WVK Posted September 2 #1 Share Posted September 2 Hungary shares a border with Ukraine. We traveled to Budapest to speak with the country’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán. https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1696643892253466712 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Scooter Posted September 2 #2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, WVK said: Hungary shares a border with Ukraine. We traveled to Budapest to speak with the country’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán. https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1696643892253466712 Watch them call to ban Tucker again after that lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 2 #3 Share Posted September 2 I'd never actually listened to Orban. He seems committed to the welfare of his citizens and has an impressive intellect. I guess that's why the Left labels him a "fascist". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted September 3 #4 Share Posted September 3 Everybody likes the right kind of freedom for the right kind of people don't they? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 3 #5 Share Posted September 3 Orban is In Putin’s pocket 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted September 3 #6 Share Posted September 3 I've heard of the blind leading the blind, but the shill interviewing the shill? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 3 Author #7 Share Posted September 3 11 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Everybody likes the right kind of freedom for the right kind of people don't they? Hungary emphasizes language, culture, borders, they want nothing to do with multiculturalism. What’s wrong with that? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Scooter Posted September 3 #8 Share Posted September 3 20 minutes ago, WVK said: Hungary emphasizes language, culture, borders, they want nothing to do with multiculturalism. What’s wrong with that? To me it highlighted how dangerous Biden is. The guy only believes in democracy so long as the people accept his views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 3 Author #9 Share Posted September 3 4 hours ago, Alchopwn said: I've heard of the blind leading the blind, but the shill interviewing the shill? Did you listen to the interview or is that a knee jerk reaction? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 3 #10 Share Posted September 3 4 hours ago, WVK said: Hungary emphasizes language, culture, borders, they want nothing to do with multiculturalism. What’s wrong with that? It's anathema to the modern Left. Sovereign nation-states cannot be compelled to be part of a unitary global system of control. The fools who spent years engaged in hate for Trump are part of this group. I think some are intelligent enough to question themselves and their own motives, but the rest seem more than happy to just get in line and hiss at any command from their media-lords. I doubt that they've considered what the real endgame is going to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+razman Posted September 3 #11 Share Posted September 3 26 minutes ago, and-then said: It's anathema to the modern Left. Sovereign nation-states cannot be compelled to be part of a unitary global system of control. The fools who spent years engaged in hate for Trump are part of this group. I think some are intelligent enough to question themselves and their own motives, but the rest seem more than happy to just get in line and hiss at any command from their media-lords. I doubt that they've considered what the real endgame is going to be. left , right , left , right , right , left , right , left . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted September 3 #12 Share Posted September 3 Hungary is disputing some territory with Ukraine, has been for a long time. They might not be impartial in the Ukraine / Russia conflict. Hungary gets to choose their path, they don't have to follow the West, but every path has its benefits and consequences implicit in the choice. Freedom. As long as it is my freedom. As long as you look like me, worship like me, follow me. My truth is the only truth. Is it freedom when the only acceptable view is agreement with the state? It works so well in Russia, China, and North Korea. Every one of those nations tells the world how free, prosperous, and happy their citizens are. And in fact, nothing ever goes wrong in those countries, the state is infallible and keeps its citizens safe. It seems agreement and conformity are far more important to happiness than freedom. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 3 Author #13 Share Posted September 3 On 9/2/2023 at 2:25 PM, and-then said: I'd never actually listened to Orban. He seems committed to the welfare of his citizens and has an impressive intellect. I guess that's why the Left labels him a "fascist". Another Tucker interview: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=256657886016147 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted September 4 #14 Share Posted September 4 According to a survey conducted in 2022, nearly 40 percent of Hungarians agreed that the main reason for people wanting to move abroad were the low salaries. At the same time, 32 percent of the respondents agreed that the state of democracy in the country was also a significant reason behind emigration.Apr 4, 2022 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299978/hungary-reasons-for-wanting-to-move-abroad/#:~:text=According to a survey conducted,a significant reason behind emigration. Hungary outside the EU might become more authoritarian and seek a closer relationship with Russia than it would inside the EU. It would likely become closer to next-door neighbour and already close partner and Putin sympathiser Serbia.May 31, 2022 https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2022/05/31/those-calling-for-the-eu-to-expel-hungary-should-think-again/#:~:text=Hungary outside the EU might,partner and Putin sympathiser Serbia. The resolution condemns the Hungarian government’s anti-EU campaigns, which aim to divert attention away from a lack of compliance with European values and systemic corruption. MEPs urge the government to bring elections in line with international standards, especially in light of the upcoming European elections in 2024. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230524IPR91910/hungary-meps-denounce-deliberate-and-systematic-efforts-to-undermine-eu-values Those are only a few of reality checks regarding Orban and his authotarian pro russian stance. They cannot even get the EURO currency because of all the Orban corruption. Billions were invested in Hungary by the EU to rebuild it after decades under soviet russian rule. And? Nothing. Lowest sallaries in the EU, slow economy, high unemployment rate. Compare that to Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Croatia..they took the money, rebuild their countries, atrackted investors....and now paying back into EU as it is supposed to work. Victor Orban is a traitor to Hungary, to Europe and the western world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 4 #15 Share Posted September 4 10 hours ago, razman said: left , right , left , right , right , left , right , left . I didn't create the spectrum. I use it because it's the only way to communicate the reality we face. Take or leave it, just as you like. IMO, those who shrug off the evils done by one particular party by claiming the other is just as bad, need to present some proof to back it. Anyone who can look at the absolute chaos reigning in Democrat-controlled cities and say both parties are "all the same", are self-deluded, not sagacious... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted September 4 #16 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 16 hours ago, WVK said: Hungary emphasizes language, culture, borders, they want nothing to do with multiculturalism. What’s wrong with that? Yes, let their xenophobic culture die in peace, if that is what they want so badly. But given that it is mainly their dictator saying this, and he is a stooge of Putin, perhaps there is reason not to give up on Hungary just yet? Perhaps this is all just propaganda? Edited September 4 by Alchopwn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted September 4 #17 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 5 hours ago, odas said: Lowest sallaries in the EU, slow economy, high unemployment rate. Compare that to Poland, Czech, Slovakia, Croatia.. Okay, I did: https://www.worlddata.info/ Average income(in US$) is Poland at 18.4k Hungary at 19k Croatia at 19.4k Slovakia at 22k Czech at 26.5k Lowest cost of living is Hungary Unemployment rate is 3.4% in Hungary (two others just under 3% two others just over 6%) Edited September 4 by acidhead 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted September 4 #18 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 26 minutes ago, acidhead said: Lowest cost of living is Hungary As compared to whom exactly? Hungary only has the 17th lowest cost of living (out of 43) in Europe in 2023. It isn't that low. Edited September 4 by Alchopwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted September 4 #19 Share Posted September 4 32 minutes ago, acidhead said: Lowest cost of living is Hungary If a dictator can give you a low cost of living is everything copesetic? China does even better and Russia is at below most of Europe on GDP and cost of living. It would be hard to find a lower cost of living than in NK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 4 Author #20 Share Posted September 4 6 hours ago, Alchopwn said: Yes, let their xenophobic culture die in peace, if that is what they want so badly. But given that it is mainly their dictator saying this, and he is a stooge of Putin, perhaps there is reason not to give up on Hungary just yet? Perhaps this is all just propaganda? No need for heavily armed military presence to protect the public/tourists from multiculturalism in xenophobic culture. Was in France, Italy Germany in 2019 military everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted September 4 #21 Share Posted September 4 Just now, WVK said: No need for heavily armed military presence to protect the public/tourists from multiculturalism in xenophobic culture. Was in France, Italy Germany in 2019 military everywhere. Sorry, was that sentence supposed to make sense? Of course the military is needed to stop foreigners in a xenophobic culture. In many ways the military is every nation's most strident form of xenophobia as an institution. What are you trying to say? Perhaps you can express your point differently and more clearly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 4 Author #22 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Alchopwn said: Sorry, was that sentence supposed to make sense? Of course the military is needed to stop foreigners in a xenophobic culture. In many ways the military is every nation's most strident form of xenophobia as an institution. What are you trying to say? Perhaps you can express your point differently and more clearly? Hungary doesn’t need the military to protect their citizens from hostile immigrants living within the borders, like i saw in France, Italy Germany in 2019. Can you blame them for not wanting this: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime STOCKHOLM, April 28 (Reuters) - Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said on Thursday, as she launched a series of initiatives to combat organised crime. Many Swedes were shocked earlier this month after violent riots left more than 100 police injured. The violence erupted after a Swedish-Danish politician burned the Quran at a rally and sought to hold more in several immigrant-dominated neighborhoods. read more https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 4 Author #23 Share Posted September 4 59 minutes ago, WVK said: Hungary doesn’t need the military to protect their citizens from hostile immigrants living within the borders, like i saw in France, Italy Germany in 2019. Can you blame them for not wanting this: Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime STOCKHOLM, April 28 (Reuters) - Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said on Thursday, as she launched a series of initiatives to combat organised crime. Many Swedes were shocked earlier this month after violent riots left more than 100 police injured. The violence erupted after a Swedish-Danish politician burned the Quran at a rally and sought to hold more in several immigrant-dominated neighborhoods. read more https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/ And who exactly needs this? Riots in France have already cost businesses more than $1 billion’s https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/business/france-riots-businesses-cost/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted September 5 #24 Share Posted September 5 On 9/4/2023 at 2:45 AM, acidhead said: Okay, I did: https://www.worlddata.info/ Average income(in US$) is Poland at 18.4k Hungary at 19k Croatia at 19.4k Slovakia at 22k Czech at 26.5k Lowest cost of living is Hungary Unemployment rate is 3.4% in Hungary (two others just under 3% two others just over 6%) It's acctualy 4% as of July 2023, up from 3.9 in June. One can see the impact of EU closing the free cash bag to Hungary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 5 #25 Share Posted September 5 On 9/3/2023 at 9:57 AM, WVK said: Hungary emphasizes language, culture, borders, they want nothing to do with multiculturalism. What’s wrong with that? Lets see....Magyars, Cumans, Croats, Jazzi, Saxons, Romani, Vlachs..... Nope, nothing multicultural about that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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