Is this the end of Yevgeny Prigozhin?

[DarkHunter]

2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Prig would have had to have rocks in his head to have seen that and still flown. 
I reckon he’s going to do a surprise “FU! I’m still alive!” in a week or so. Possibly at the head of a tank column heading for Moscow.

To be fair Prigozhin is a master of disguise

[DarkHunter]

A commander of the RVC (Russian Volunteer Corps) has offered Wagner to join forces with them and do a second March on Moscow.

If anyone has forgotten the RVC is a Russian volunteer units based in Ukraine fighting against Russia.  Their biggest achievement so far has been border raids into Russia where they have taken over small towns and held them for anywhere from a few hours to almost a week.  

Not sure how the Ukranian government would feel about allowing Wagner soldiers to be based in and operate from Ukraine, but they are experienced combatants and they are mercenaries so they probably can be bought.

Edited August 24, 2023 by DarkHunter

[jmccr8]

3 hours ago, Megaro said:

One of the innocent victims on that plane was Kristina Raspopova.

The linked article says that she complained of "repairs" being made to the jet that delayed the departure. 

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/prigozhin-flight-attendant-kristina-raspopova-told-of-mystery-jet-repairs-as-bombladen-wine-case-was-loaded-onboard/news-story/c96b490d3a1dba870b3ebfd0d620d36f

Crashed Prigozhin's Legacy 600 jet has not been serviced since 2019 due to sanctions, Embraer said

“The company has complied and continues to comply with international sanctions imposed on Russia, which led to the suspension of aircraft maintenance since 2019, - Embraer

Hi Megaro

Looks like he couldn't get it serviced since 2019 due to sanctions.

[Alchopwn]

On 8/24/2023 at 3:27 PM, Alchopwn said:

Good work, not enough people have mentioned that Utkin is likely dead as well.  It was a huge mistake to have them both on the same plane, thus enabling a decapitation strike against Wagner PMC by Gerasimov and Shoigu.

Of course I am predicating this on the notion that Prigozhin is actually dead, not just one or more of his many doubles...  Time will tell.  In any case I think the order was given by Gerasimov and Shoigu, not necessarily Putin, but likely with his ultimate connivance.  Just another crime amongst so many.

[jmccr8]

The missing wing and landing gear were found. Even the rubber is fine. So I don’t believe in landing gear bay bomb location as Ruzzian officials were saying.

[Duke Wellington]

5 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

The missing wing and landing gear were found. Even the rubber is fine. So I don’t believe in landing gear bay bomb location as Ruzzian officials were saying.

Well that might change it, maybe Ukrainian special forces planted it.

Or maybe Russian ones, who knows.

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, Electric Scooter said:

Well that might change it, maybe Ukrainian special forces planted it.

Or maybe Russian ones, who knows.

Hi Cookie

It was shot out of the sky and not blown up with a bomb planted in the landing gear compartment. The condition of these new parts found do not show signs of internal explosives and the skin of the plane shows holes from external impact

[Buzz_Light_Year]

2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

It was shot out of the sky and not blown up with a bomb planted in the landing gear compartment. The condition of these new parts found do not show signs of internal explosives and the skin of the plane shows holes from external impact

Also the vertical column of smoke to the left of the falling plane also suggests missile.

[Duke Wellington]

Looking at news sites the US is reporting that it wasn`t a missile as the plane was too intact.

Someone has planted something inside the plane and it took both the tail and a wing off.

[jmccr8]

35 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

Looking at news sites the US is reporting that it wasn`t a missile as the plane was too intact.

Someone has planted something inside the plane and it took both the tail and a wing off.

https://t.me/pilotblog/6282?single

Hi Cookie

This is the link to the videos showing the condition and recovery of the wing and landing gear bay.

Edited August 25, 2023 by jmccr8

[Duke Wellington]

 

[jmccr8]

9 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

 

Hi Cookie

Really not much said other than I don't know and maybe this or that but thanks anyway

[Still Waters]

Russia says 10 bodies and flight recorders have been recovered from the scene of a jet crash presumed to have killed Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin.

"Molecular-genetic tests are now being carried out," investigators say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66620124

[+susieice]

16 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

It was shot out of the sky and not blown up with a bomb planted in the landing gear compartment. The condition of these new parts found do not show signs of internal explosives and the skin of the plane shows holes from external impact

This is what I first heard reported the day the plane crashed. Witnesses said they saw two streaks go up to the plane. ABC and most other news outlets were reporting missile strikes. ABC World News Tonight showed pictures of the wreckage showing the holes. Now they are all saying a bomb brought it down.

[DarkHunter]

5 minutes ago, susieice said:

This is what I first heard reported the day the plane crashed. Witnesses said they saw two streaks go up to the plane. ABC and most other news outlets were reporting missile strikes. ABC World News Tonight showed pictures of the wreckage showing the holes. Now they are all saying a bomb brought it down.

It is important to remember all mainstream media sources want to make money and they do that by getting people to click on their articles which leads to ad revenue.  With Russia saying it was a bomb, despite their account not lining up with the evidence, it is another way for the main stream media to keep bringing people back and increasing their revenue.  

[Duke Wellington]

8 hours ago, susieice said:

This is what I first heard reported the day the plane crashed. Witnesses said they saw two streaks go up to the plane. ABC and most other news outlets were reporting missile strikes. ABC World News Tonight showed pictures of the wreckage showing the holes. Now they are all saying a bomb brought it down.

I thought that on the first day or two as well.

It was watching military experts on Sky News who said it wasn`t a missile. They went through the wreckage photos and said they didn`t have the shotgun scatter holes that would be expected from a missile and that the holes they could see would be from the wreckage crumbling as it hit the ground.

They also pointed out as the plane is coming down its not smoke coming from it but aviation fuel which wouldn`t be expected from a missile. They said an device inside the plane is the most likely cause with it taking off the tail section and a wing.

[pellinore]

On 8/24/2023 at 1:30 AM, Shadowsfall said:

He must have known Vlad would get him one way or another….,,anybody think this is just a coincidence…

Yes, this is why he had to go, he was revealing the corruption (which no doubt he was part of):

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by pellinore

[Eldorado]

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has been confirmed dead after genetic analysis of bodies found in Wednesday's plane crash, Russian officials say.

The Investigative Committee (SK) said the identities of all 10 victims had been established and corresponded to those on the flight's passenger list.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66632924

[Duke Wellington]

There may be something else going on here.

Maybe part of the settlement with Putin is that he had to retire from Wagner and public life. Sent to live somewhere small in Siberia with a fake death via plane crash to convince the public he is gone?

[Alchopwn]

On 8/26/2023 at 7:43 AM, Electric Scooter said:

Well that might change it, maybe Ukrainian special forces planted it.

Or maybe Russian ones, who knows.

It is absolutely not to Ukraine's advantage to kill Prigozhin.  Think about it.  The man was a major source of chaos in Russia.  Prigozhin was a wild card 5th column that nearly occupied Moscow, and with pretentions to lead the Russian military, despite the fact that his tactics in Bakhmut were to plough his orcs into a meat grinder just the same as the other orc commanders, yet somehow Prigozhin was "better".  To be fair, he at least paid his orcs, unlike Putin's cronies.  In short, Ukraine gained nothing by taking Prigozhin off the board, and his absence as a political and military threat to Putin's little clique is something that Ukraine will ultimately shrug about, but actually stabilizes Russia, which is a shame.

[Unusual Tournament]

On 8/26/2023 at 7:43 AM, Electric Scooter said:

Well that might change it, maybe Ukrainian special forces planted it.

Or maybe Russian ones, who knows.

I don’t believe Ukraine had anything to do with it, if anything he was their best chance to end the war, BUT the symbolism of a plane falling outta the sky leaves no doubt of Prigozhin’s fall from Putin’s grace, the Icarus fable etc. The message more important than a friend that betrayed Putin

[Unusual Tournament]

On 8/28/2023 at 2:44 AM, Eldorado said:

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has been confirmed dead after genetic analysis of bodies found in Wednesday's plane crash, Russian officials say.

The Investigative Committee (SK) said the identities of all 10 victims had been established and corresponded to those on the flight's passenger list.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66632924

I wonder if Putin called Prigozhin on his mobile number and told him is plane was about to fall outta the sky and he’d miss his steak tartar?

[+Razman]

On 8/27/2023 at 12:02 PM, Electric Scooter said:

There may be something else going on here.

Maybe part of the settlement with Putin is that he had to retire from Wagner and public life. Sent to live somewhere small in Siberia with a fake death via plane crash to convince the public he is gone?

Certainly possible.I mean if Russia was responsible for it and they are the ones doing the DNA testing and black box thing . 

[Hankenhunter]

On 8/25/2023 at 2:58 PM, Electric Scooter said:

Looking at news sites the US is reporting that it wasn`t a missile as the plane was too intact.

Someone has planted something inside the plane and it took both the tail and a wing off.

That's adorable that you think that most missiles completely destroy an aircraft. A air to air missile is designed to explode close to an aircraft. 

 

[jmccr8]

The Investigative Committee is dealing with the case of the crash of Prigozhin's jet, this is a Russian investigation, there is no talk of an international one - Peskov. ㅤ

Various versions are considered, among them - a deliberate atrocity. ㅤ

Earlier, Brazil offered to investigate the crash jointly, since the Embraer Legacy 600 aircraft was produced by a Brazilian company, but was refused.
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According to aviation regulations Brazil absolutely must participate as the country where the airplane was produced. Plus the Embraer company separately.
But Ruzzia is the outlaw country. It is one more sign that they downed this jet themselves.