Breaking: Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico congress

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

For me it's not even that dependent on whether a fact check of one of his claims comes up false, that happens to everyone.  It's that Piney's and lots of people's reasoning can be evaluated and is not heavily dependent on his opinion. If I've ever questioned Piney on something that I wanted background on he can provide something and can step aside and say, 'no don't believe me, check this link and evidence out and tell me where I'm wrong'.  Papa can't do that, there is no single piece of good compelling evidence, he asserts that the truth of it emerges somehow from having a whole bunch of stories that he thinks are 'quality' (without demonstrating that they are 'quality'); it's opinion all the way down.

I questioned him a lot when I first got here. With enough valid support and offered support (providing links), I had no reason to doubt much. 

PG doesn't do that. He just throws a % out as a full stop. 

I think there was another thread about the same 'aliens' a few years ago. Same type of results we're seeing now. 

I'll admit to believing alien life exist on other worlds, I just have massive doubts that it visits us. Too much distance to cover.

Edited September 13, 2023 by XenoFish

[+Liquid Gardens]

6 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Well without a scientific explanation Maussan would be jumping to conclusions more than lying. Now wouldn’t he?

I didn't say he was lying, the point of course is that whether he's lying or he's jumping to conclusions he's therefore unreliable.

 

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Ha! Piney is consistently wrong because of his bias which he wears on his sleeve. 
 

Concerning these mummies: You all called Maussan a liar because of his bias and not getting a scientific answer. Here he is claiming to have that scientific evidence so shouldn’t he be given time for the scientific research that was supposed to have been done come to light? 

Are you some expert or are you just another mouth piece spouting off an opinion on the internet like the rest of us? Tell me why I should care what you think.

[Unusual Tournament]

3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

As I recall, having significant percentages of DNA as "unknown" usually means that part of the DNA was extremely damaged to the point it could not give reliable data to use to compare.

Very commonly seen in bigfoot discussions. And I've been following that here on UM for almost 20 years.

It doesn't mean the DNA was unusual, it usually means it was badly damaged.

Oh well at some point the DNA research will make it out and we’ll know. But it’s amusing that hoax-liar and fraud are slowing being replaced with a damaged DNA default setting. Time will tell

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Are you some expert or are you just another mouth piece spouting off an opinion on the internet like the rest of us? Tell me why I should care what you think.

I take option B - the sprouter 

[Unusual Tournament]

4 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I didn't say he was lying, the point of course is that whether he's lying or he's jumping to conclusions he's therefore unreliable.

 

It’s the general consensus in this thread. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

6 hours ago, joc said:

Don't really need no dating test or none of them x-rays neither!  You heard what they said right?

They only had three fingers and elongated heads.

That there is proof that they's aliens buddy!  What more do you need.  We done been visited by Ancient Atroonots and that there is proof! 3 fingers?  Elongated heads?  Them's gotta be aliens.  We got 'em dead to rights now boy!

I just knew you would see the light someday, Brudder

[+DieChecker]

3 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Oh well at some point the DNA research will make it out and we’ll know. But it’s amusing that hoax-liar and fraud are slowing being replaced with a damaged DNA default setting. Time will tell

I'm just saying ive seen this time and time again with bigfoot samples that get tested. It comes back unknown to some degree, and the true believers high five each other, then when someone gets ahold of a full report on the DNA, there's always a note that the part marked unknown was unable to be compared due to environmentally caused damage usually.

Stuff rots. Even a dried out mummy, if carried around and displayed, will be exposed to water in the air, and fungus/mold spores, and other contaminants, and start to degrade. That's why archeologists love teeth, because the DNA remains more protected. 

And just time itself causes DNA to degrade, organics, unless kept frozen and stored in a vacuum, will eventually fall apart.

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

It’s the general consensus in this thread. 

Like I said. He was busted by other researchers, believers for hoaxes before. Including promoting Billy Meier's insanity and pushing CGI fakes. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The National Autonomous University of Mexico (Spanish: Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, UNAM) is a publicresearch university in Mexico. It is widely regarded as a top research university in Latin America.
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Autonomous_University_of_Mexico

Ya, and if UNAM back this Klown, Maussan, they won't be regarded as a top research university much longer. 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps
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[Unusual Tournament]

14 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Ya, and if UNAM back this Klown, Maussan, they won't be regarded as a top research university much longer. 

Well here’s the exact quote from Maussan -

Maussan says, "These specimens are not part of our terrestrial evolution.” Now bear in mind, UNAM and probably more scientists have seen the results of the tests. It’s a big statement that will be scrutinised 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

50 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Here he is claiming to have that scientific evidence so shouldn’t he be given time for the scientific research that was supposed to have been done come to light? 

 I wouldn't give that phony, Maussan, the steam off my last year's __ss. 

[Jon the frog]

No way !

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

How does declaring that 30% of the DNA is "unknown" automatically make it "Alien" DNA? 

 

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

As I recall, having significant percentages of DNA as "unknown" usually means that part of the DNA was extremely damaged to the point it could not give reliable data to use to compare.

Very commonly seen in bigfoot discussions. And I've been following that here on UM for almost 20 years.

It doesn't mean the DNA was unusual, it usually means it was badly damaged.

From my understanding 'damaged DNA' and 'unknown DNA' mean two different things.

From Wikipedia: 

DNA damage is an alteration in the chemical structure of DNA, such as a break in a strand of DNA, a nucleobase missing from the backbone of DNA, or a chemically changed base such as 8-OHdG. DNA damage can occur naturally or via environmental factors, but is distinctly different from mutation, although both are types of error in DNA.

However, from the article:

The National Autonomous University of Mexico conducted tests on them, which Maussan claimed revealed that more than 30% of the specimens’ DNA was "unknown," indicating that they are "not part of our terrestrial evolution," he said.

 

And just by common sense, 'damaged DNA' would not have caused any interest to scientists.

[moonman]

Same old crap that has been shown to be fake time and time again. Only morons believe these are real. I can go spout a bunch of crap in front of the Mexican congress too, that doesn't mean I'm not making stuff up when I do. Mexican politics comes off as a circus, honestly. The "official" stuff they promote is sometimes very...suspect. I can't tell if they are trying to promote tourism any way they can or if they are just wildly superstitious.

So there's DNA presented- yay. So what? Like others said, DNA degrades, gets contaminated, etc.

What I wonder is how hard is it to get "fake" DNA, as in mix a bunch of crap together (like these mummies) and call it all the same stuff. How hard is it to pull a single cohesive DNA strand out of these hoaxes? If they mixed in lizard/plant/llama parts with the human bones, could an HONEST scientist reliably pull the human DNA out without it being cross-contaminated? By that same token, could a con artist easily make a DNA cocktail out of all the bits and call it "alien"? Or just release a completely made-up DNA file? I've seen links to the DNA itself, you can download it to look at.

What I HAVEN'T seen is anyone other than the people pushing this fraud releasing any reports. Allowing outsiders to examine it is necessary - well, not in this case since everyone with a functioning brain knows this is a years-old sham, but still.

Edited September 13, 2023 by moonman

[Mapusoul]

It was for a upcoming scifi movie

https://x.com/20thcentury/status/1702076581655748692

https://youtu.be/CvzlxfEz4hQ

Edited September 13, 2023 by Mapusoul

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, moonman said:

Same old crap that has been shown to be fake time and time again. Only morons believe these are real. I can go spout a bunch of crap in front of the Mexican congress too, that doesn't mean I'm not making stuff up when I do. Mexican politics comes off as a circus, honestly. The "official" stuff they promote is sometimes very...suspect. I can't tell if they are trying to promote tourism any way they can or if they are just wildly superstitious.

So there's DNA presented- yay. So what? Like others said, DNA degrades, gets contaminated, etc.

What I wonder is how hard is it to get "fake" DNA, as in mix a bunch of crap together (like these mummies) and call it all the same stuff. How hard is it to pull a single cohesive DNA strand out of these hoaxes? If they mixed in lizard/plant/llama parts with the human bones, could an HONEST scientist reliably pull the human DNA out without it being cross-contaminated? By that same token, could a con artist easily make a DNA cocktail out of all the bits and call it "alien"? Or just release a completely made-up DNA file? I've seen links to the DNA itself, you can download it to look at.

What I HAVEN'T seen is anyone other than the people pushing this fraud releasing any reports. Allowing outsiders to examine it is necessary - well, not in this case since everyone with a functioning brain knows this is a years-old sham, but still.

I think it, in part, depends on who is testing the DNA and their procedures, and results format. 

Probably you're right, but in my experience the "Believers", take "unable to process", and call it "unknown" for their own purposes.

If a paper, or report, ever comes out, I'm sure it will clear it up.

[Hankenhunter]

6 hours ago, Piney said:

There was already a thread here on these gaffes. The fact they are the looted bodies of children is horrible.

I contacted  the department head  for one of the scientists on the Gaia video @papageorge1 mentioned. She admitted she was edited, understood it was a gaffe and had to apologize to some very p***ed off Native Americans. 

@Liquid Gardens The UFO crowd even say Jamie Maussan is a hoaxer. 

How about a link to back this up.

[Nicolette]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

How does declaring that 30% of the DNA is "unknown" automatically make it "Alien" DNA? 

 

I think that is what determined it to be not fully human. I think the removal of non-terrestrial alloy implants is what points to not terrestrial.

[Hankenhunter]

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/358762-why-is-it-that-when-someone-talks-about-their-experiences-here-they-are-scrutinized-with-bias/

 

[moonman]

The implants are not magic unknown space metal, they are normal metals found on earth that somebody cobbled together and added to this scarecrow. So what if the metal is somewhat rare? That just means the hoaxer spent a few bucks to make it "special". Rare does not equal alien.

Edited September 13, 2023 by moonman

[pbarosso]

if you think this is real you need your head examined

[+DieChecker]

I found this video...

 

It's not in English, but is dubbed.

But it points out all the things wrong with these mummies.

Here is a screen cap showing how they turned an alpaca skull into the aliens head.

Amazing how these aliens heads exactly match an alpaca skull turned around and with the extraneous parts chopped off.

[Unusual Tournament]

31 minutes ago, Nicolette said:

I think that is what determined it to be not fully human. I think the removal of non-terrestrial alloy implants is what points to not terrestrial.

The correct quote is “non terrestrial”.