Details of secret UFO memo sent to Justin Trudeau revealed

[+joc]

13 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

take a look at what happened recently with David Grusch when his medical records were released to the media

What? The disclosure that he had been treated for PTSD, had a substance abuse problem and was treated by a Psychiatrist?  As if none of that information was unimportant as to his believability as a witness whistle blower?  

16 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Now, watch this video from a movie and understand that it depicts a situation in reference to UFO encounters that occur on a regular basis in real life and yet, most UFO reports go unreported by military and commercial pilots.

No...I don't care what Hollywood depicts anything as.  I'm not watching the video because I don't care.  Believe whatever you want.  I don't care.  

 

[skyeagle409]

7 minutes ago, joc said:

  As if none of that information was unimportant as to his believability as a witness whistle blower?  No...I don't care what Hollywood depicts anything as.  I'm not watching the video because I don't care.  Believe whatever you want.  I don't care.  

You have confirmed my point about closed-minded skeptics who are not interested in the facts that proves them wrong. Thank you for your support by proving my case. Now, about that balloon you said was blown into a million pieces and carried no tracking device? Please present your evidence for all to see.

[+joc]

2 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

You have confirmed my point about closed-minded skeptics who are not interested in the facts that proves them wrong. Thank you for your support by proving my case. Now, about that balloon you said was blown into a million pieces and carried no tracking device? Please present your evidence for all to see.

I didn't say it was blown into a million pieces...I said that's what happens when weather balloons get to high and to cold and the balloon freezes.  It eventually disintegrates.  I watched one disintegrate through my binoculars.  Pretty bizarre.  And I didn't say there wasn't a tracking device...I said without one it would be difficult to find.  They haven't found it yet have they?  No.  They haven't.

You haven't proved anything I have said wrong.  But David Grusch had been treated for PTSD, had a substance abuse problem and was treated by a Psychiatrist.  Doesn't matter how we found out about it. 

[skyeagle409]

20 minutes ago, joc said:

I didn't say it was blown into a million pieces...I said that's what happens when weather balloons get to high and to cold and the balloon freezes. 

What were you implying at post #8 when you said:

"Weather balloons are way high up.  When their skin gets too cold...they disintegrate in a million pieces." 

Apparently that is not what happened to the Chinese balloon that was recovered.

 

Edited September 11, 2023 by skyeagle409

[+joc]

11 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

What were you implying at post #8 when you said:

"Weather balloons are way high up.  When their skin gets too cold...they disintegrate in a million pieces." 

Apparently that is not what happened to the Chinese balloon that was recovered.

 

If the balloon was in the act of freezing when it was shot down it would have disintegrated...in a million pieces.  Apparently it wasn't.

[Trelane]

16 hours ago, Hawken said:

Why bring down a balloon with a $500k missile instead of using a 20mm cannon which would be cheaper? 

Distance from target to avoid any debris collision.

[ercbreeze]

Basically, we are spending millions on missiles to shoot down many school's science projects.  

[Trelane]

Just now, ercbreeze said:

Basically, we are spending millions on missiles to shoot down many school's science projects.  

Not exactly. Not even close.

[Trelane]

16 hours ago, Hawken said:

Why bring down a balloon with a $500k missile instead of using a 20mm cannon which would be cheaper? 

Not all US made and used air to air missiles cost that much. No word on what specific munition was used. Likely an AIM-7 Sparrow was used for exactly that reason.

[astrobeing]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Not all US made and used air to air missiles cost that much. No word on what specific munition was used. Likely an AIM-7 Sparrow was used for exactly that reason.

Do we even have conventional guns that can hit a target that's 100,000 feet in the air?

[Trelane]

11 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

Do we even have conventional guns that can hit a target that's 100,000 feet in the air?

 I think there's a misunderstanding with these different items. Some folks are confusing the altitudes of the various objects that were tracked this past winter.

[Golden Duck]

21 hours ago, Hawken said:

Why bring down a balloon with a $500k missile instead of using a 20mm cannon which would be cheaper? 

Maybe a fighter pilot could answer that question, just like former USAF fighter pilot CW Lemoine does.

[skyeagle409]

5 hours ago, joc said:

If the balloon was in the act of freezing when it was shot down it would have disintegrated...in a million pieces.  Apparently it wasn't.

Here is the Chinese balloon that was photographed at 60,000 feet in temperatures well below freezing and yet it did not disintegrate into a million pieces after it was shot down.

[+joc]

1 minute ago, skyeagle409 said:

Here is the Chinese balloon that was photographed at 60,000 feet in temperatures well below freezing and yet it did not disintegrate into a million pieces after it was shot down.

 

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, Trelane said:

Not all US made and used air to air missiles cost that much. No word on what specific munition was used. Likely an AIM-7 Sparrow was used for exactly that reason.

The missile used was an AIM-9X, not an AIM-7 Sparrow. 

[skyeagle409]

11 minutes ago, joc said:

 

Nice video of an intact parachute descending. However, the balloons I am talking about were not weather balloons. Now think for a moment why the F-22 pilots who saw the object said it "interfered with their sensors and had no propulsion system." Clearly, they were not describing a typical weather balloon.

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Essan]

5 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Nice video of an intact parachute descending. However, the balloons I am talking about were not weather balloons. Now think for a moment why the F-22 pilots who saw the object said it "interfered with their sensors and had no propulsion system." Clearly, they were not describing a typical weather balloon.

 

That's because it wasn't a typical weather balloon - it was a pico balloon (no. K9YO-15) belonging to the Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade.   Albeit typical weather balloons also have no propulsion system.

And as to why the debris wasn't recovered - why waste money searching remote territory for scraps of debris from a small amateur radio ham's pico?  What exactly would the point be, assuming anything could be found (the balloon was only 3ft across before it was blown up).   The Chinese spy balloon was, of course, a different matter.

[+joc]

8 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

Nice video of an intact parachute descending. However, the balloons I am talking about were not weather balloons. Now think for a moment why the F-22 pilots who saw the object said it "interfered with their sensors and had no propulsion system." Clearly, they were not describing a typical weather balloon.

 

Sky...I think your mind is muddled with fuzzy memories of past experiences and you have focused on your intent belief being true for so long that you cannot separate your own biases from reality. 

Believe what you want.  I don't really care what you believe or saw or experienced or remember experiencing or researched or dots you have connected ...I just don't care.  I have concluded that your biases are way too strong for you to examine anything with an open mind.  Closed permanently to anything other than your own biased thought process.  

[skyeagle409]

6 hours ago, joc said:

Sky...I think your mind is muddled with fuzzy memories of past experiences and you have focused on your intent belief being true for so long that you cannot separate your own biases from reality. 

Believe what you want.  I don't really care what you believe or saw or experienced or remember experiencing or researched or dots you have connected ...I just don't care.  I have concluded that your biases are way too strong for you to examine anything with an open mind.  Closed permanently to anything other than your own biased thought process.  

You have to understand that I know when to hold 'em and when to throw 'em and I can back up what I say with official documentation and verifiable data from military and intelligence sources that are available to anyone who is interested in acquiring the rest of the story. 

[+joc]

53 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

You have to understand that I know when to hold 'em and when to throw 'em and I can back up what I say with official documentation and verifiable data from military and intelligence sources that are available to anyone who is interested in acquiring the rest of the story. 

You have to understand there's not one astrophysicist that supports any of your conclusions.

[skyeagle409]

11 hours ago, joc said:

You have to understand there's not one astrophysicist that supports any of your conclusions.

Undeniable facts, verifiable data and documentation have confirmed what I have claimed. Now, let's take a look here.

HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER

http://www.nicap.org/true-mc.htm

 

MOTION STUDY

 It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."

http://www.nicap.org/eth/motionstudy_ruppelt_orig.htm

*   "Skeptics, who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon in the name of 'rationalism,' are among the primary contributors to the rejection of science by the public. People are not stupid and they know very well when they have seen something out of the ordinary. When a so-called 'expert' tells them the object must have been the moon or a mirage, he is really teaching the public that science is impotent or unwilling to pursue the study of the unknown."

Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 

*   "What I found was compelling evidence to claim that most of these aerial objects far exceeded the terrestrial technology of the era in which they were seen. I was forced to conclude that there is a great likelihood that Earth is being visited by highly advanced aerospace vehicles under highly 'intelligent' control indeed."

Dr Richard F. Haines-Retired NASA senior research scientist,Research Institute for Advanced Computer Science

*  "There are too many independent eyewitness reports to ignore. Too many of the reports describe coherent physical effects, and there is an agreement among the accounts concerning what was observed... But of course there are also physical effects. The Air Force report [of the F-16 jet scramble incident on the night of March 30-31, 1990] allows us to approach the problem in a rational and scientific way. The simplest hypothesis is that the reports are caused by extraterrestrial visitors, but that hypothesis carries with it other problems. We are not in a rush to form a conclusion, but continue to study the mystery."

Dr. Auguste Meessen, Professor of physics at the Catholic University in Louvain.

* UFOs are picked up by ground and air radar and they have been photographed by gun camera all along.There are so many UFOs in the sky that the air force has had to employ special radar networks to screen them out".

Lee Katchen, NASA atmospheric physicist, June 7th,1968.

* "It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system.There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."

Dr. Herman Oberth (The father of modern rocketry)

* The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled ... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."

Dr. Maurice Biot (leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist)

* "I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light.We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."

President Ronald Reagan (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.)

* Dr. Clyde W. Tombaugh, American astronomer who discovered the planet Pluto. On August 20, 1949, he observed a UFO that appeared as a geometrically arranged group of six-to-eight rectangles of light, window-like in appearance and yellowish-green in color, which moved from northwest to southeast over Las Cruces, New Mexico. He stated:

"I doubt that the phenomenon was any terrestrial reflection, because... nothing of the kind has ever appeared before or since... I was so unprepared for such a strange sight that I was really petrified with astonishment." (The UFO Evidence, ibid.)  

 * Dr. Carl Sagan, Professor of Astronomy and Space Sciences at Cornell University:

"It now seems quite clear that Earth is not the only inhabited planet. There is evidence that the bulk of the stars in the sky have planetary systems. Recent research concerning the origin of life on Earth suggests that the physical and chemical processes leading to the origin of life occur rapidly in the early history of the majority of planets. The selective value of intelligence and technical civilization is obvious, and it seems likely that a large number of planets within our Milky Way galaxy - perhaps as many as a million - are inhabited by technical civilizations in advance of our own. Interstellar space flight is far beyond our present technical capabilities, but there seems to be no fundamental physical objections to preclude, from our own vantage point, the possibility of its development by other civilizations." (Sagan, Carl, "Unidentified Flying Objects," The Encyclopedia Americana, 1963.)  

 * Dr. Frank B. Salisbury, Professor of Plant Physiology at Utah State University:

"I must admit that any favorable mention of the flying saucers by a scientist amounts to extreme heresy and places the one making the statement in danger of excommunication by the scientific theocracy. Nevertheless, in recent years I have investigated the story of the unidentified flying object (UFO), and I am no longer able to dismiss the idea lightly." (Paper on "Exobiology" presented at the First Annual Rocky Mountain Bioengineering Symposium, held at the United States Air Force Academy, in May 1964. Quoted in Fuller, John G., Incident at Exeter, Putnam, 1966.)  

* Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Chairman of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University and scientific consultant for Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969 (Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book).

Over his long career, he made numerous comments about the scientific implications of the UFO phenomenon:

"Despite the seeming inanity of the subject, I felt that I would be derelict in my scientific responsibility to the Air Force if I did not point out that the whole UFO phenomenon might have aspects to it worthy of scientific attention." (Hearings on Unidentified Flying Objects, Committee on Armed Services, House of Representatives, Eighty-ninth Congress, Second Session, 1966.)

"I have begun to feel that there is a tendency in 20th Century science to forget that there will be a 21st Century science, and indeed a 30th Century science, from which vantage points our knowledge of the universe may appear quite different than it does to us. We suffer, perhaps, from temporal provincialism, a form of arrogance that has always irritated posterity." (Hynek, J. Allen, letter to Science magazine, August 1, 1966.)

 UFO Statement by Emile J. Schweicher,
Professor Emeritus at the Belgian Royal Military Academy

Professor Schweicher was interviewed in the German UFO documentary film, “UFOs 2000” (RTL) regarding the Brussels radar UFO incident that involved Belgian Air Force F-16 jet fighters and several radar stations on 30-31 (p.m. into a.m.) March 1990:
"... radar expert Professor Emile J. Schweicher says the following: “The UFO could make right angle turns at constant speeds. That is impossible according to our mechanical laws of motion. I don’t think it’s possible to explain away UFO incidents that involve multiple radar stations by saying that all the radars had the same malfunction at the same time. That’s highly unlikely! There exist different types of radar systems, different sorts of antennas. And the radar antennas orientation towards the UFO were all different. I’m going to get fired – but I’m of the opinion that it’s highly likely that extraterrestrial intelligence is behind the UFO phenomenon!”

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Essan]

54 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Undeniable facts, verifiable data and documentation have confirmed what I have claimed. Now, let's take a look here.

 

 

And what does any of that have to do with the pico balloon the USAF shot down over Canada?

[+joc]

4 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

 "Skeptics, who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon in the name of 'rationalism,' are among the primary contributors to the rejection of science by the public. People are not stupid and they know very well when they have seen something out of the ordinary. When a so-called 'expert' tells them the object must have been the moon or a mirage, he is really teaching the public that science is impotent or unwilling to pursue the study of the unknown."

Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 

Note that:  Dr. Jacques Vallee is not quoted as saying that Aliens are real...and I personally don't know any skeptics who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon.

No one here is denying the 'existence' of unexplained phenomenon.  We are denying the provability of a conclusion that they are Alien.  

Also note that on the entire list only this guy is an 'astrophysicist'.

So, Skyeagle...why don't you complete your list with people who are dog catchers, school teachers, police officers and firemen, or truck drivers?  None of which are astrophysicists.   Your ideas are not oriented in the truth.  They are just oriented in supporting your false proposition. 

[skyeagle409]

5 hours ago, joc said:

Note that:  Dr. Jacques Vallee is not quoted as saying that Aliens are real...and I personally don't know any skeptics who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon. No one here is denying the 'existence' of unexplained phenomenon.  We are denying the provability of a conclusion that they are Alien.  Also note that on the entire list only this guy is an 'astrophysicist'.

So, Skyeagle...why don't you complete your list with people who are dog catchers, school teachers, police officers and firemen, or truck drivers?  None of which are astrophysicists.   Your ideas are not oriented in the truth.  They are just oriented in supporting your false proposition. 

Avi Loeb, is an astrophysics. Seems that you were also unaware that Vallée has suggested a multidimensional visitation hypothesis and you ignored comments from other experts on extraterrestrial visitation as well. Now, why did you ignore them? You might want to take a closer look at Dr. Clyde W. Tombaugh, American astronomer who discovered the planet Pluto. On August 20, 1949, he observed a UFO that appeared as a geometrically arranged group of six-to-eight rectangles of light, window-like in appearance and yellowish-green in color, which moved from northwest to southeast over Las Cruces, New Mexico.

 

[skyeagle409]

9 hours ago, Essan said:

And what does any of that have to do with the pico balloon the USAF shot down over Canada?

Just responding to what JOC posted. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by skyeagle409