Details of secret UFO memo sent to Justin Trudeau revealed

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17 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

10 hours ago, Essan said:

And what does any of that have to do with the pico balloon the USAF shot down over Canada?

16 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Just responding to what JOC posted. 

Here is what I posted:

22 hours ago, joc said:

You have to understand there's not one astrophysicist that supports any of your conclusions.

Your conclusions SkyEagle are that Aliens are here on Earth!  That is your conclusion.  There isn't one Astrophysicist on the planet that is going to conclude that Aliens are here.  They may think it possible but they are NOT going to conclude that Aliens in fact are here and that those blips on radar are proof.  So, please...just shut up already! 

[skyeagle409]

8 hours ago, joc said:

 

Here is what I posted:

Your conclusions SkyEagle are that Aliens are here on Earth!  That is your conclusion. 

Of course it is and once again, you have deliberately overlooked the experts who concur with my extraterrestrial claim. In addition, the data I have been posted is straight-to-the-point in reference to the fact that the data represents alien technology, and remember, I have challenged you and others to prove me wrong by providing man-made evident that refutes my extraterrestrial claim that the data represents alien technology.

To put it simply, no proof of man-made evidence from you and my claim remains unrefuted.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Of course it is and once again, you have deliberately overlooked the experts who concur with my extraterrestrial claim.

Name one Astrophysicist that believes that the blips on radar prove alien life is here.  Just one.

[skyeagle409]

10 minutes ago, joc said:

Name one Astrophysicist that believes that the blips on radar prove alien life is here.  Just one.

That won't work. I already have and I am waiting for you to provide man-made evidence that refutes my claim the data presented represents alien technology. No man-made evidence from you and ET will take another victory lap.

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3 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

That won't work. I already have and I am waiting for you to provide man-made evidence that refutes my claim the data presented represents alien technology. No man-made evidence from you and ET will take another victory lap.

No you have not.  None of those people on the list you presented...not even the astrophysicist said they shared your conclusions.  They said it could be.  They didn't say ...it definitely is.  Where did you go to school?  They should have taught you that you cannot prove a negative.

[skyeagle409]

10 minutes ago, joc said:

No you have not. 

You might want to take a look at Post  #49  BTW, who is Avi Loeb?

 

Edited September 14, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

So we're going into another doom lop of wild speculation and baseless conjecture? Great, just great. *slow golf clapping*

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15 hours ago, skyeagle409 said:

You might want to take a look at Post  #49  BTW, who is Avi Loeb?

 

Okay, I watched the video.  Not one time did he ever say he agreed with your conclusion.  Not once.  He is a Harvard Astrophysicist.  And he did not support your conclusion.  In fact he had no conclusion.  What he said, and I'm paraphrasing, is that it was good to hear what Grolsh said because he was an eye witness.  And so that is better than hearsay.  He also said that if these are technologies then they are not representative of what we possess, otherwise the Navy pilots would be aware of that.  He also said that these could be from other nations or perhaps even from outer space and encouraged us to keep looking and doing research.  Not once SkyEagle did he ever make an assertion that these were definitely without a doubt Alien technologies from outer space.  

In fact I doubt seriously if you would find any astrophysicist who would say  that we know these are not technologies of alien civilizations because we know aliens don't exist.  No astrophysicist would ever say that...because...they don't know.  What they might say is they have no evidence of Alien Civilizations.  They will never say they don't exist because the fact that we are here does allow for the possibility of that.

But nonetheless.  My statement remains correct and will continue to remain correct.  So go play with yourself.  I'm done.

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[skyeagle409]

50 minutes ago, Trelane said:

So we're going into another doom lop of wild speculation and baseless conjecture? Great, just great. *slow golf clapping*

Then, produce your man-made evidence that refutes my extraterrestrial evidence which consist of official documentation and verifiable data from countries around the world. 

[skyeagle409]

21 minutes ago, joc said:

Okay, I watched the video.  Not one time did he ever say he agreed with your conclusion.  Not once.  He is a Harvard Astrophysicist.  And he did not support your conclusion.  In fact he had no conclusion.  What he said, and I'm paraphrasing, is that it was good to hear what Grolsh said because he was an eye witness.  And so that is better than hearsay.  He also said that if these are technologies then they are not representative of what we possess, otherwise the Navy pilots would be aware of that.  He also said that these could be from other nations or perhaps even from outer space and encouraged us to keep looking and doing research.  Not once SkyEagle did he ever make an assertion that these were definitely without a doubt Alien technologies from outer space.  

In fact I doubt seriously if you would find any astrophysicist who would say  that we know these are not technologies of alien civilizations because we know aliens don't exist.  No astrophysicist would ever say that...because...they don't know.  What they might say is they have no evidence of Alien Civilizations.  They will never say they don't exist because the fact that we are here does allow for the possibility of that.

But nonetheless.  My statement remains correct and will continue to remain correct.  So go play with yourself.  I'm done.

Now, for the rest of the story so you can get back on track.

Avi Loeb, the professor who believes in aliens: ‘Who are they to tell me I’m not practicing science?’

He is the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard, with more than 1,000 published research papers and a series of prestigious chairmanships.

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21 minutes ago, skyeagle409 said:

Now, for the rest of the story so you can get back on track.

Avi Loeb, the professor who believes in aliens: ‘Who are they to tell me I’m not practicing science?’

He is the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard, with more than 1,000 published research papers and a series of prestigious chairmanships.

Show me HIS quote please where he says...I believe in Aliens.  Just show me the damn quote or shut up about astrophysicists agreeing with you.  They don't.  I'm guessing you have no clue what astrophysicists think and why.

[quiXilver]

5 minutes ago, joc said:

Show me HIS quote please where he says...I believe in Aliens.  Just show me the damn quote or shut up about astrophysicists agreeing with you.  They don't.  I'm guessing you have no clue what astrophysicists think and why.

Avi Loeb has definitively entered the debate about alien life squarely in the corner of the high likelihood of aliens being present and has proposed a clear direction for a path of scientific inquiry regarding such.  He revealed he's been contacted after his latest two publications by several private billionaire investors who were impressed by his thinking and have offered to back his proposal for study.  There's no need to guess his thoughts on the topic, he's been interviewed in depth and is quite open about his perspective and from where it arose... data.

Put simply, Avi is interested in pursuing science which involves collecting data and seeing where it leads without fretting over the dogma of existing assumptions.  In a recent hour long interview I watched he outlined in detail what brought him to the idea that there may well be evidence available throughout our solar system of alien presence.  In the interview he shared that it was the collection of around a dozen specific oddities regarding observations of the Oumuamua object of 2017 that caused him to sincerely consider the likelihood of an artificial origin of the object which indicates an alien presence in the past and potentially the present in our local system. 

It's quite simple really, no guessing about it, based on observations he's proposed a plan for seeking more data and intends to research the topic in depth.  He has now secured multiple sources for private funding.  His plan as it stands, he shared will take about 10 years to build and institute.  The private backers he said, are 'very committed and quite excited' to pursue his proposal.

[Trelane]

Also....Grusch never said he saw anything firsthand. Unless he's changed that part of his story as well.

[Trelane]

5 minutes ago, quiXilver said:

Avi Loeb has definitively entered the debate about alien life squarely in the corner of the high likelihood of aliens being present and has proposed a clear direction for a path of scientific inquiry regarding such.  He revealed he's been contacted after his latest two publications by several private billionaire investors who were impressed by his thinking and have offered to back his proposal for study.  There's no need to guess his thoughts on the topic, he's been interviewed in depth and is quite open about his perspective and from where it arose... data.

Put simply, Avi is interested in pursuing science which involves collecting data and seeing where it leads without fretting over the dogma of existing assumptions.  In a recent hour long interview I watched he outlined in detail what brought him to the idea that there may well be evidence available throughout our solar system of alien presence.  In the interview he shared that it was the collection of around a dozen specific oddities regarding observations of the Oumuamua object of 2017 that caused him to sincerely consider the likelihood of an artificial origin of the object which indicates an alien presence in the past and potentially the present in our local system. 

It's quite simple really, no guessing about it, based on observations he's proposed a plan for seeking more data and intends to research the topic in depth.  He has now secured multiple sources for private funding.  His plan as it stands, he shared will take about 10 years to build and institute.  The private backers he said, are 'very committed and quite excited' to pursue his proposal.

What data has he presented? What data has he presented that has been forwarded for peer review or analysis, if any? 

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29 minutes ago, quiXilver said:

Avi Loeb has definitively entered the debate about alien life squarely in the corner of the high likelihood of aliens being present and has proposed a clear direction for a path of scientific inquiry regarding such.  He revealed he's been contacted after his latest two publications by several private billionaire investors who were impressed by his thinking and have offered to back his proposal for study.  There's no need to guess his thoughts on the topic, he's been interviewed in depth and is quite open about his perspective and from where it arose... data.

Put simply, Avi is interested in pursuing science which involves collecting data and seeing where it leads without fretting over the dogma of existing assumptions.  In a recent hour long interview I watched he outlined in detail what brought him to the idea that there may well be evidence available throughout our solar system of alien presence.  In the interview he shared that it was the collection of around a dozen specific oddities regarding observations of the Oumuamua object of 2017 that caused him to sincerely consider the likelihood of an artificial origin of the object which indicates an alien presence in the past and potentially the present in our local system. 

It's quite simple really, no guessing about it, based on observations he's proposed a plan for seeking more data and intends to research the topic in depth.  He has now secured multiple sources for private funding.  His plan as it stands, he shared will take about 10 years to build and institute.  The private backers he said, are 'very committed and quite excited' to pursue his proposal.

That he considers it a high possibility is not problematic nor is seeking more data and  researching the topic in depth. That's what astrophysicists do.

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34 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Also....Grusch never said he saw anything firsthand. Unless he's changed that part of his story as well.

Honestly I haven't heard any of the testimony.

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[skyeagle409]

4 hours ago, joc said:

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Ask Neil if those UFOs that Air Force and Navy pilots encountered were conventional aircraft and if he says no, ask him why not? If it is because of the available radar data and eyewitness testimony, then it is case-closed because there are no aircraft of mankind that can perform the maneuvers of the UFOs those pilots encountered and I might add that he knows how to acquire declassified data and documentation that backs what I have been asserting all along. 

In addition, he should interview the pilots involved and radar operators who were tracking those objects, including Senior Chief Operations Specialist Kevin Day, (RADAR) who confirmed that BMD radar systems had detected UAPs in low Earth orbit before descending to 80,000 feet. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7514271/

Question is, why hasn't he already done so?!

[skyeagle409]

7 hours ago, joc said:

Show me HIS quote please where he says...I believe in Aliens.  Just show me the damn quote or shut up about astrophysicists agreeing with you.  They don't.  I'm guessing you have no clue what astrophysicists think and why.

Who was the astrophysicist who said that our solar system was visited by advanced alien technology? Avi Loeb. After all, his comment has made him the center of attention in recent years.

 

 

 

[Trelane]

13 hours ago, joc said:

Honestly I haven't heard any of the testimony.

The matter at hand is he initially reported in his whistleblower statement that another individual whom he implicitly trusts, told him of the extraterrestrial contacts and recovery efforts. Then at the senate hearings he altered parts to make it sound as though he had first hand knowledge. Now, some outlets are simply stating he has firsthand knowledge and never mention his initial whistleblower complaint statement. Also, he was claiming that he was a retired lieutenant Colonel (LTC) but at the hearings it was revealed that he served only 16 years and left active service as a Major (MAJ).  Other details have been altered and/or added since his initial complaint as well.

It is interesting to note that he's gone suspiciously silent since the hearing sand his inconsistencies were noted. 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Trelane

[skyeagle409]

12 hours ago, Trelane said:

The matter at hand is he initially reported in his whistleblower statement that another individual whom he implicitly trusts, told him of the extraterrestrial contacts and recovery efforts. Then at the senate hearings he altered parts to make it sound as though he had first hand knowledge. Now, some outlets are simply stating he has firsthand knowledge and never mention his initial whistleblower complaint statement. Also, he was claiming that he was a retired lieutenant Colonel (LTC) but at the hearings it was revealed that he served only 16 years and left active service as a Major (MAJ).  Other details have been altered and/or added since his initial complaint as well.

It is interesting to note that he's gone suspiciously silent since the hearing sand his inconsistencies were noted. 

Grusch had undergone extensive credibility checks before he was even allowed to appear before Congress and has passed with flying colors because his claims were deemed credible. 

* According to the unclassified complaint, in July 2021, Grusch had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General concerning the withholding of UAP-related information from Congress.

*  The Intelligence Community Inspector General found his complaint “credible and urgent” in July 2022. 

* The complaint was drafted and signed by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grusch’s signature attached to his statement that “I do solemnly affirm under the penalties of perjury that the contents of the foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.”

*   "In accordance with protocols, Grusch provided the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to us. His on-the-record statements were all “cleared for open publication” on April 4 and 6, 2023, in documents provided to us."

*  "Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

* Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. NASIC, headquartered at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is the Department of Defense’s primary Air Force source for foreign air and space threat analysis. Its mission is to “discover and characterize air, space, missile, and cyber threats,” according to the agency’s website. “The center’s team of trusted subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, and analytic capabilities not found elsewhere,” the website states. According to Christopher Mellon, Classified briefings are often presented for Jonathan Grey and his team at NASIC. “High-level, classified briefing materials exist in which real-world scenarios involving UAP, as evidenced by historical examples, are made available to Intelligence Personnel on a need-to-know basis,” he told us. “I have been the recipient of such briefings for almost a decade.” “A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space-based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically in triplicate, to observe and accurately identify the out-of-this-world nature, performance, and design of these anomalous machines, which are then determined not to be of earthly origin,” Grey said. “The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,”  

* Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.“A number of well-placed current and former officials have shared detailed information with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history, governing documents and the location where a craft was allegedly abandoned and recovered,” Mellon said. 

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

Now, I am wondering when the Air Force is going to reveal additional information on the object that interfered with the F-22's sensors. 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by skyeagle409

[Trelane]

Good lord. Nobody ever called his claims being submitted into question. His service was also not called onto question. His story as he has relayed it has come under scrutiny as aspects have now changed. Likewise details of his time in service have been looked at as his initial description of rank and time in service has also been slightly changed. That's what is causing some to stop nd take a good , hard loo at everything he has said or presented. 

The report of "credible and urgent" is affixed to the the fact he reported this to the DoD Whistleblower branch. If you knew anything about it you would understand how reported items are categorized and characterized. That evaluation made it so the senate could move forward with immediate hearings That's all, nothing more. The classified information was only his story. Nothing more. No documents, no wreckage, no map coordinates, nothing.

People reference Mellon talking about General Grey but not ever any statements from Grey himself.  because there are none. He never asserted or insinuated anything about extraterrestrials. Another swing and a miss.

I personally and professionally don't give a hoot about the details in the PHI disclosure. Whoever did that is a scumbag and should be ashamed of trying to assassinate his character for that item. That part of his background doesn't change that he maintained his clearance. However, those changes to his story under oath and previously don't necessarily match up. It causes one to wonder what else could be slightly altered for effect. I personally also think he believes what he says (in some areas) but ultimately there are unfounded claims that neither he nor anyone else can back up with hard, verifiable evidence.