Popular Post Dejarma Posted August 26 Popular Post #1 Share Posted August 26 My Christian friends prayed to god for the life of their daughter who contracted cancer at the age of 2. At the age of 12 she finally passed on after a life of EXSTREAM pain & suffering!!! Not only for her of course.... Answer this: why did god NOT save her? Especially when god (it seems) gave her the fekin cancer in the first place! I've a strong feeling not many <Religious> folk will reply & attempt to explain why 2 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 26 #2 Share Posted August 26 Because, as/if God encompasses all things that means He also encompasses suffering and injustice. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #3 Share Posted August 26 8 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Because, as/if God encompasses all things that means He also encompasses suffering and injustice. you've lost me there He? Should it not be something like 'IT' these days? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 26 #4 Share Posted August 26 16 minutes ago, Dejarma said: you've lost me there He? Should it not be something like 'IT' these days? You asked why God allowed it … and my answer is “because that’s what God does sometimes” because If God exists and is omnipotent, omniscient and all encompassing, then God must also encompass all the worst things in life as well as all the good. These wishy-washy “God is love” people reduce God, and refuse to accept the full implications of what “all encompassing” means. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26 #5 Share Posted August 26 Why didn't he save six million of his own people from the Holocaust? Contrary to popular opinion, God doesn't intervene. That's pure fantasy. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #6 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: God must also encompass all the worst things in life why create 'the worst things in life' in the first place? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #7 Share Posted August 26 6 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: God doesn't intervene. That's pure fantasy. well no because god does not exist 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26 #8 Share Posted August 26 Just now, Dejarma said: well no because god does not exist How do you know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #9 Share Posted August 26 9 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: “because that’s what God does sometimes” oh right, nice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 26 #10 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, Dejarma said: why create 'the worst things in life' in the first place? No bloody idea. The mind of God is unknowable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #11 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: How do you know? if god is real how is it i don't believe? sorry to answer a question with a question 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #12 Share Posted August 26 Just now, Sir Wearer of Hats said: No bloody idea. The mind of God is unknowable. yet you believe & follow i'd love to know how long it took, & the procedure for humans to not believe in the likes of Thor in hundred years time people like you wont exist- hopefully sooner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 26 #13 Share Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, Dejarma said: yet you believe & follow i'd love to know how long it took, & the procedure for humans to not believe in the likes of Thor in hundred years time people like you wont exist- hopefully sooner I’m certainly not making it 100 years… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26 #14 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dejarma said: if god is real how is it i don't believe? sorry to answer a question with a question For you, seeing is believing and you don't see him. I don't see him, either, but it's given that something kickstarted the Universe. A series of fantastical but real events had to occur for our galaxy to form, ditto for the solar system. Then a planet of just the right size and at just the right angle smacked the Earth leading to the formation of our binary Earth-Moon system without which macroscopic life as we know it could not have evolved. Then an endless series of unlikely disasters and evolutionary happenstance led the evolution of man. There's only so many times I can clap my hands like a delighted child and cry, "Oh happy chance!" before I start wondering. Edited August 26 by Hammerclaw 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted August 26 #15 Share Posted August 26 4 minutes ago, Dejarma said: i'd love to know how long it took, & the procedure for humans to not believe in the likes of Thor You leave Thor outta this, he's been through enough... Quote ~ 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #16 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said: "Oh happy chance" who's to say it's chance? The way life on this planet started maybe the natural order of the universe- who knows? i don't that's for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #17 Share Posted August 26 6 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: I’m certainly not making it 100 years… you believe in something that (in your words) Have: Quote No bloody idea about... how does one logically respond to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26 #18 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dejarma said: who's to say it's chance? The way life on this planet started maybe the natural order of the universe- who knows? i don't that's for sure Of course, it's chance, if you're an atheist. Anything else implies a directed Universe and the consequent can of worms that opens up. According to science, man is the product of millions of happy chances, without even only one of which, we wouldn't exist. Edited August 26 by Hammerclaw 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #19 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said: According to science, man is the product of millions of happy chances, without even only one of which, we wouldn't exist. yeah but why wouldn't that be normal? All these so called chances you refer to are probably normal, not chances- in my opinion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted August 26 #20 Share Posted August 26 That's a lot of chances. If you really think it's all because of a chance, you would have to think it would have been one chance after another after another. Kind of like winning the lotto every day of your life. Which isn't very likely now is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 26 #21 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Dejarma said: you believe in something that (in your words) Have: about... how does one logically respond to that? I believe that the Creator of all that exists, by virtue of being omnipotent, omnipresent etc etc is fundamentally unknowable by a human being. It’s probably the most weaselly of philosophical positions because it doesn’t require me rationalise why God does a thing beyond “Welll.…. He did”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #22 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: That's a lot of chances. If you really think it's all because of a chance, you would have to think it would have been one chance after another after another. Kind of like winning the lotto every day of your life. Which isn't very likely now is it. is that supposed to be some kinda logical analogy, is it?? Oh, please carry on 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #23 Share Posted August 26 4 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: I believe that the Creator of all that exists, by virtue of being omnipotent, omnipresent etc etc is fundamentally unknowable by a human being. It’s probably the most weaselly of philosophical positions because it doesn’t require me rationalise why God does a thing beyond “Welll.…. He did”. oh right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted August 26 #24 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Dejarma said: yeah but why wouldn't that be normal? All these so called chances you refer to are probably normal, not chances- in my opinion Don't ever go to Vegas. "Recently, scientists uncovered an eruption in Indonesia to top all eruptions. Occurring about 74,000 years ago, Toba is considered the most destructive super-eruption -- creating a 100-by-60-kilometer caldera now occupied by Lake Toba, and spreading ash as far away as the Himalayas, 3,000 kilometers to the northwest." The subsequent global volcanic winter was so prolonged so devasting to the global ecosystem, that the already small human population was reduced to a tiny fraction, resulting in a genetic bottleneck. If it had lasted a bit longer, mankind would have been made extinct. Oh, happy chance that didn't happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 26 Author #25 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Don't ever go to Vegas. "Recently, scientists uncovered an eruption in Indonesia to top all eruptions. Occurring about 74,000 years ago, Toba is considered the most destructive super-eruption -- creating a 100-by-60-kilometer caldera now occupied by Lake Toba, and spreading ash as far away as the Himalayas, 3,000 kilometers to the northwest." The subsequent global volcanic winter was so prolonged so devasting to the global ecosystem, that the already small human population was reduced to a tiny fraction, resulting in a genetic bottleneck. If it had lasted a bit longer, mankind would have been made extinct. Oh, happy chance that didn't happen. i err um- nope you've lost me there.. what has ^this^ got to do with what you're replying to? i'm confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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