The Giza-Orion Blueprint

[Harte]

Here's the alignment.

Harte

[Megaro]

On 8/28/2023 at 8:27 AM, Scott Creighton said:

Edited August 30, 2023 by Megaro
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[Wepwawet]

6 hours ago, Harte said:

Here's the alignment.

Harte

Which if followed continues to Heliopolis. I'm not saying that was the intention of the alignment, but it's more solid than stars and fits with Heliopolis being the centre of their Sun worship.

[Scott Creighton]

9 hours ago, Harte said:

Here's the alignment.

Harte

The red circle (image below) connects the 3 most outer points of the Giza pyramid field and the Sphinx ends up 'sitting' right on the circle's perimeter. Not easy to get 4 significant points to do this on a circle.

Anyway - imagine the red circle is the horizon (ground).  Notice how at G1 Al Nitak is closest to the ground (point B).

Now notice how, at point D, it is Mintaka (G3c) corner that is closest to the ground.  IOW - the Belt stars are shown to have inverted 180 degrees.

SC

Edited August 30, 2023 by Scott Creighton

[Kenemet]

Group question:  does anyone have a top down diagram of where the star shafts point?  I see the side slice one but not a top down one.  I'm wondering how they're angled and where on the sides they are.

 

...and then perhaps we can discuss the idea that this wonderful plan where Al Nitak lines up with the corners of the pyramids (though we don't know at what date or what time of day.)   We might also ask why the corners would line up with the "star shafts," which are pointing south and north while the corner alignment runs northeast-southwest.

[Scott Creighton]

 

Now the purpose of the 'Lehner-Goedicke Line' becomes clear.

SC

Edited August 30, 2023 by Scott Creighton

[jmccr8]

31 minutes ago, Scott Creighton said:

 

Now the purpose of the 'Lehner-Goedicke Line' becomes clear.

SC

Hi Scot

Yes it clearly is a line, great sleuthing on your part I guess.

[Wepwawet]

1 hour ago, Kenemet said:

Group question:  does anyone have a top down diagram of where the star shafts point?  I see the side slice one but not a top down one.  I'm wondering how they're angled and where on the sides they are.

 

...and then perhaps we can discuss the idea that this wonderful plan where Al Nitak lines up with the corners of the pyramids (though we don't know at what date or what time of day.)   We might also ask why the corners would line up with the "star shafts," which are pointing south and north while the corner alignment runs northeast-southwest.

I think I saw such a plan on one of Ancient Architects videos about G1, but I don't remember which one. I think it came from Gantenbrink. I don't really fancy watching all his G1 videos again to check, it's that accent.

[Tom1200]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Scot

Yes it clearly is a line, great sleuthing on your part I guess.

Yes, but that line is almost straight.  Surely that's important?

Indisputable FACT 1 on which EVERYONE can agree: the Giza Plateau is pretty big.  (I've never been, nor has Scotty, but we've seen photos.)

Indisputable FACT 2: some alignments at Giza form almost-straight lines.

Indisputable FACT 3: the Egyptians did NOT have rulers that long.

So how did they manage to line up buildings so almost-perfectly?  The only logical logic is:

Probable Fact 4: the Egyptians must have used lasers.

Indisputable FACT 5: but lasers weren't invented until 1960.  (Had to look that up.)

Probable Fact 6: so where did the Egyptians get their lasers from?  Isn't it obvious?  ALIENS!  Or Atlanteans possibly.

Also - if Scotty is right and the AEs designed all those maths constants into their buildings - 'phi' and 'pi' are Greek letters which didn't exist until centuries later.  How did the Egyptians know about them 2000 years earlier?  ALIENS.  Gotta be.  (Or time travel?  Or time-travelling aliens?  Can't rule out Dr Who's intervention.  (But not Jodie Wotsername.  Sorry luv, but you wos rubbish.))

So there you have it.  Aliens dunnit.  Aliens wot obviously came from Al Nitak or perhaps the other one.  Let's just agree with Scotty and end this bloody thread.

[Windowpane]

4 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

... the Giza Plateau is pretty big.  (I've never been, nor has Scotty, but we've seen photos.)

...

Have to just intervene there, Tom1200: Scott has been to Giza.

There's a picture somewhere of him with Robert Bauval there.

And one of his books describes him walking all round Giza, until he had some sort of problem with a guard.  (I can't remember which book, and I can't remember what problem ... but Osiris came into it somewhere.  I think).

(However, you were right about Jodie ...  I liked Jon Pertwee best.)

Back on topic: I'm sure everyone here has seen this countless times, but in case they haven't ... 

[Scott Creighton]

1 minute ago, Windowpane said:

Have to just intervene there, Tom1200: Scott has been to Giza.

There's a picture somewhere of him with Robert Bauval there.

And one of his books describes him walking all round Giza, until he had some sort of problem with a guard.  (I can't remember which book, and I can't remember what problem ... but Osiris came into it somewhere.  I think).

(However, you were right about Jodie ...  I liked Jon Pertwee best.)

Back on topic: I'm sure everyone here has seen this countless times, but in case they haven't ... 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Scott Creighton

[Scott Creighton]

13 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

Yes, but that line is almost straight.  Surely that's important?

Indisputable FACT 1 on which EVERYONE can agree: the Giza Plateau is pretty big.  (I've never been, nor has Scotty, but we've seen photos.)

Indisputable FACT 2: some alignments at Giza form almost-straight lines.

Indisputable FACT 3: the Egyptians did NOT have rulers that long.

So how did they manage to line up buildings so almost-perfectly?  The only logical logic is:

Probable Fact 4: the Egyptians must have used lasers.

Indisputable FACT 5: but lasers weren't invented until 1960.  (Had to look that up.)

Probable Fact 6: so where did the Egyptians get their lasers from?  Isn't it obvious?  ALIENS!  Or Atlanteans possibly.

Also - if Scotty is right and the AEs designed all those maths constants into their buildings - 'phi' and 'pi' are Greek letters which didn't exist until centuries later.  How did the Egyptians know about them 2000 years earlier?  ALIENS.  Gotta be.  (Or time travel?  Or time-travelling aliens?  Can't rule out Dr Who's intervention.  (But not Jodie Wotsername.  Sorry luv, but you wos rubbish.))

So there you have it.  Aliens dunnit.  Aliens wot obviously came from Al Nitak or perhaps the other one.  Let's just agree with Scotty and end this bloody thread.

You really need to do some better fact checking.

SC

[Scott Creighton]

Minor correction.  Min culmination in Southern Hemisphere should read 10,500 BCE (not CE):

 

SC

[Unusual Tournament]

Didn’t the ancient Egyptian’s believe that the gods came from Orion’s Belt?

If so, then it wouldn’t be such a mystery to model the pyramids on this. Also it would mean the pyramids were purposely built as a package, negating completely the theory the 3 pyramids were designed and built as tombs

 

[Scott Creighton]

If we extend the line from the rear of the Sphinx (where it touches the circle) and continue through G2 centre to the opposite side of the circle, we bisect the circumscribed circle almost perfectly (not exactly) into two halves - which can be viewed as a northern and southern hemisphere. (Which may help explain the repsoitioning of G2 that we know occurred).

 

SC

Edited August 30, 2023 by Scott Creighton

[Kenemet]

53 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Didn’t the ancient Egyptian’s believe that the gods came from Orion’s Belt?

Nope.

In fact, Orion's belt is never mentioned by the ancient Egyptians.  Also, the shape of the constellation changed over time (the number of stars included) and during one time period it was actually two constellations (according to the AE's), with the belt being the pharaoh's crown (part of the constellation of Lepus was included.) Egyptian Constellations: A Complete List and Stories of Our Favorites - USVAO

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

Yes, but that line is almost straight.  Surely that's important?

Indisputable FACT 1 on which EVERYONE can agree: the Giza Plateau is pretty big.  (I've never been, nor has Scotty, but we've seen photos.)

Indisputable FACT 2: some alignments at Giza form almost-straight lines.

Indisputable FACT 3: the Egyptians did NOT have rulers that long.

So how did they manage to line up buildings so almost-perfectly?  The only logical logic is:

Probable Fact 4: the Egyptians must have used lasers.

Indisputable FACT 5: but lasers weren't invented until 1960.  (Had to look that up.)

Probable Fact 6: so where did the Egyptians get their lasers from?  Isn't it obvious?  ALIENS!  Or Atlanteans possibly.

Also - if Scotty is right and the AEs designed all those maths constants into their buildings - 'phi' and 'pi' are Greek letters which didn't exist until centuries later.  How did the Egyptians know about them 2000 years earlier?  ALIENS.  Gotta be.  (Or time travel?  Or time-travelling aliens?  Can't rule out Dr Who's intervention.  (But not Jodie Wotsername.  Sorry luv, but you wos rubbish.))

So there you have it.  Aliens dunnit.  Aliens wot obviously came from Al Nitak or perhaps the other one.  Let's just agree with Scotty and end this bloody thread.

It would appear that we're now playing "where's Waldo" with Al Nitak.

The discerning reader might notice that if you're standing at one corner of the GP and trying to line up the other pyramids with respect to something or another, that there's a lot of Other Older Things in the way:

 

This includes funerary temples, walls that were placed around the pyramid enclosures, and a bunch of mastabas (as you can see from the labels on this map:)  I've stood there on Giza and can confirm that yes, these older tombs do hinder the line of sight to the other pyramids.  They're huge, of course, so you can see them but you're not going to be measuring their corners because you can't see them.

They look like this:

Superman might be able to see through them, but your Jewish Space Lasers are going to bounce off so I'm afraid your alien laser yardstick hypothesis dies right there.

Also note that with this we also introduce the Incredibly Moving Timeline where (for no apparent reason that Scott has stated (in this iteration of his ideas)) Things Start in 10,500 BCE.

Also unaccounted for is how they knew that there was a "minimum cumulation" in 10,500 BCE given that they weren't keeping records back then... and if they didn't know there was a "minimum" then how would they know that there was a maximum in 2500 BCE?  (Cumulation is defined here: Culmination - Wikipedia.)  There seems to be upper and lower cumulations but not minimum and maximum cumulations, so who knows what in the heck Scott is attempting to convey.

Cumulations, by the way, occur once per day.

So we've got Al Nitak in the south (per the shafts... somewhere in the south... at sometime...) and in the southwest when the Earth is feeling flippy and northeast (I know Scott's label says "east" but there's a huge arrow on that map that says north and it's clearly northeast) when the Earth has quit being flippy.

And yes (I know you caught this) the Earth was supposed to be flippy in 2500 BCE, according to the Other Thread.  Should add that to the "not resolved" column.

I shall have to add that to his timeline thingy.

 

[jmccr8]

4 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

Yes, but that line is almost straight.  Surely that's important

Hi Tom

Yes it is important and the line was straight at one time but got a slight curve during the flip flop motion of the earth.

[Kenemet]

Just now, jmccr8 said:

Hi Tom

Yes it is important and the line was straight at one time but got a slight curve during the flip flop motion of the earth.

So a detour caused by the flipping and flopping?

[jmccr8]

4 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

So a detour caused by the flipping and flopping?

Hi Kenemet

Yes exactly, and should mention that when it flip flopped that the alignment of the belt wasn't reversed as it is now.

Edited August 30, 2023 by jmccr8

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Nope.

In fact, Orion's belt is never mentioned by the ancient Egyptians. 

From my readings, it’s evident the ancient Egyptians placed a lot of emphasis on Orion’s Belt. The position of the Giza pyramids certainly allows for a strong sense of balance between both. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Also, the shape of the constellation changed over time (the number of stars included) and during one time period it was actually two constellations (according to the AE's), with the belt being the pharaoh's crown (part of the constellation of Lepus was included.) Egyptian Constellations: A Complete List and Stories of Our Favorites - USVAO

Your link doesn’t work.

The position of Orion’s Belt may have changed but considering how many light years they are separated in distance and the time frame of construction of the pyramids, it’s impossible to suggest that the general positions of the 3 stars has changed. 

[Unusual Tournament]

In ancient Egyptian mythology, the stars in Orion's Belt represented the resting place of the soul of Osiris, the Egyptian god of the deceased. There is even a theory, proposed since the late 20th century, that the ancient Egyptians positioned the pyramids of Giza to align with the stars in Orion's Belt roughly 4,500 years ago. However, the theory is not widely accepted, and researchers disagree on how the stars would have appeared at the time.
 

https://www.space.com/28072-orions-belt.html

[Antigonos]

8 hours ago, Scott Creighton said:

You really need to do some better fact checking.

SC

YOU’RE telling someone ELSE they need to improve their fact checking?

There are plenty of examples to choose from with you, but I’ll pick one of my favorites: 

Remember the fact you got wrong when you misinterpreted what Belzoni said he found in G2’s sarcophagus to bolster your seed vault theory?

Oh that’s right. You didn’t mistakenly misinterpret what he said, you deliberately misrepresented it. My bad. 

[Thanos5150]

4 hours ago, Kenemet said:

This includes funerary temples, walls that were placed around the pyramid enclosures, and a bunch of mastabas (as you can see from the labels on this map:)  I've stood there on Giza and can confirm that yes, these older tombs do hinder the line of sight to the other pyramids.  They're huge, of course, so you can see them but you're not going to be measuring their corners because you can't see them.

If Giza was a master plan you would have done all of your surveying before these things were built and/or any number of scenarios which line of sight would not be an impediment.   

Scott's theories aside, it seems impossible to be coincidence to put the center or your circle in the center of G2, the center pyramid, that you could draw a circle to neatly enclose these pyramids as it does even sniffing the Sphinx's butt on your way:

 

Among other things which would include the equally non-coincidental "Heliopolis Line" running from G3-a to G1-a through the corners of G3 and G1 straight to Heliopolis. I don't have any thought as to why they did what they did, but it does seem it was done on purpose. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Thanos5150

[Windowpane]

8 hours ago, Kenemet said:

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The discerning reader might notice that if you're standing at one corner of the GP and trying to line up the other pyramids with respect to something or another, that there's a lot of Other Older Things in the way ...

But poor Khufu couldn't have done that, could he ...  There he was: he'd gone to all the trouble and expense of building the GP, but the unfortunate man couldn't have lined up its corner with the other two pyramids, because, whenever it was constructed (17,500 BC, 10,500 BC ... some other date that Scott has in mind somewhere) Menkaure and Khafre weren't built yet.  

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Also note that with this we also introduce the Incredibly Moving Timeline where (for no apparent reason that Scott has stated (in this iteration of his ideas)) Things Start in 10,500 BCE.

I have to say that I'm beginning to find Scott's Timeline a bit of a moveable feast.  It flips about like the flipping Earth ...