McCarthy directs House to open formal impeachment inquiry into Biden’s involvement in Hunters Deals

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, F3SS said:

It amazes me that these people haven't thought to communicate in a different way. Burner phones at the least. I'm a total nobody and if somebody texts me something off color or inappropriate I delete it immediately and have even told people to not text me certain things anymore. Idk why except that I have this wild idea that anything and everything could somehow, some day be exposed and be used to ruin you. Meanwhile, these people are part of the biggest spotlight in the world and they carry on as if they're total nobodies. It's definitely part stupidity but I think it's mostly hubris.

Or there is no longer any real privacy. 

[Golden Duck]

7 hours ago, and-then said:

The hits just keep on comin'

I'd like to say I'm amazed that hardly a single Left voting person here is willing to admit that all the EVIDENCE points to this guy being criminal scum, but sadly, I can't.  It's just par for the course.  It'd be different if they weren't such clear hypocrites.

Hard hitting Jason Smith  sparring with a wet paper bag.

https://x.com/cspan/status/1707126244662300691?t=mFI1EiuihCPsd8ZgJ1f0_g&s=09

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the whatsapp message you have I believe is dated June 6th 2017. Joe Biden is not vice president or even a candidate for president at that time. So where is the direct connection to some sort of criminal malfeasance within these two pieces of evidence?

Well, I think the facts speak for themselves.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?530759-1/house-ways-means-committee-chair-news-conference-irs-whistleblowers-evidence

[+DieChecker]

9 hours ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

Looks like they needed Joe's help to keep Hunter sober and with a place to stay.

I read the entire thread of messages via a Daily Mail article. Not really new, looks like the article is from May '23. Apparently some Congressional staffer just got around to reading it. I think Jim and Hunter should both be in jail until they learn how to spell, and apparently to pick up phones.

Hunter seems like a bit of a prick.

A little more respect for Slow Joe sticking by the little dbag.

I understand that your kids are your kids. But at the same time if Joe was lying then he was lying. 

I'd probably sell my house to help one if my kids in a super tight spot. So I don't really blame Joe if he did help Hunter.

Lying is not a terrible big deal, unless he does so under oath, like Bill Clinton. Though enough lying while in office could be construed as "disrespect" of the office, and thus actionable.

 

[+DieChecker]

7 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Hard hitting Jason Smith  sparring with a wet paper bag.

https://x.com/cspan/status/1707126244662300691?t=mFI1EiuihCPsd8ZgJ1f0_g&s=09

https://www.c-span.org/video/?530759-1/house-ways-means-committee-chair-news-conference-irs-whistleblowers-evidence

I'd say actions taken outside of Joe's time in office shouldn't really matter.

But, collecting this info DOES help illustrate that the Biden Family didn't have strong walls between each others money. Which has been what Joe's said since 2019. That he's not had any connection to Hunters finances.

I believe prosecutors would call it establishing a pattern of behavior.

[Doc Socks Junior]

16 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I understand that your kids are your kids. But at the same time if Joe was lying then he was lying. 

I can't argue with a tautology. What is Joe lying about here? Did he say that he didn't help his drugged up, broke son with money after The Crackhead had squandered millions?

Does his help of his struggling son count as involvement in Hunter's future deals?

By the way, these texts show the lie in nearly all estimations of Hunter boy's hundreds of millions of dollars in wealth. Do you realize that?

16 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I'd probably sell my house to help one if my kids in a super tight spot. So I don't really blame Joe if he did help Hunter.

Lying is not a terrible big deal, unless he does so under oath, like Bill Clinton. Though enough lying while in office could be construed as "disrespect" of the office, and thus actionable.

I would completely agree with you in a perfect world. In our world? Hard to see anyone in office telling the truth.

I guess anything can be actionable, but I would be surprised if that tack worked effectively in a bipartisan way. Which is a shame. I'd enjoy if the two chambers came together and slapped down presidents as they lied.

[+DieChecker]

12 minutes ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

I can't argue with a tautology. What is Joe lying about here?

About his knowledge of, and participation in, Hunter's finances. He's said many times, starting in 2019, that he has zero knowledge and participation in Hunter's finances. Says he simply doesn't know anything. But, these messages, emails, and IRS employee testimony, seem to indicate he did... he does...

Which, like I said, is not strictly a crime, but could be used by the House to say he's disrespecting his office, and thus allow impeachment proceedings.

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Did he say that he didn't help his drugged up, broke son with money after The Crackhead had squandered millions?

Does his help of his struggling son count as involvement in Hunter's future deals?

Nope. Not at all. But it, and other info, indicates there's not hard walls between the family finances.

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By the way, these texts show the lie in nearly all estimations of Hunter boy's hundreds of millions of dollars in wealth. Do you realize that?

AFAIK the hundreds of millions is recent in nature. Mostly due to estimates of his possessions, specifically art. Some of which he made himself.

Obviously when he was living with, and banging, his brothers wife, she was supporting his drugged up self. So his money was gone by then.

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I would completely agree with you in a perfect world. In our world? Hard to see anyone in office telling the truth.

I guess anything can be actionable, but I would be surprised if that tack worked effectively in a bipartisan way. Which is a shame. I'd enjoy if the two chambers came together and slapped down presidents as they lied.

I'd prefer bipartisanship too, but since the Obama administration the House and Senate have voted almost entirely along political lines on major bills. Very sad that there's no middle ground anymore in politics.

[Doc Socks Junior]

23 hours ago, DieChecker said:

About his knowledge of, and participation in, Hunter's finances. He's said many times, starting in 2019, that he has zero knowledge and participation in Hunter's finances. Says he simply doesn't know anything. But, these messages, emails, and IRS employee testimony, seem to indicate he did... he does...

I've seen quotes about not being involved in Hunter boy's business deals, which so far has seemed strictly true although Hunter was certainly manipulating the situation. He also said Hunter made no money from China, which was clearly false. Joe probably wishes he had checked with Hunter about that statement....too bad he couldn't!! Hah.

What I haven't seen is "zero knowledge and participation in Hunter's finances". I understand that a direct quote with those words probably doesn't exist. But has Darth Tater really said something of that equivalent? 

Given that he was clearly supporting The Crackhead at a really low point, that seems obviously wrong.

Judging from the texts between Hunter and Jim, I'd take Hunter's messages with a grain of salt.

23 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Which, like I said, is not strictly a crime, but could be used by the House to say he's disrespecting his office, and thus allow impeachment proceedings.

Sure. But that's a rather loose standard. I think the House could impeach any president on those grounds with pretty flimsy justification....sounds familiar, in fact....

23 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Nope. Not at all. But it, and other info, indicates there's not hard walls between the family finances.

That's usually the way of family finances. I care if Joe was divvying up the millions from Ukraine, not if Joe was supporting his drug-addicted son or receiving a lavish Christmas gift from him or something.

23 hours ago, DieChecker said:

AFAIK the hundreds of millions is recent in nature. Mostly due to estimates of his possessions, specifically art. Some of which he made himself.

The pseudo-estimates rely on pre-2019 things, which it's pretty clear was squandered. Also various properties and material assets that don't seem to be real.

I thought we had dispensed with believing in those.

23 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Obviously when he was living with, and banging, his brothers wife, she was supporting his drugged up self. So his money was gone by then.

He's just very Biblical, I think, but didn't realize his actions weren't necessary since Beau already had children.

Hah. Yeah, Hunter is a weird dude.

23 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I'd prefer bipartisanship too, but since the Obama administration the House and Senate have voted almost entirely along political lines on major bills. Very sad that there's no middle ground anymore in politics.

#NotAllCongress

But most, yes. It's disappointing to me too.

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, Doc Socks Junior said:

I've seen quotes about not being involved in Hunter boy's business deals, which so far has seemed strictly true although Hunter was certainly manipulating the situation. He also said Hunter made no money from China, which was clearly false. Joe probably wishes he had checked with Hunter about that statement....too bad he couldn't!! Hah.

So, then it comes down to, was he lying? Purposely ignorant? Or going senile so he believes his own stories (Corn Pop)...

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What I haven't seen is "zero knowledge and participation in Hunter's finances". I understand that a direct quote with those words probably doesn't exist. But has Darth Tater really said something of that equivalent?

That's something I thought I'd heard. And I've been looking on the internet for the last couple days. But have not found yet. 

He said he didn't discuss business with Hunter, but I've not found where he denies financial gain from sources unknown. It might have been Jean-Pierre who said something along those lines. I'll keep looking...

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Sure. But that's a rather loose standard. I think the House could impeach any president on those grounds with pretty flimsy justification....sounds familiar, in fact....

It is a loose standard IMHO. I've often said it needs to be tightened up. I'd like to see real crimes be the reason of such. And not just a majority in the House. But a 2/3 like in the Senate.

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That's usually the way of family finances. I care if Joe was divvying up the millions from Ukraine, not if Joe was supporting his drug-addicted son or receiving a lavish Christmas gift from him or something.

True to a degree. But, if I remember right, Joe and Hunter have both participated in paying each others bills, mortgages, and other debts. Which other families might do too. But not all such families are receiving wires of a hundred thousand dollars from Totalitarian China, or Russia. And if they did, you'd expect "Dad" to know about it.

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The pseudo-estimates rely on pre-2019 things, which it's pretty clear was squandered. Also various properties and material assets that don't seem to be real.

I thought we had dispensed with believing in those.

I thought I read he'd given several million in art to his newly claimed/supported daughter in Arkansas? Doesn't that show he has an art (money) stockpile yet?

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It was one of HIS paintings...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12248509/amp/Hunters-four-year-old-daughter-wont-Biden-one-paintings-settlement.html

So value is... debatable...

Got his child support reduced from 20k per month to 5k. Because... it suggests he's nearly broke.

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He's just very Biblical, I think, but didn't realize his actions weren't necessary since Beau already had children.

Hah. Yeah, Hunter is a weird dude.

I got a snort out of that. 

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#NotAllCongress

But most, yes. It's disappointing to me too.

True. Not all, but seemingly many. One gets away with something, and they all pile on, doing the same.

Edited September 29, 2023 by DieChecker

[jmccr8]

On 9/27/2023 at 6:51 PM, DieChecker said:

I'd just say the silence is deafening. The custom on UM is to defend your guy till they're undefendable. Then go silent as the evidence continues to pile up. Refusing to engage in the lost thread/discussion.  

Hi Die

Not sure he has supporters in the same sense that Trump does. Many here have already said that if he has broken laws that he should be prosecuted. He got elected because he wasn't Trump and if he is dirty then do the same thing when he has no executive influence as president.

[Doc Socks Junior]

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

So, then it comes down to, was he lying? Purposely ignorant? Or going senile so he believes his own stories (Corn Pop)...

Those are options. I suppose you mean about China. He was wrong. If I had to guess I'd say purposely ignorant. I don't think that's much better than lying. Not a good strategy for him.

Ironically enough, Corn Pop actually was real.

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

That's something I thought I'd heard. And I've been looking on the internet for the last couple days. But have not found yet. 

He said he didn't discuss business with Hunter, but I've not found where he denies financial gain from sources unknown. It might have been Jean-Pierre who said something along those lines. I'll keep looking...

I've poked around a bit and come up empty on it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, obviously, but it might mean we want to be careful.

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

It is a loose standard IMHO. I've often said it needs to be tightened up. I'd like to see real crimes be the reason of such. And not just a majority in the House. But a 2/3 like in the Senate.

Supermajority rules have some good uses. But I think in fact they're less useful right now because party lines are so distinct and so much splits right along them. That being said, I don't know what the right answer is here

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

True to a degree. But, if I remember right, Joe and Hunter have both participated in paying each others bills, mortgages, and other debts. Which other families might do too. But not all such families are receiving wires of a hundred thousand dollars from Totalitarian China, or Russia. And if they did, you'd expect "Dad" to know about it.

This could be true. Certainly seems true that Joe was paying some of Hunter's way while he was all coked(?) up and broke. I'd believe that Hunter wrote a few checks for Dark Brandon as well.

If I wrote a check for one of my Pop's mortgage payments, I don't know if he'd hassle me for the provenance. Then again, I'm not involved in Eastern European finances and my dad isn't the vice President.

This also makes me think, isn't Hunter receiving this money from China while he is still to all appearances and his own text messages, flat broke and living off his Dad's charity? What a loser.

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I thought I read he'd given several million in art to his newly claimed/supported daughter in Arkansas? Doesn't that show he has an art (money) stockpile yet?

EDIT......

It was one of HIS paintings...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12248509/amp/Hunters-four-year-old-daughter-wont-Biden-one-paintings-settlement.html

So value is... debatable...

Haha, yes. I was chuckling when I read that back when it happened. I guess the painting has a good story....

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Got his child support reduced from 20k per month to 5k. Because... it suggests he's nearly broke.

Yep. Hence, I don't think he's rolling in dough.

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I got a snort out of that. 

I'm a little proud of that zinger.

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

True. Not all, but seemingly many. One gets away with something, and they all pile on, doing the same.

I do dislike this slippery slope politics.