time when your group can connect with others at higher and higher levels of consciousness? Well, then you need to hope that someone creates such routes of information transfer for you.

[MrsGently]

2 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

Well, consciousness is the way information processing feels when it is processed in neuronal networks like our brains that have evolved for this purpose. It is nothing more and nothing less. In particular, it has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, I believe. 

You wait for the time when your group can connect with others at higher and higher levels of consciousness? Well, then you need to hope that someone creates such routes of information transfer for you.

I am sorry you don't understand what I actually said and don't know 'men who stare at goats'

[openozy]

9 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Crazy people will always look for an excuse to "be special". It's schizophrenia not telepathy. Time to grow up people.

Everyone thinks they're special, they have to and they are. Telepathy is real but humans largely choose to ignore their gut feeling, mainly because they live in a nanny state and also have an overinflated opinion of themselves as a higher being than other creatures.

Edited March 6 by openozy

[XenoFish]

Gut feelings aren't telepathy. The closest thing to 'telepathy' is mirror neurons. 

[openozy]

35 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Gut feelings aren't telepathy. The closest thing to 'telepathy' is mirror neurons. 

I think they are very intertwined though but seeing you don't think telepathy is even a thing apparently, who are you to correct me?

[Theo Retical]

2 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Gut feelings aren't telepathy. The closest thing to 'telepathy' is mirror neurons. 

Yes, the closest conventional thing to telepathy is mirror neurons, but it is taken care in experiments that they do not affect the results. Although telepathy may exist, I found that people believing in it often have strange believes about physics and causality. 

[MrsGently]

13 hours ago, Theo Retical said:

Well, consciousness is the way information processing feels when it is processed in neuronal networks like our brains that have evolved for this purpose. It is nothing more and nothing less. In particular, it has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, I believe. 

You wait for the time when your group can connect with others at higher and higher levels of consciousness? Well, then you need to hope that someone creates such routes of information transfer for you.

I really had to think about it before I got together how this was relevant to what I said. And I found the issue:

'Well, consciousness is the way information processing feels when it is processed in neuronal networks...'

That is not my definition of consciousness. What you talk about is awareness.The self emerging from the neuronal networks, that is awareness. Consciousness is to me what every cell does on its own, I might even argue every molecule when interacting with its surroundings: information processing.

When you have 0/1 interacting with the next to it 0/1 out of that emerges (after a string of scale entities) RNA first which is code to reproduce this basic information processing unit/system.

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...mirror neurons...

is when the monkey learns by copying. Strange to put that in this topic, which is communication and danger averting and emotional bonds. ie basic survival. Of the genes. So to speak.

[XenoFish]

2 hours ago, openozy said:

I think they are very intertwined though but seeing you don't think telepathy is even a thing apparently, who are you to correct me?

Research and a solid effort in to it have formed my opinion. It's really easy to label something as psychic when it's mere coincidence. 

26 minutes ago, Theo Retical said:

Yes, the closest conventional thing to telepathy is mirror neurons, but it is taken care in experiments that they do not affect the results. Although telepathy may exist, I found that people believing in it often have strange believes about physics and causality. 

If you want real telepathy you're using it. The medium is which you are on allow all of us to distance communication with one another. If psychic telepathy existed there would be no need for speech. 

[openozy]

5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

If psychic telepathy existed there would be no need for speech. 

Yes as with most other species who still use it.

[openozy]

6 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Research and a solid effort in to it have formed my opinion. It's really easy to label something as psychic when it's mere coincidence.

You might be putting in too much effort? To me too much coincidence to be brushed aside.

[Theo Retical]

1 hour ago, MrsGently said:

I really had to think about it before I got together how this was relevant to what I said. And I found the issue:

'Well, consciousness is the way information processing feels when it is processed in neuronal networks...'

That is not my definition of consciousness. What you talk about is awareness.The self emerging from the neuronal networks, that is awareness. Consciousness is to me what every cell does on its own, I might even argue every molecule when interacting with its surroundings: information processing.

When you have 0/1 interacting with the next to it 0/1 out of that emerges (after a string of scale entities) RNA first which is code to reproduce this basic information processing unit/system.

is when the monkey learns by copying. Strange to put that in this topic, which is communication and danger averting and emotional bonds. ie basic survival. Of the genes. So to speak.

As I understand, you are talking from integrated information theory, which defines conciousness as integrated information. However, the fact that consciousness or awareness is integrated information does not allow to conclude that all integrated information is conscious. It is an assumption rather than a conclusion derived from evidence. I'm not an expert in this theory, but I don't need it.

 

[MrsGently]

1 hour ago, Theo Retical said:

... However, the fact that consciousness or awareness is integrated information does not allow to conclude that all integrated information is conscious. ...

no but those carrying 'code' (RNA, DNA) sure are

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, Theo Retical said:

Well, consciousness is the way information processing feels when it is processed in neuronal networks like our brains that have evolved for this purpose. It is nothing more and nothing less. In particular, it has nothing to do with quantum mechanics, I believe. 

You wait for the time when your group can connect with others at higher and higher levels of consciousness? Well, then you need to hope that someone creates such routes of information transfer for you.

So, how do you explain animals knowing when and where an earthquake is going to hit and running away before it does?  They have some link to what you are trying to deny.   We have it too, but it is trained out of us for the most part.   Yet there are still  people who have a plane ticket and decide at the last minute to not get on the plane which then crashes before it gets to it's destination.  Can you explain that with just having a physical electrical brain?  I would like you to explain it in your totally physical context.

P.S.  I have felt an earthquake coming but not in time to get away from it.   So I  know there are vibrations that we all can feel before it hits, but animals know long before that vibation is felt.

Edited March 6 by Desertrat56

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

So, how do you explain animals knowing when and where an earthquake is going to hit and running away before it does?  

Because their senses are lots more acute than ours. We 'think' too much.

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Yet there are still  people who have a plane ticket and decide at the last minute to not get on the plane which then crashes before it gets to it's destination.  Can you explain that with just having a physical electrical brain?  I would like you to explain it in your totally physical context.

Easy: coincidence.

I once decided to get off a metro and left my then gf alone to travel along.

I worked for an astrologer back then, and he said I should heed those feelings, or hunshes, or whatever it is called in Angry Saxon.

My gf was p!ssed off, but nothing happened to her.

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

P.S.  I have felt an earthquake coming but not in time to get away from it.   So I  know there are vibrations that we all can feel before it hits, but animals know long before that vibation is felt.

Animals may know long before we do, but most certainly not all of them. Lots of them die like flies.

Just before an earthquake rock gets pressurized, the resulting piëzo- electricity may give some animals an unpleasant feeling.

It's the hairs of their fur, or their feathers in case of birds.

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Ok, done editing.

Edited March 6 by Abramelin

[XenoFish]

7 hours ago, openozy said:

You might be putting in too much effort? To me too much coincidence to be brushed aside.

I quit because of how much of a nothing burger it is. You might believe, I never will. It's just too stupid to believe in.

[Guyver]

2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

So, how do you explain animals knowing when and where an earthquake is going to hit and running away before it does?  They have some link to what you are trying to deny.   We have it too, but it is trained out of us for the most part.   Yet there are still  people who have a plane ticket and decide at the last minute to not get on the plane which then crashes before it gets to it's destination.  Can you explain that with just having a physical electrical brain?  I would like you to explain it in your totally physical context.

P.S.  I have felt an earthquake coming but not in time to get away from it.   So I  know there are vibrations that we all can feel before it hits, but animals know long before that vibation is felt.

And birds.  I was watching some show that had some scientists studying a specific kind of small bird that migrates en mass for mating each year.  The scientists had caught some of the birds and affixed a very light weight tracking device.  The birds had flown all the way up from like Puerto Rico for this mating event, but shortly after they arrived, all the birds left.  The scientists couldn’t understand what was happening.  Two or three days later an enormous storm with tornadoes came in and struck the very area where the birds gathered.  Meteorologists didn’t even see the storm coming, but the birds did.  A few days after the storm passed the birds returned, and everything returned to normal.  The trackers showed the birds had traveled about a thousand miles to avoid the storm system, and the same distance to return after it was over.

Edited March 6 by Guyver

[MrsGently]

@Desertrat56 & @Guyver omg yes birds!

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Migrating birds use celestial cues to navigate, much as sailors of yore used the sun and stars to guide them. But unlike humans, birds also detect the magnetic field generated by Earth’s molten core and use it to determine their position and direction. Despite more than 50 years of research into magnetoreception in birds, scientists have been unable to work out exactly how they use this information to stay on course. Recently we and others have made inroads into this enduring mystery. Our experimental evidence suggests something extraordinary: a bird’s compass relies on subtle, fundamentally quantum effects in short-lived molecular fragments, known as radical pairs, formed photochemically in its eyes. That is, the creatures appear to be able to “see” Earth’s magnetic field lines and use that information to chart a course between their breeding and wintering grounds.

ScientificAmerican

[openozy]

5 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I quit because of how much of a nothing burger it is. You might believe, I never will. It's just too stupid to believe in.

Well we both know if you put up a wall, that's it done and dusted.

[Horta]

On 8/17/2023 at 10:26 AM, Written From a Darkness said:

I am curious to know how many members here believe that telepathy is possible and happens between people without their even knowing it is happening to them, and mistake the voices they are hearing as amental illness? Also, does anyone believe that mentally directing thought forms into one's psyche is possible? I have a viable reason as to why these questions are important to me, and would appreciate this topic being taken seriously enough for mature answers. Thanks.

I sometimes answer my wife only to find she didn't say anything, she was just thinking it. I don't think it is all that unusual for people who have been together long enough.

I doubt it's "telepathy" as such, more likely knowing the person so well you know what they are likely to be thinking, or going to say, in certain situations. The fact that it doesn't happen with anyone else makes this seem likely, if not obvious.

[ChrLzs]

Empathy? Yes.

Sympathy? Yes.

Coincidence? Yes.

Synchronicity? Yes. (eg you will often think about someone or phone them just at the time they do the same)

Ability to read body language? Yes.

Ability to read other biological signs (eg pheromones)? Yes.

Semi-subconscious senses? Yes.  (eg just hearing the characteristic sound of your friends car approaching, before you are consciously aware).

etc.... I could go on for ages, but all these things can make it seem like you have powers.  You don't.

 

But please think about it - if telepathy existed it would be dead set easy to prove, and the value of such an ability would be effing enormous.  But when you design a test that eliminates cheating, the 'powers' vanish.  (And a big hi to Uri Geller and fellow charlatans!)

[+joc]

1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

Empathy? Yes.

Sympathy? Yes.

Coincidence? Yes.

Synchronicity? Yes. (eg you will often think about someone or phone them just at the time they do the same)

Ability to read body language? Yes.

Ability to read other biological signs (eg pheromones)? Yes.

Semi-subconscious senses? Yes.  (eg just hearing the characteristic sound of your friends car approaching, before you are consciously aware).

etc.... I could go on for ages, but all these things can make it seem like you have powers.  You don't.

 

But please think about it - if telepathy existed it would be dead set easy to prove, and the value of such an ability would be effing enormous.  But when you design a test that eliminates cheating, the 'powers' vanish.  (And a big hi to Uri Geller and fellow charlatans!)

All of that sounds good...but...

I blew my nose once...at the same time a volcano erupted!  Coinky Dink?  I think not...

[Antigonos]

11 minutes ago, joc said:

All of that sounds good...but...

I blew my nose once...at the same time a volcano erupted!  Coinky Dink?  I think not...

Harness those powers, my friend. Soon no one shall be able to stand in your way.

[+joc]

3 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Harness those powers, my friend. Soon no one shall be able to stand in your way.

We are having rice and beans tonight.  My premonition is that someone should just go ahead and put out tsunami warnings!

[Abramelin]

21 hours ago, MrsGently said:

@Desertrat56 & @Guyver omg yes birds!

ScientificAmerican

Ok. So nothing 'paranormal'.

[Abramelin]

14 hours ago, Horta said:

I sometimes answer my wife only to find she didn't say anything, she was just thinking it. I don't think it is all that unusual for people who have been together long enough.

I doubt it's "telepathy" as such, more likely knowing the person so well you know what they are likely to be thinking, or going to say, in certain situations. The fact that it doesn't happen with anyone else makes this seem likely, if not obvious.

It's also about body- language.

You have known your wife for years. You know, consciously, what she feels when she looks this way, cocks her head that way, and so on.

But the recognition, the viewing of body postuers also happens UNconsciously.

Like you may not like a person on first sight, and you have no clue what gave you that feeling.

Edited March 7 by Abramelin