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Zelensky Says He Won’t Hold Elections Unless U.S. and EU Pay for Them


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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has demanded that taxpayers in the United States and European Union send the country even more aid if the West wishes for elections to be held next year.

In an interview published by the president’s office on Sunday evening, Zelensky said that he would be willing to hold elections despite the ongoing martial law amid the war with Russia, so long as the U.S. and EU bankroll the voting process.

The Ukrainian leader said that elections during peacetime typically cost around 5 billion hryvnia ($135 million) but did not speculate as to how much more they would cost during a war, though presumably it would be much higher.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/08/28/zelensky-says-he-wont-hold-elections-unless-u-s-and-eu-pay-for-them/

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24 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has demanded that taxpayers in the United States and European Union send the country even more aid if the West wishes for elections to be held next year.

In an interview published by the president’s office on Sunday evening, Zelensky said that he would be willing to hold elections despite the ongoing martial law amid the war with Russia, so long as the U.S. and EU bankroll the voting process.

The Ukrainian leader said that elections during peacetime typically cost around 5 billion hryvnia ($135 million) but did not speculate as to how much more they would cost during a war, though presumably it would be much higher.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/08/28/zelensky-says-he-wont-hold-elections-unless-u-s-and-eu-pay-for-them/

How many other parties can run? He made most of them illegal.

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What nation has ever had an election under martial law?  And if the Ukraine is not under martial law then I'm just shocked.

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1 hour ago, OverSword said:

What nation has ever had an election under martial law?  And if the Ukraine is not under martial law then I'm just shocked.

He declared a state of emergency and martial law on the day of the invasion. I very much doubt it has been revoked.

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President Zelensky is spot on. It is possible to hold elections when a country is at war- but not if it has been invaded and occupied. It is just common sense.

...Ukraine is fighting a war in which the entirety of the country is subject to Russian attack at any moment. Nationwide air raid alerts are a very common occurrence and can last anywhere from 20 minutes to many hours. The writing of this very article was disrupted by a Russian missile salvo on Lviv, which killed 10 people (as of this writing) and rocked the authors’ windows. The disruptions from air raids would make reliable voting, counting, and tabulation across the country simply impossible.

Ukraine has a system of robust procedures to ensure the integrity of the voting process. All ballot boxes must be visible by observers and members of the precinct electoral committee at all times so that no stuffing of ballots or other malfeasance can take place. Similarly, the counting of ballots must occur in a single sitting in sight of all observers and committee members. How can constant oversight of ballots, voter lists, and other important documents be maintained as everyone shuffles off to the bomb shelter? 

Ukraine Can't Legally Hold Elections Till the Invasion Ends (foreignpolicy.com)

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3 hours ago, razman said:

Helping them defend themselves is one thing , elections is another IMO.

Zelensky is not asking for financial help with an election. He knows it is impossible to hold an election atm. He is saying that if those countries who are providing aid in their war effort are insisting on elections to demonstrate democracy, they should fund it- because the population is either dispersed through Europe due to the war or actively fighting. Who in their right mind would man a polling booth on the front line, where there is intense trench warfare and artillery fire? The alternative would be to call the troops back to a safe area- which would immediately become unsafe. There are also millions of Ukrainian civilians in Poland and other countries who had to leave their homes due to the invasion and occupation- how could an election be organised and co-ordinated? How could you be sure you could contact them and ensure their safety? Zelensky is very keen on joining the EU and he knows that two of the criteria they insist on is democracy and the rule of law (which incidentally why the UK will have problems re-joining), but they will not be able to hold elections until they have repelled the invaders and their citizens are able to return home.

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How dumb is Zelensky? In no uncertain terms he’s being told time for a new leader and dumb ass coke-head can’t get the message. 
 

Another Ukrainian martyr in the making …

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It's not a big deal, just fix a few more boxing gigs for Usyk and a couple of million bucks for spare change... 

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The Americans who are objecting to the money spent supporting Ukraine are mad. It is the cheapest war the US has been involved in. Priceless military intelligence, the destruction of the military hardware of a generations-old enemy, and not a single US life lost. If I was a Republican, I'd rather spend $20 dollars a month supporting it, when the alternative may be sending my son or grandson to Europe in a few years time to end it.

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On 8/28/2023 at 1:10 PM, razman said:

Helping them defend themselves is one thing , elections is another IMO.

The US has been funding their retirement pensions since this began.  IIRC, to this date not a single IG has been put in place to account for a penny of what has been given to them by our Congress.  Inspector Generals not being assigned to look after this amount of funding is unheard of...

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I see you're russian to spread propaganda as fast as you can. At least supply a link so we can point, and laugh.

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We have to abolish Democracy or else it will die.

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Obviously you can't have an election when half the nation is occupied.

Like if half the US was under China control from an invasion during an active war then how the hell would you expect an election to be ran. Half the nation wouldn't even be able to vote in it 

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22 minutes ago, Cho Jinn said:

We have to abolish Democracy or else it will die.

Trump is that you?

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4 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Obviously you can't have an election when half the nation is occupied.

Like if half the US was under China control from an invasion during an active war then how the hell would you expect an election to be ran. Half the nation wouldn't even be able to vote in it 

Russia does not even control 20 percent of Ukraine.

The real issue is holding a Presidential election would divert precious resources away from the war effort. Ukraine can't afford that.

We never expected them to even resist the Russian invasion so long. Many people believe the war should've been over by now.

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5 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Trump is that you?

Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.

John Adams

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Various charges will easily be thrown out at trial.

For example the one where Trump claims he won. To successfully prosecute him for that then the legal requirement is not going to be to say look Biden is President. Its going to be to provide evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. Doubt will be so easy to introduce in that. Just because the Supreme Court ruled the election result couldn`t be challenged because one state doesn`t have the standing to sue another doesn`t mean there wasn`t a case to be answered. In fact, I rather suspect Biden doesn`t realise yet he has committed political suicide.

It would be so easy for team Trump to open up the trial to get that introduced and provide their evidence. After which what happens with the claimed insurrection? Is it illegal to hold an insurrection against a banana government taking control of a country when they didn`t win the election?

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6 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Trump is that you?

I'm with you, Spartan: To the Last Ukrainian!

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14 minutes ago, Cho Jinn said:

I'm with you, Spartan: To the Last Ukrainian!

It wouldnt surprise me if that happens.

The last Ukrainian (Zelensky) will of course flee rather than die lol.

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1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said:

Various charges will easily be thrown out at trial.

For example the one where Trump claims he won. To successfully prosecute him for that then the legal requirement is not going to be to say look Biden is President. Its going to be to provide evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he did. Doubt will be so easy to introduce in that. Just because the Supreme Court ruled the election result couldn`t be challenged because one state doesn`t have the standing to sue another doesn`t mean there wasn`t a case to be answered. In fact, I rather suspect Biden doesn`t realise yet he has committed political suicide.

It would be so easy for team Trump to open up the trial to get that introduced and provide their evidence. After which what happens with the claimed insurrection? Is it illegal to hold an insurrection against a banana government taking control of a country when they didn`t win the election?

Hi Cookie

WTH are you on about? If it makes you feel better Trump can complain how the Ukrainian election was stolen from him.

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On 8/30/2023 at 3:29 PM, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

WTH are you on about? If it makes you feel better Trump can complain how the Ukrainian election was stolen from him.

You are confused, it was the Russians, not the Ukrainians, who stole 2016.  Our Top Men and unimpeachable late night hosts said so!

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