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Why did god NOT save her?


Dejarma

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Because, as/if God encompasses all things that means He also encompasses suffering and injustice. 

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8 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Because, as/if God encompasses all things that means He also encompasses suffering and injustice. 

you've lost me there

He? Should it not be something like 'IT' these days?

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16 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

you've lost me there

He? Should it not be something like 'IT' these days?

You asked why God allowed it … and my answer is “because that’s what God does sometimes” because If God exists and is omnipotent, omniscient and all encompassing, then God must also encompass all the worst things in life as well as all the good. These wishy-washy “God is love” people reduce God, and refuse to accept the full implications of what “all encompassing” means.

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Why didn't he save six million of his own people from the Holocaust? Contrary to popular opinion, God doesn't intervene. That's pure fantasy.

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5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

God must also encompass all the worst things in life

why create 'the worst things in life'  in the first place?

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6 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

God doesn't intervene. That's pure fantasy.

well no because god does not exist

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Just now, Dejarma said:

well no because god does not exist

How do you know?

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9 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

“because that’s what God does sometimes”

oh right, nice

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5 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

why create 'the worst things in life'  in the first place?

No bloody idea. The mind of God is unknowable.

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2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

How do you know?

if god is real how is it i don't believe? sorry to answer a question with a question

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Just now, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

No bloody idea. The mind of God is unknowable.

yet you believe & follow :wacko: 

i'd love to know how long it took, & the procedure for humans to not believe in the likes of Thor

in hundred years time people like you wont exist- hopefully sooner

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3 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yet you believe & follow :wacko: 

i'd love to know how long it took, & the procedure for humans to not believe in the likes of Thor

in hundred years time people like you wont exist- hopefully sooner

I’m certainly not making it 100 years…

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13 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

if god is real how is it i don't believe? sorry to answer a question with a question

For you, seeing is believing and you don't see him. I don't see him, either, but it's given that something kickstarted the Universe. A series of fantastical but real events had to occur for our galaxy to form, ditto for the solar system. Then a planet of just the right size and at just the right angle smacked the Earth leading to the formation of our binary Earth-Moon system without which macroscopic life as we know it could not have evolved. Then an endless series of unlikely disasters and evolutionary happenstance led the evolution of man. There's only so many times I can clap my hands like a delighted child and cry, "Oh happy chance!" before I start wondering.

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4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

i'd love to know how long it took, & the procedure for humans to not believe in the likes of Thor

You leave Thor outta this, he's been through enough... 

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

"Oh happy chance"

who's to say it's chance? The way life on this planet started maybe the natural order of the universe- who knows? i don't that's for sure

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6 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I’m certainly not making it 100 years…

you believe in something that (in your words)  Have:

 

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No bloody idea

about... how does one logically respond to that? :unsure2:

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5 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

who's to say it's chance? The way life on this planet started maybe the natural order of the universe- who knows? i don't that's for sure

Of course, it's chance, if you're an atheist. Anything else implies a directed Universe and the consequent can of worms that opens up. According to science, man is the product of millions of happy chances, without even only one of which, we wouldn't exist.

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

According to science, man is the product of millions of happy chances, without even only one of which, we wouldn't exist.

yeah but why wouldn't that be normal? All these so called chances you refer to are probably normal, not chances- in my opinion

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That's a lot of chances. If you really think it's all because of a chance, you would have to think it would have been one chance after another after another.

Kind of like winning the lotto every day of your life. 

Which isn't very likely now is it.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

you believe in something that (in your words)  Have:

 

about... how does one logically respond to that? :unsure2:

I believe that the Creator of all that exists, by virtue of being omnipotent, omnipresent etc etc is fundamentally unknowable by a human being. It’s probably the most weaselly of philosophical positions because it doesn’t require me rationalise why God does a thing beyond “Welll.…. He did”.

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2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

That's a lot of chances. If you really think it's all because of a chance, you would have to think it would have been one chance after another after another.

Kind of like winning the lotto every day of your life. 

Which isn't very likely now is it.

 

 

is that supposed to be some kinda logical analogy, is it?? Oh, please carry on :tsu:

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4 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I believe that the Creator of all that exists, by virtue of being omnipotent, omnipresent etc etc is fundamentally unknowable by a human being. It’s probably the most weaselly of philosophical positions because it doesn’t require me rationalise why God does a thing beyond “Welll.…. He did”.

oh right

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2 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah but why wouldn't that be normal? All these so called chances you refer to are probably normal, not chances- in my opinion

Don't ever go to Vegas. "Recently, scientists uncovered an eruption in Indonesia to top all eruptions. Occurring about 74,000 years ago, Toba is considered the most destructive super-eruption -- creating a 100-by-60-kilometer caldera now occupied by Lake Toba, and spreading ash as far away as the Himalayas, 3,000 kilometers to the northwest." The subsequent global volcanic winter was so prolonged so devasting to the global ecosystem, that the already small human population was reduced to a tiny fraction, resulting in a genetic bottleneck. If it had lasted a bit longer, mankind would have been made extinct. Oh, happy chance that didn't happen.

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2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Don't ever go to Vegas. "Recently, scientists uncovered an eruption in Indonesia to top all eruptions. Occurring about 74,000 years ago, Toba is considered the most destructive super-eruption -- creating a 100-by-60-kilometer caldera now occupied by Lake Toba, and spreading ash as far away as the Himalayas, 3,000 kilometers to the northwest." The subsequent global volcanic winter was so prolonged so devasting to the global ecosystem, that the already small human population was reduced to a tiny fraction, resulting in a genetic bottleneck. If it had lasted a bit longer, mankind would have been made extinct. Oh, happy chance that didn't happen.

i err um- nope you've lost me there.. what has ^this^ got to do with what you're replying to? i'm confused 

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