Doctor Who Studied 5,000 Near-Death Experience Cases Claims There Is Life After Death

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A Kentucky oncologist who studied nearly 5,000 near-death experience cases over the last 37 years, claims that he has come to believe that “there’s certainly an afterlife”.

Jeffrey Long was an oncology resident when he first came across an article describing a near-death experience. He was studying how to best treat cancer using radiation at a library when he came across this fascinating case that ended up changing his life. Up to that point, he had been taught that people were either alive or dead, but here was this cardiologist describing the incredible experience of a patient who had died and then came back to life.

 

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Regardless of the data sets or methodology, those who reject the concept of a Creator, will continue to do so until they've been compelled by personal experience.

I believe our consciousness continues after our bodies decease.  I have no clear concept of what comes next, but I really expect death to be like passing through a door or a veil, into a different reality.

My parents both passed before the age of 67 and I'll be 63 next month, so I think about this transition more now than I ever have before.  I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, in fact, I'm at peace with what comes next.  I just hope the transition itself isn't slow and painful.  

[+OverSword]

Personally I really hope there is some kind of afterlife and an eventual reincarnation.  I think this is a fun ride.

[spartan max2]

I don't agree with him but I also hope he is right. 

[+OverSword]

12 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I don't agree with him but I also hope he is right. 

But there are some compelling anecdotes, such as the one in the article about the woman that left her body and rode with the horse back home where she could accurately describe what happened there even though her body was somewhere else.  

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

But there are some compelling anecdotes, such as the one in the article about the woman that left her body and rode with the horse back home where she could accurately describe what happened there even though her body was somewhere else.  

I read a lot of anecdotes on it and used to go the NDE website where people directly upload their stories. There are some interesting stories for sure. Some that are difficult to explain. 

But I also see studies every couple of weeks that change our understand of when the brain is actually dead. Parts are active longer than we used to believe. 

And at the end of the day an anecdote is just a story, so you can never be sure. 

But again, I would very much like it to be true. NDEs used to be the one thing I clung to for belief in an afterlife 

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Just now, spartan max2 said:

I read a lot of anecdotes on it and used to go the NDE website where people directly upload their stories. There are some interesting stories for sure. Some that are difficult to explain. 

But I also see studies every couple of weeks that change our understand of when the brain is actually dead. Parts are active longer than we used to believe. 

And at the end of the day an anecdote is just a story, so you can never be sure. 

But again, I would very much like it to be true. NDEs used to be the one thing I clung to for belief in an afterlife 

I kind of feel that if we are in a cycle of reincarnation that makes life and the universe fair.  

[+Razman]

Yea , i thought the horse one was interesting , i haven't been able to locate the actual story though. This one is kinda interesting as well , from a med student . 

'I Study NDEs. What I've Learned About Near-Death Experiences Changed My Life' (newsweek.com)

[+Razman]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

those who reject the concept of a Creator, will continue to do so until they've been compelled by personal experience.

Or some kind of proof i suppose. Our neighbor just collapsed and died in his garage this afternoon i'm guessing he was older , maybe in his 70's.

Edited September 7, 2023 by razman

[spartan max2]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I kind of feel that if we are in a cycle of reincarnation that makes life and the universe fair.  

Out of all the religious or spiritual beliefs, reincarnation is the one that makes the most sense to me 

[psyche101]

Lol

I first read

 

Dr Who

Studied 5,000 near death experiences. 

 

 

He would be an expert. Would be a more interesting story too 

 

[+Razman]

3 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Lol

I first read

 

Dr Who

Studied 5,000 near death experiences. 

 

 

He would be an expert. Would be a more interesting story too 

 

Yea , Tom Baker was the one back when i used to watch it religiously in the beginning. Always the best for me , but i still catch it here and there . I was living in Chicago at the time and i remember one night , someone actually hacked the channel during the show , and if i remember correct , they mooned the camera and there was a dude with a weird cult like mask.Actually , I just looked it up , it was a Max Headroom mask . It was this below, i didn't realize there was other hacks that day like this unitil now.

The Max Headroom Incident And The Creepy Mystery Behind It (allthatsinteresting.com)

Edited September 8, 2023 by razman

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

DID SOME9NE SAY DOCTOR WHO!?! ! 

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12 hours ago, OverSword said:

But there are some compelling anecdotes, such as the one in the article about the woman that left her body and rode with the horse back home where she could accurately describe what happened there even though her body was somewhere else.  

The one account that I was most impressed with was of a young woman in a hospital who coded and was "gone" for several minutes, and she related to the staff and her family the things she saw while out of the body.  One thing was a shoe sitting on an outside window ledge, on a totally different floor of the building than the one she was on. 

I have no doubt these experiences are real.  

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12 hours ago, razman said:

Or some kind of proof i suppose.

Yes, that's what I mean when I said they'd be compelled to by a personal experience.  They'll have to experience the presence of the Creator before they'll be able to believe.  The most uplifting aspect of these stories is the accounts of life after a person goes through this experience.  It causes real, lasting, positive change in their lives.  Since death is the ultimate fear of the unknown, if a person experiences a glimpse of something beyond that end that we all dread, I imagine it would make life much easier to deal with.  

[Susanc241]

But none of these people were ever truly irretrievably dead, were they?  That’s the stumbling block for me.

[Chaldon]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Yes, that's what I mean when I said they'd be compelled to by a personal experience.  They'll have to experience the presence of the Creator before they'll be able to believe.  The most uplifting aspect of these stories is the accounts of life after a person goes through this experience.  It causes real, lasting, positive change in their lives.  Since death is the ultimate fear of the unknown, if a person experiences a glimpse of something beyond that end that we all dread, I imagine it would make life much easier to deal with.  

Unfortunately the lasting positive changes in the lives is not always the case. I read that many people tend to forget their experiences, or rather, as the years of ordinary life are going by, they become more and more vague and unbelievable. This "ordinary life" thing tends to kill any belief.

[Chaldon]

58 minutes ago, Susanc241 said:

But none of these people were ever truly irretrievably dead, were they?  That’s the stumbling block for me.

Of course they weren't, no conscience can return into a decomposing body. If the physical mechanism is still functional enough to hold the conscience it may be used as the vessel for the information again.

[Chaldon]

15 hours ago, OverSword said:

Personally I really hope there is some kind of afterlife and an eventual reincarnation.  I think this is a fun ride.

As of the reincarnation I don't know if there is any proof in the documented NDE's. May be there is but I didn't read of such. There sorta was some kind of proof in the experiments by Stanislav Grof but it is quite controversial as all the transpersonal psy stuff. Anyway, although I am practicing Zen meditation and reading a lot of Buddhist literature in general, I have never been able to remember even a slightest bit from any of my previous lives. My earliest memories are from when I was only 1 year old, recovering from the first flu, and the memories are quite vivid, but I absolutely can't remember anything before that moment.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Chaldon

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1oDuvQR08

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Susanc241 said:

But none of these people were ever truly irretrievably dead, were they?  That’s the stumbling block for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1oDuvQR08

[Nicolette]

That was the same thing that made it clear to me that it was real. You can't really chalk it up to hallucination when your eyes are closed and you have no pulse or breath and see and know everything that happened in the room in the meantime from a different angle then where your body is plus seeing a tunnel of light at the same time. People have been around a long time, it's a deep rooted myth because its true and nothing new. I had no expectations or religious belief when i saw the portal, it's just what's there.

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3 hours ago, and-then said:

The one account that I was most impressed with was of a young woman in a hospital who coded and was "gone" for several minutes, and she related to the staff and her family the things she saw while out of the body.  One thing was a shoe sitting on an outside window ledge, on a totally different floor of the building than the one she was on. 

I remember this one.  Things like this go more toward indicating that you can leave your body under extreme duress than there being an afterlife though I think.  There are accounts of people undergoing torture that claim to have viewed it from outside their body too.

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1 hour ago, Chaldon said:

As of the reincarnation I don't know if there is any proof in the documented NDE's. May be there is but I didn't read of such. There sorta was some kind of proof in the experiments by Stanislav Grof but it is quite controversial as all the transpersonal psy stuff. Anyway, although I am practicing Zen meditation and reading a lot of Buddhist literature in general, I have never been able to remember even a slightest bit from any of my previous lives. My earliest memories are from when I was only 1 year old, recovering from the first flu, and the memories are quite vivid, but I absolutely can't remember anything before that moment.

What is your technique?  One time while meditating I hopped back by five year intervals all the way to very early childhood and it was amazing how vivid those memories were when approached that way.

[Nicolette]

22 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I remember this one.  Things like this go more toward indicating that you can leave your body under extreme duress than there being an afterlife though I think.  There are accounts of people undergoing torture that claim to have viewed it from outside their body too.

Could be but it doesn't seem so coicidental when you see everything in the room at the same time you are concluded dead. Also at the same time as being drawn toward a portal. Everything else seems dark compared to it. I don't know if that's an afterlife but it definitely seems like you are still you when you are headed there without you which might indicate that there is a you after your physical body has ceased to function.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Nicolette