Breaking: Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico congress

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, Tom1200 said:

Congratulations... on picking the one figurine (out of 15,000) that suits your argument.   Of course you could have picked

 or  or  or  but they wouldn't do much for your increasingly strained argument.  So fact-check: most ancient Japanese dogu figurines look nothing like those Peruvian figurines. 

I believe I've read a lot about these statues in the writings of Erich von Däniken. Very popular 50 years ago. Said much the same things about them being aliens. 

[Unusual Tournament]

4 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Well. I don't think they needed to patch the skull together. Just needed to knock off the bits they didn't want. And as it says the skull was so deteriorated that it was very thin in several places. But then how did the soft tissues remain? Does bone deteriorate when skin does not? And it doesn't seem the finger/body bones have deteriorated. Hum?

The features are on the back of the skull, because that gave the elongated skull appearance, with a "face" on the flatter back. The mouth is where the spine would have entered the braincase. The x-rays seem to suggest the eyes were huge, but nearly flat. 

I'd point out that this need not have been made (though it possibly was) hundreds of years ago, but was made with preserved materials.

I've seem fake ancient documents, where the papyrus was real, and ancient, but the writing on it was modern. Same with parchment. Fakers use ancient parts/ingredients, and it can fool a C14 test.

It is interesting to me that the ancient Nazca civilization dissolved around 800 years ago, and mining in the area was a couple hundred years ago, and the diatoms in the mine are millions of years old, but the mummies are 1000 years old...

So after the Nazca, and before the Incas. Found in a modern mine, but preserved because of the product in the mine. If they are 1000 years old, where were they most of that time, when it's said it was the mine that preserved them? Unless the mine is ancient also, but I've not seen anyone even suggesting this.

If it had been me, I'd have made a better backstory. Maybe that they were found by conquistadors and placed in a cave, along with Spanish artifacts. Less loose ends.

This is the problem. Since you haven’t provided a link, I’m assuming the post you made is made from your reasoning. That’s fine, but not exactly correct since the only tests that have been conducted on the mummies have been by a hospital and doctors that say differently. 
 

That is: no signs of tampering and the skeletons are intact. Meaning you postulate a llamas head without discussing the rest of the skeleton. 

[Unusual Tournament]

15 minutes ago, moonman said:

You need to get your eyes checked. One of them doesn't even have arms FFS. Another has five fingers, one four or five, and one might have three, possibly four.

You wonder why no one takes you seriously when you can't even count.

Yes, the majority of the Dogu figurines do have 3 fingers some do not and all fall into roughly 4 slightly different categories. 
 

Another interesting fact is the Dogu are all basically humanoid. Just like the Maussan mummies.
 

Yes I have checked my eyes. Thank you for your concern. You should check yours too. Look I’m holding up a finger … which one do you think it is?

Edited September 22, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[+DieChecker]

Just now, Unusual Tournament said:

This is the problem. Since you haven’t provided a link, I’m assuming the post you made is made from your reasoning. That’s fine, but not exactly correct since the only tests that have been conducted on the mummies have been by a hospital and doctors that say differently. 
 

That is: no signs of tampering and the skeletons are intact. Meaning you postulate a llamas head without discussing the rest of the skeleton. 

Actually, what I said is based on the links and videos I've already posted. 

These were "found" in 2017, and have been tested numerous times. X-rays and CT scans in 2019, I believe. Full workup by the Peruvian government. Genetic testing done in 2019, 2020 and 2021. All of which showed 100% human. I've read the DNA reports. Posted a link earlier.

The "research" done last week was a media spectacle, meant to influence people who didn't know better, and weren't going to go online and look around.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

Actually, what I said is based on the links and videos I've already posted. 

These were "found" in 2017, and have been tested numerous times. X-rays and CT scans in 2019, I believe. Full workup by the Peruvian government. Genetic testing done in 2019, 2020 and 2021. All of which showed 100% human. I've read the DNA reports. Posted a link earlier.

The "research" done last week was a media spectacle, meant to influence people who didn't know better, and weren't going to go online and look around.

Must have missed them. Post the links again,?please

[moonman]

23 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Yes, the majority of the Dogu figurines do have 3 fingers some do not and all fall into roughly 4 slightly different categories. 
 

Another interesting fact is the Dogu are all basically humanoid. Just like the Maussan mummies.
 

Yes I have checked my eyes. Thank you for your concern. You should check yours too. Look I’m holding up a finger … which one do you think it is?

That went from "all of them" to "no wait most of them" PDQ.

Is it your pinky because you are dainty? Must be.

[Unusual Tournament]

4 minutes ago, moonman said:

That went from "all of them" to "no wait most of them" PDQ.

Is it your pinky because you are dainty? Must be.

You should spin on it

[Unusual Tournament]

A specialist in the ancient cultures of Japan, Vaughn M. Greene, devoted many years to the study of Great Dane figures. The result was his book The XNUMX-year-old spacesuit. Green pays attention to all the unusual details that are identical to today's astronaut outfit, and importantly, he emphasizes that the Japanese in the Epic of Jomon also made a large number of other figures with evidently human features from clay.

Green also cites examples from Japanese mythology, which tell of the years of various objects behind the clouds and the sons of heaven. The Japanese also have a legend about a fire dragon flying from the sky, in which there are clear echoes of memories of ancient interstellar ships. In addition, the researcher finds agreement between the words dogu a Dogoni, the name of an African tribe whose legends say that visitors to space visited the Earth five thousand years ago.
 

https://en.suenee.cz/jsou-japonske-sosky-dogu-pozdravem-od-mimozemstanu/

[Nicolette]

10 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

From the very site you posted

 

Some points supporting them being real:

"They are biological in nature. At the available resolution of the CT-scanning, no manipulation of Josephina’s skull can be detected. The density of the face bones matches very well the density of the rest of the skull. No seams with glues, etc. are obvious, and the whole skull forms one unit."

"The skull as a unit is made of thin to very thin bone, which is greatly deteriorated all over. Especially deteriorated is the lower part, which gives the impression of decomposed bone in such a scale that - in places - it cannot keep its original form without the support of the external skin. This indirectly attests to the great age of the find or to bad conditions of preservation."

"No similarities could be identified between Josephina’s mouth plates to any skeleton part..."

"There are also features on Josephina’s skull like the orbital fissure and the optic canal, similar to the llama’s, that are however on the opposite site of the skull than where they should be, forcing one to accept that the skull of Josephina is a modified llama braincase." ––– this is important as they stated before this that they didn't find any examples of manipulation, like "seams", etc. Which kills a large chunk of the argument of it being a Llama braincase, in my personal opinion.

"One can also assume that the finds are archaeological in nature, judging from the age estimation of the metal implant present in Josephina’s chest..."

and finally:

"Based on the above, if one is convinced that the finds constitute a fabrication, one has to admit at the same time that the finds are constructions of very high quality and wonder how these were produced hundreds of year ago (based on the C14 test), or even today, with primitive technology and poor means available to huaqueros, the tomb raiders of Peru."

No point in entertaining it they don't really care about the facts or they wouldn't keep skipping them over just to make things up to fit what they want to believe. They think its always an argument and that people interested in figuring out what it is believe whatever dumb crap they assign to them but you can only point out the base facts so many times to people that refuse to accept them because of what they think it must mean and are afraid of.

[Nicolette]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Actually, what I said is based on the links and videos I've already posted. 

These were "found" in 2017, and have been tested numerous times. X-rays and CT scans in 2019, I believe. Full workup by the Peruvian government. Genetic testing done in 2019, 2020 and 2021. All of which showed 100% human. I've read the DNA reports. Posted a link earlier.

The "research" done last week was a media spectacle, meant to influence people who didn't know better, and weren't going to go online and look around.

I can't keep up with it. Are you saying they are llamas or %100 human or entirely fake and the peruvian government is mad about thier stolen lawn ornament? it just keeps changing.

[moonman]

46 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

You should spin on it

Ain't no spin left bro, you used it all up on posting the same rehashed garbage article three times.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, Nicolette said:

No point in entertaining it they don't really care about the facts or they wouldn't keep skipping them over just to make things up to fit what they want to believe. They think its always an argument and that people interested in figuring out what it is believe whatever dumb crap they assign to them but you can only point out the base facts so many times to people that refuse to accept them because of what they think it must mean and are afraid of.

Yeah isn’t that weird. Join a forum discussion only to be incapable of accepting facts. It’s a riddle alright

[Nicolette]

2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Along with frontal cranium protrusions, notice how all the figurines have 3 fingers … just like Maussan’s mummies 

I imagine it would look different alive but those figurines do look a lot like that mummy! It is pretty silly that people with eyes could pretend it looks more like a dwarf anthropomorphic llama that inexplicably lost most of its skull without an entry point. That face definitely has the right brow ridge.

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

I believe I've read a lot about these statues in the writings of Erich von Däniken. Very popular 50 years ago. Said much the same things about them being aliens. 

I guess we can't give our ancestors artistic license.

 

[Dejarma]

24 minutes ago, Nicolette said:

No point in entertaining it they don't really care about the facts

What facts are you referring to? Just out of interest 

[Trelane]

This article is exactly what is needed amid the nonsense being proposed. 

"Alleged Alien Corpses Displayed to Mexican Congress Did Not Convince Scientists"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alleged-aliens-corpses-displayed-to-mexican-congress-did-not-convince-scientists-180982900/

“These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence,” Antígona Segura, one of Mexico’s top astrobiologists, tells Simon Romero of the New York Times. “The whole thing is very shameful.” 

"Maussan said researchers at the National Autonomous University of Mexico used carbon dating to determine the remains are about 1,000 years old. Scientists with the university have distanced themselves from Maussan’s testimony, saying they were not involved in collecting the sample, nor did they come in contact with the full specimens. 

“In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples,” the university’s National Laboratory of Mass Spectrometry With Accelerators said in a statement first released in 2017, per the Times. 

Also....

"In 2015, Maussan similarly revealed a body that he claimed belonged to an alien, but it was later shown to be the remains of a human child. And two years later, he participated in a video project claiming that specimens uncovered in Nazca, Peru, with elongated skulls and three fingers on each hand were evidence of aliens. Archaeologists said some of the bodies may have been Indigenous Peruvians, mutilated to look extraterrestrial, wrote Christopher Heaney for the Atlantic in 2017. And a report from Peru’s prosecutor’s office declared the specimens were “recently manufactured dolls, which have been covered with a mixture of paper and synthetic glue to simulate the presence of skin,” per Megan Janetsky of the Associated Press."

 

Those are established facts. Game, set and match. Have a great Friday evening everyone! 

[Antigonos]

11 minutes ago, Trelane said:

This article is exactly what is needed amid the nonsense being proposed. 

"Alleged Alien Corpses Displayed to Mexican Congress Did Not Convince Scientists"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alleged-aliens-corpses-displayed-to-mexican-congress-did-not-convince-scientists-180982900/

“These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence,” Antígona Segura, one of Mexico’s top astrobiologists, tells Simon Romero of the New York Times. “The whole thing is very shameful.” 

"Maussan said researchers at the National Autonomous University of Mexico used carbon dating to determine the remains are about 1,000 years old. Scientists with the university have distanced themselves from Maussan’s testimony, saying they were not involved in collecting the sample, nor did they come in contact with the full specimens. 

“In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples,” the university’s National Laboratory of Mass Spectrometry With Accelerators said in a statement first released in 2017, per the Times. 

Also....

"In 2015, Maussan similarly revealed a body that he claimed belonged to an alien, but it was later shown to be the remains of a human child. And two years later, he participated in a video project claiming that specimens uncovered in Nazca, Peru, with elongated skulls and three fingers on each hand were evidence of aliens. Archaeologists said some of the bodies may have been Indigenous Peruvians, mutilated to look extraterrestrial, wrote Christopher Heaney for the Atlantic in 2017. And a report from Peru’s prosecutor’s office declared the specimens were “recently manufactured dolls, which have been covered with a mixture of paper and synthetic glue to simulate the presence of skin,” per Megan Janetsky of the Associated Press."

 

Those are established facts. Game, set and match. Have a great Friday evening everyone! 

Well done 

[Dejarma]

15 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Those are established facts. Game, set and match. Have a great Friday evening everyone! 

Oh Trelane, you've done it again! You're soo selfish mate- you may have closed this thread? Don't ya just love Jaime Maussan

I'm a little grieved with you because I love watching strange deluded individuals sifting through the puss evidence trying to make it fit around their fantasies.

But ha, no worries- I'm sure the bleeding obvious wont stop em & the mild form of entertainment it will carry on== oh joy

[Antigonos]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

Oh Trelane, you've done it again! You're soo selfish mate- you may have closed this thread? Don't ya just love Jaime Maussan

I'm a little grieved with you because I love watching strange deluded individuals sifting through the puss evidence trying to make it fit around their fantasies.

But ha, no worries- I'm sure the bleeding obvious wont stop em & the mild form of entertainment it will carry on== oh joy

This need to not only embrace but defend to the last breath proven outright hoaxes is almost religious in its blind zeal.  Bizarre. 
 

 

Edited September 22, 2023 by Antigonos

[Unusual Tournament]

Monkeys see, monkeys do 

[Dejarma]

2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Monkeys see, monkeys do 

what the fek does that mean? grow up

Edited September 22, 2023 by Dejarma

[Unusual Tournament]

41 minutes ago, Trelane said:

This article is exactly what is needed amid the nonsense being proposed. 

"Alleged Alien Corpses Displayed to Mexican Congress Did Not Convince Scientists"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alleged-aliens-corpses-displayed-to-mexican-congress-did-not-convince-scientists-180982900/

“These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence,” Antígona Segura, one of Mexico’s top astrobiologists, tells Simon Romero of the New York Times. “The whole thing is very shameful.” 

"Maussan said researchers at the National Autonomous University of Mexico used carbon dating to determine the remains are about 1,000 years old. Scientists with the university have distanced themselves from Maussan’s testimony, saying they were not involved in collecting the sample, nor did they come in contact with the full specimens. 

“In no case do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples,” the university’s National Laboratory of Mass Spectrometry With Accelerators said in a statement first released in 2017, per the Times. 

Also....

"In 2015, Maussan similarly revealed a body that he claimed belonged to an alien, but it was later shown to be the remains of a human child. And two years later, he participated in a video project claiming that specimens uncovered in Nazca, Peru, with elongated skulls and three fingers on each hand were evidence of aliens. Archaeologists said some of the bodies may have been Indigenous Peruvians, mutilated to look extraterrestrial, wrote Christopher Heaney for the Atlantic in 2017. And a report from Peru’s prosecutor’s office declared the specimens were “recently manufactured dolls, which have been covered with a mixture of paper and synthetic glue to simulate the presence of skin,” per Megan Janetsky of the Associated Press."

 

Those are established facts. Game, set and match. Have a great Friday evening everyone! 

Oh Trelane … whatever. Your article only says one thing. 
 

That is the wider scientific community does not believe these are real aliens, and are not interested because they don’t believe in aliens. 
 

 

[Dejarma]

7 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

That is the wider scientific community does not believe these are real aliens, and are not interested because they don’t believe in aliens. 

this reply is like a bible basher ending involvement in a conversation when trying to justify a god related ridiculousness with: 'well god works in mysterious ways'

brilliant mate! well done......

don't leave it that, please carry on 

[Antigonos]

6 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

this reply is like a bible basher ending involvement in a conversation when trying to justify a god related ridiculousness with: 'well god works in mysterious ways'

brilliant mate! well done......

don't leave it that, please carry on 

Yes. Scientists, like exo-biologists for example,  don’t believe in aliens. 

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, Nicolette said:

I can't keep up with it. Are you saying they are llamas or %100 human or entirely fake and the peruvian government is mad about thier stolen lawn ornament? it just keeps changing.

That's exactly right. The skin and most of the bones are 100% human. Proven by four seperate DNA tests. And the skull is from a llama that's been hand crafted to look as it does.

Peru is indeed mad that these have been stolen.

I've said these things three or four times now. 

I'll repost all my links/videos later today in one post.

Edited September 23, 2023 by DieChecker