Breaking: Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico congress

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I’m just going on facts. There were 6 mummies found in that pit 4 human and the 2 that were presented to the Mexican authorities. Maussan  is linked to the 4 human ones. He made a claim they were all alien at the time. That’s the extent of Maussan’s involvement to my knowledge. 
 

If the National Autonomous University of Mexico says those 2 presented things have 30% unknown DNA then that’s what I’m gonna assume. If a peer reviewed study says different then I’m gonna question the results of the National Autonomous University of Mexico until then my mind is open on the matter. 
 

Im happy for you to present evidence to the contrary 

I just bumped you to the other thread

[Cho Jinn]

Do these mummies want to run for office?    As they are not alive, presumably they’d be unable to repeatedly fall up the steps of Air Force Two.  

[Unusual Tournament]

6 minutes ago, Piney said:

I just bumped you to the other thread

Realised too late and posted there. I’ll repost here

 

The evidence in your link does not mention any DNA tests and strictly on X-rays and conjecture.
 

I repeat, National Autonomous University of Mexico has done DNA tests and X-rays and has found 30% unknown DNA.

Show me any peer reviewed DNA test to counter?

[+Liquid Gardens]

9 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

First of all where did I say I accept this as certainty and without healthy normal skepticism?

Back to my point of any respect given to supporters of novel material (paranormal, alien, cryptozoological) gets mistranslated by the Skeptics (capital 'S') as blind acceptance.

And back to my point that you aren't even evaluating data that you actually have in front of you correctly.  The careful reader will note that I didn't say you blindly accept things with certainty, you brought that phrase up.  I said you can't seem to imagine biases in scientists you agree with, because I can't think of offhand when you've ever brought those up and if you have it's with nowhere near the frequency of your vague accusations of bias due to 'materialistic' outlooks. Ergo, your skepticism seems to be unequal as I said.  

I did ask some other questions that are relevant to this topic which you didn't reply to, speaking of other general 'points' that we've gone over before.

[Piney]

Just now, Unusual Tournament said:

Realised too late and posted there. I’ll repost here

 

The evidence in your link does not mention any DNA tests and strictly on X-rays and conjecture.
 

I repeat, National Autonomous University of Mexico has done DNA tests and X-rays and has found 30% unknown DNA.

Show me any peer reviewed DNA test to counter?

The X-rays shows a mix of the wrong bones used for the joints. How much more evidence do you need? 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

The X-rays shows a mix of the wrong bones used for the joints. How much more evidence do you need? 

The crux of the article I posted is mentioning DNA testing. This is what is wow-ing the press. Not what X-rays show. 

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

I recall non-transparency from the start. One might theorize a reason.

This is between you and Piney. Your opinion on any subject doesn't matter. Just whip out your 'how much is PG bias meter' and be done with it.

The number one reason Piney get's a  in my book is because I fact checked him a lot and never got a negative. So I have little reason to doubt. You on the other hand PG, why should I even trust you?

[+Liquid Gardens]

17 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

If the National Autonomous University of Mexico says those 2 presented things have 30% unknown DNA then that’s what I’m gonna assume.

Just curious, where did the NAUM say this?  Your link to Times of India says that NAUM studied the mummies, but it is Maussen who is saying what their results supposedly were.  

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The crux of the article I posted is mentioning DNA testing. This is what is wow-ing the press. Not what X-rays show. 

We'll see what happens with the Uni's test releases on Academia's feed.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

The number one reason Piney get's a  in my book is because I fact checked him a lot and never got a negative.

You, my Aunt Julia and my mother-in-law. 

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Just curious, where did the NAUM say this?  Your link to Times of India says that NAUM studied the mummies, but it is Maussen who is saying what their results supposedly were.  

That's what I've been saying. They should issue a press release via Academia or Research Gate.

[papageorge1]

6 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I said you can't seem to imagine biases in scientists you agree with

Being me, I happen to know I can easily imagine such a thing and consider that in my deliberations. 

8 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

  

I did ask some other questions that are relevant to this topic which you didn't reply to, speaking of other general 'points' that we've gone over before.

If you are talking about the DNA issue, I am just seeing the same things the other people hear are seeing. I am not placing myself as the verifier of what other experts say. My all things considered position is that this is likely genuine unknown specimens as after this much time a thorough debunking satisfying to the Mexican scientists would have occurred. 

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

You, my Aunt Julia and my mother-in-law. 

At least I'm honest about it. I'd rather have a high sense of correct information than being suckered in by 'bro science'. 

[+Liquid Gardens]

45 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

specimen were recently studied at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, where scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating. The small mummified specimen, retrieved from Cusco, Peru, are believed to be 1,000-years old. 

Maussan said that DNA retrieved from the specimen were compared to other DNA samples and it was revealed that over 30% of the specimens’ DNA was “unknown”.
 

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/rest-of-world/alien-bodies-displayed-during-public-hearing-in-mexico-congress/amp_articleshow/103626618.cms

Also from your link:

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Point to note

Though the hearing happened in the Mexico Congress, which lends it some credence, it should be noted that Maussan has been associated with 'fake' claims of 'aliens' before.

In June 2017, Maussan was involved in the analysis of 5 mummies discovered in Peru at the region where the UNESCO World Heritage Nazca Lines is located.

The images allegedly showed a crouched mummified body of a humanoid figure with an elongated skull and three fingers on each hand and foot.

Later, though, that 'alien' discovery was debunked.  The mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.

 

[+Liquid Gardens]

2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

My all things considered position is that this is likely genuine unknown specimens as after this much time a thorough debunking satisfying to the Mexican scientists would have occurred. 

How long have 'the Mexican scientists' been looking into this?

[Antigonos]

4 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Also from your link:

 

Oops.

[Unusual Tournament]

10 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Just curious, where did the NAUM say this?  Your link to Times of India says that NAUM studied the mummies, but it is Maussen who is saying what their results supposedly were.  

The Mexican university will make a statement soon enough I guess

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Also from your link:

I bumped the thread on Maussan's previous attempt at promoting this atrocity in the Crypto subforum if you want to peruse the debunking.

[Unusual Tournament]

6 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Also from your link:

 

Well without a scientific explanation Maussan would be jumping to conclusions more than lying. Now wouldn’t he?

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Oops.

Only a ****ing ghoul would do this. 

[papageorge1]

6 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

How long have 'the Mexican scientists' been looking into this?

I don't know, but I'm sure any scientist of integrity would consider the debunking claims seriously. 

[Piney]

Just now, Unusual Tournament said:

Well without a scientific explanation Maussan would be jumping to conclusions more than lying. Now wouldn’t he?

His reputation among other UFO researchers isn't good. 

[DieChecker]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

specimen were recently studied at the National Autonomous University of Mexico, where scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating. The small mummified specimen, retrieved from Cusco, Peru, are believed to be 1,000-years old. 

Maussan said that DNA retrieved from the specimen were compared to other DNA samples and it was revealed that over 30% of the specimens’ DNA was “unknown”.
 

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/rest-of-world/alien-bodies-displayed-during-public-hearing-in-mexico-congress/amp_articleshow/103626618.cms

 

 

As I recall, having significant percentages of DNA as "unknown" usually means that part of the DNA was extremely damaged to the point it could not give reliable data to use to compare.

Very commonly seen in bigfoot discussions. And I've been following that here on UM for almost 20 years.

It doesn't mean the DNA was unusual, it usually means it was badly damaged.

Edited September 13 by DieChecker

[+Liquid Gardens]

10 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

The number one reason Piney get's a  in my book is because I fact checked him a lot and never got a negative. So I have little reason to doubt. You on the other hand PG, why should I even trust you?

For me it's not even that dependent on whether a fact check of one of his claims comes up false, that happens to everyone.  It's that Piney's and lots of people's reasoning can be evaluated and is not heavily dependent on his opinion. If I've ever questioned Piney on something that I wanted background on he can provide something and can step aside and say, 'no don't believe me, check this link and evidence out and tell me where I'm wrong'.  Papa can't do that, there is no single piece of good compelling evidence, he asserts that the truth of it emerges somehow from having a whole bunch of stories that he thinks are 'quality' (without demonstrating that they are 'quality'); it's opinion all the way down.

[Unusual Tournament]

14 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

This is between you and Piney. Your opinion on any subject doesn't matter. Just whip out your 'how much is PG bias meter' and be done with it.

The number one reason Piney get's a  in my book is because I fact checked him a lot and never got a negative. So I have little reason to doubt. You on the other hand PG, why should I even trust you?

Ha! Piney is consistently wrong because of his bias which he wears on his sleeve. 
 

Concerning these mummies: You all called Maussan a liar because of his bias and not getting a scientific answer. Here he is claiming to have that scientific evidence so shouldn’t he be given time for the scientific research that was supposed to have been done come to light?