Golden Duck Posted September 28, 2023 #476 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 9:20 AM, papageorge1 said: Sure it’s a paleontologist’s analysis and it’s something I consider. How do you know the author is a paleontologist? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted September 29, 2023 #477 Share Posted September 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Tom1200 said: Did the hoaxers have access to the 'real' things? If so why did they have to make fakes? Exactly. They'll be caught eventually 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted September 29, 2023 #478 Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 hours ago, DieChecker said: Because they are pre-disposed to agree. In this case here, I bet a few $$$'s could set the tone of the disposition 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 29, 2023 #479 Share Posted September 29, 2023 18 hours ago, Tom1200 said: Let me get this right? We all finally agree that the previous nonsense (2017?) WAS a hoax. Is anyone here still disputing that? But this time round something virtually identical in external appearance is legit? So... can you explain how the 2017 hoaxers knew that years later real, genuine, authentic, oh-no-not-at-all-faked alien mummies would appear in pretty much the same circumstances and look almost exactly the same? OK, here's my best understanding through all the smoke. The fraud that Maussan was championing was a totally different case from these Nazca mummies. It was some cobbled together supposed alien. Maussan was taken in by the hoax unknowingly and later admitted when scientific investigations showed manufacturing. Maussan never intentionally deceived. I don't know the year off hand. The Nazca mummies included ceremonial manufactured lookalikes for perhaps religious cult reasons (speculated). I do not see any indication that Maussan claimed these smaller lookalikes were genuine. He did claim the larger ones seem to be genuine and that position is being held up as true now by several experts at least. The initial fraud claim seems to be supported in the case of the smaller ceremonial mummies and no one seems to be disputing that. The evaluation of these smaller mummies showing manufacturing is what the skeptics are trumpeting in this thread. And in any case these manufactured ones were created by ancient pre-Columbian people and not modern hoaxers. There is my best understanding. That's my best understanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 29, 2023 #480 Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 hours ago, DieChecker said: My opinion is either... 1. Maussan is a True Believer, and has found other True Believers in fields/positions that are helpful to his case to do tests, and witnesses. Or... 2. MONEY!! My opinion: There's too much technical analysis by too many professional people who would not want their careers wasted and ruined for what money?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 29, 2023 #481 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Golden Duck said: How do you know the author is a paleontologist? Here's some of Cliff Miles paleontological work Edited September 29, 2023 by papageorge1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted September 29, 2023 #482 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, papageorge1 said: My opinion: There's too much technical analysis by too many professional people who would not want their careers wasted and ruined for what money?? The number of people ruined by money is beyond easy counting. I know a guy that was a Church Treasurer, who stole church money so he could have a bigger house. For several decades. To meet the guy, he was a professional, well off, family man, intelligent and skilled at math. Yet the money corrupted him and he went to great lengths to cover up his stealing. And that's just ten thousand or so per year. Imagine getting hundreds of thousands as part of some deal involving aliens bodies. Maussan could easily be completely broke, and this is his one chance to make the big score. Paying off co-conspirators might mean making these aliens real be a necessity. Or he might just disappear. Such happens all too regularly in Mexico and in Peru. It could very well make a good mystery movie. With him promising money for testimony, but having only the intention of keeping all the profits for himself. Historically he's not seemed to be in it for money. Though money would come if his projects were completed, and his aliens proven real. Greed has driven better men to do worse. Edited September 29, 2023 by DieChecker 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted September 29, 2023 #483 Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 hours ago, papageorge1 said: My opinion: There's too much technical analysis by too many professional people who would not want their careers wasted and ruined for what money?? Who are these professionals? The vast scientific community that specialize in these sorts of items have already denounced them as hoaxes and a scummy publicity hunt. Who are these professionals that are putting their credibility on the line? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 29, 2023 #484 Share Posted September 29, 2023 10 hours ago, DieChecker said: The number of people ruined by money is beyond easy counting. I know a guy that was a Church Treasurer, who stole church money so he could have a bigger house. For several decades. To meet the guy, he was a professional, well off, family man, intelligent and skilled at math. Yet the money corrupted him and he went to great lengths to cover up his stealing. And that's just ten thousand or so per year. Imagine getting hundreds of thousands as part of some deal involving aliens bodies. Maussan could easily be completely broke, and this is his one chance to make the big score. Paying off co-conspirators might mean making these aliens real be a necessity. Or he might just disappear. Such happens all too regularly in Mexico and in Peru. It could very well make a good mystery movie. With him promising money for testimony, but having only the intention of keeping all the profits for himself. Historically he's not seemed to be in it for money. Though money would come if his projects were completed, and his aliens proven real. Greed has driven better men to do worse. I give your scenario a below 1% chance with the people involved. And what money? And high likelihood now for the genuine scenario all things considered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 29, 2023 #485 Share Posted September 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Trelane said: Who are these professionals? The vast scientific community that specialize in these sorts of items have already denounced them as hoaxes and a scummy publicity hunt. Who are these professionals that are putting their credibility on the line? I think you got your mummies confused. Perhaps intentionally I suspect. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted September 29, 2023 #486 Share Posted September 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: I think you got your mummies confused. Perhaps intentionally I suspect. No, I am asking you since you claimed "professionals" are putting their credibility on the line. Who are these professionals? What are their qualifications that make them professionals? As you stated previously, 17 hours ago, papageorge1 said: My opinion: There's too much technical analysis by too many professional people who would not want their careers wasted and ruined for what money?? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 29, 2023 #487 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Trelane said: No, I am asking you since you claimed "professionals" are putting their credibility on the line. Who are these professionals? What are their qualifications that make them professionals? As you stated previously, Well start from the OP video and work forward through the discussion. I’m not about to verify their credentials. Too time consuming. I’m giving my general impression of the situation. The network of hoaxers from Gaia scientists to university people is getting hard to swallow. Edited September 29, 2023 by papageorge1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted September 29, 2023 #488 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: I’m giving my general impression of the situation. which is very entertaining- folk with your kinda perception of the data put forward within the: 'ufo/ aliens on this planet & the supernatural' is what keeps me looking through the posts....thanks for your time Edited September 29, 2023 by Dejarma 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 1, 2023 #489 Share Posted October 1, 2023 https://irna-fr.translate.goog/Le-clou-dans-le-cercueil-des-momies-de-Nazca.html?_x_tr_sl=fr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp From post 212 by Swede: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/340180-there-was-no-advanced-ancient-civilization/page/9/#comment-7177816 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted November 8, 2023 #490 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Mexican Congress holds second UFO session featuring Peruvian mummies MSN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted November 8, 2023 #491 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) Oh well now, I guess that settles it.🤣 I still want to see what independent studies from other scientists has to say about these items. I'm not buying anything from that scummy fraud Maussan or any person he's paying to swear to his lies. Another nothing burger. Edited November 8, 2023 by Trelane 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted November 8, 2023 #492 Share Posted November 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, Trelane said: Oh well now, I guess that settles it.🤣 I still want to see what independent studies from other scientists has to say about these items. I'm not buying anything from that scummy fraud Maussan or any person he's paying to swear to his lies. Another nothing burger. Anthropologist Roger Zuniga of San Luis Gonzaga National University in Ica Peru said researchers had studied five similar specimens over four years. "They're real," Zuniga told Reuters on the sidelines of the session. "There was absolutely no human intervention in the physical and biological formation of these beings," he added, saying he didn't know the origin of the beings. Zuniga presented a letter signed by 11 researchers from the university declaring the same. The letter made clear, however, they were not implying the bodies were "extraterrestrial". https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-congress-holds-second-ufo-session-featuring-peruvian-mummies-2023-11-08/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted November 8, 2023 #493 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Eldorado said: Anthropologist Roger Zuniga of San Luis Gonzaga National University in Ica Peru said researchers had studied five similar specimens over four years. "They're real," Zuniga told Reuters on the sidelines of the session. "There was absolutely no human intervention in the physical and biological formation of these beings," he added, saying he didn't know the origin of the beings. Zuniga presented a letter signed by 11 researchers from the university declaring the same. The letter made clear, however, they were not implying the bodies were "extraterrestrial". https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-congress-holds-second-ufo-session-featuring-peruvian-mummies-2023-11-08/ Yeah I know. He was the same guy who swore to their authenticity before as well as the other unnamed "researchers". Maussan ad Zuniga still sidestep questions about independent examination and study. Until these statements can be studied independently and verified, I'm still calling it another Maussan hoax and publicity stunt. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted November 8, 2023 #494 Share Posted November 8, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Eldorado said: Mexican Congress holds second UFO session featuring Peruvian mummies MSN Now we have another string of doctors saying these are genuine specimens. I've lost track of all the experts that have weighed in on these larger specimens. It sounds like 11 scientists/doctors from a prestigious university this time. The skeptics have locked in on the smaller manufactured specimens as being the end of the story. Nobody is doubting those are manufactured. But these larger specimens are the real deal. Speculation is that the smaller look-alikes were entombed along with the larger ones for some cult/ceremonial reasons. Papameter Reading 95% Genuine 5% Manufactured Edited November 8, 2023 by papageorge1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted November 8, 2023 Author #495 Share Posted November 8, 2023 During a Congress hearing in Mexico on Tuesday, researchers declared that the previously displayed three-fingered Peruvian mummies were authentic. However, they cautiously steered away from certifying the remains' extraterrestrial origins. https://www.wionews.com/world/mexican-congress-deems-three-fingered-mummies-real-but-refrains-from-confirming-alien-origins-656555/amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted November 8, 2023 #496 Share Posted November 8, 2023 45 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Now we have another string of doctors saying these are genuine specimens. I've lost track of all the experts that have weighed in on these larger specimens. It sounds like 11 scientists/doctors from a prestigious university this time. The skeptics have locked in on the smaller manufactured specimens as being the end of the story. Nobody is doubting those are manufactured. But these larger specimens are the real deal. Speculation is that the smaller look-alikes were entombed along with the larger ones for some cult/ceremonial reasons. Papameter Reading 95% Genuine 5% Manufactured No PG It's the same guy, Zuniga. The others have not been identified and have only been described as "researchers". There's a lot that still needs to occur before at if this gets a sniff at possibly being real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted November 8, 2023 #497 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Trelane said: No PG It's the same guy, Zuniga. The others have not been identified and have only been described as "researchers". There's a lot that still needs to occur before at if this gets a sniff at possibly being real. Apparently, you didn't read the MSN article I was commenting on. Seems many have identified themselves and signed their names. Quote "There was absolutely no human intervention in the physical and biological formation of these beings," he added, saying he didn't know the origin of the beings. Zuniga presented a letter signed by 11 researchers from the university declaring the same. The letter made clear, however, they were not implying the bodies were "extraterrestrial". And I agree with not concluding 'extraterrestrial' but we clearly have specimens unknown to science. What they are becomes the next question beyond the question 'are they real'. From DNA results it appears we are dealing with something dramatically different from any creature known to biology. The theory of extraterrestrials and terrestrial/extraterrestrial hybrids is certainly among the leading speculations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted November 8, 2023 Author #498 Share Posted November 8, 2023 https://news.sky.com/video/journalist-shows-footage-of-extraterrestrials-found-in-peru-to-mexican-politicians-13003134 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted November 8, 2023 #499 Share Posted November 8, 2023 On 9/13/2023 at 8:21 AM, Unusual Tournament said: SCIENTISTS UNVEIL PAIR OF 'MUMMIFIED ALIEN' CORPSES TO MEXICO CONGRESS Scientists in Mexico are pulling back the curtain on what they believe are aliens, and they put two corpses on display. Two small mummified specimens were unveiled at Mexico's first-ever congressional hearing on UFOs Tuesday. https://abc7.com/amp/mexico-aliens-corpses-ufos/13776957/ Scientists in Mexico are pulling back the curtain on what they believe are aliens, and they put two corpses piles of soap on display. that's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 9, 2023 #500 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) I should bring my Ring camera over there right quick. Edited November 9, 2023 by razman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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