Breaking: Scientists unveil pair of 'mummified alien' corpses to Mexico congress

[papageorge1]

18 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

None of which matters here, as explained before, repeatedly.  If you don't understand why by now I don't expect you ever will.

"Positive hits"?  What does that mean?  Photos?  Videos?  Anything that isn't obviously a childish fake?

The difference is only a matter of time.  And whether genuine, impartial scientists are allowed access to the fakes.  And whether they can really be arsed to investigate properly.

The original report stated that 30% of the DNA recovered was of unknown origin, implying extraterrestrial.  What detail was provided?  Did they discover different base nucleotides, or a different structure, or what?  I haven't seen any scientific report on this.  Have you?  Has anyone? 

And why would an alien have 70% terrestrial DNA anyway?

No, Paps, the 'smoking gun' here is the utter absence of ANY credible science.  As I keep telling you - reports of scientific reports are no substitute for, erm, the actual reports themselves.  And what's the most likely reason this evidence isn't being shared for intelligent scrutiny?

Everything about this circus is wrong.  The absence of data.  The disarticulated 'skeletons' that clearly, disingenuously, contain human bones.  The supposition that a species evolving on some alien planet would have DNA in any way comparable to Earth's.  Even the reference to C-14 dating for a creature not from Earth: any credible scientist would tell you why that's a meaningless and irrelevant measurement, telling us nothing useful whatsoever.  But Maussan thinks it dates these 'finds'?  

As I've written before, one issue that really deserves an answer is whether Maussan is the perpetrator of this hoax, or the victim.

(Any time you need science explaining - just ask.  I'm here to help.)

First consider a genetically engineered terrestrial/extra-terrestrial hybrid. New thinking allowed. Observation of an anomaly can precede its current understanding!

The politics of an alien disclosure reaches throughout and the transperancy we all want might not be there.

And for me I listen to things other than the DNA evidence too:

By studying these images, it was possible to identify the bone structures that have a harmonious and functional anatomical relationship with each other, which would make it possible to determine an organic mobility of the specimen analyzed.

By studying these images, we have been able to identify similar structures in their physiognomy to organs and their components, which have a similarity with vascular, digestive tract packets, reproductive system, but which have particularities that make them different from what is described and known in human anatomy, and bring them closer to other different species.

By studying these images, and their three-dimensional reconstruction, we can identify that the bone anatomy as well as the ovoid structures (4 eggs) and the flexible anatomy (skin, fat, muscles, organs, blood vessels, oral cavity, digestive tract, reproductive system, oviduct), and other joint structures (such as muscles, tendons, ligaments and cartilages) have a direct relationship between their position and their tracts, which shows their authenticity and the organic functionality itself which is unique and non-reproducible between individuals.

This determines the validity and the fact that this is a new and unknown species organism, from a unique evolutionary biological origin and distinct from what has been described or known in the human species or any other.

DNA results confirm no direct relationship with any animal-like organism known or described until this day.
And I would like to make it clear, we used to talk about a correspondance between 30% and 33% DNA. That’s not relevant, those 30% are not relevant, what matters is how different it is, and it’s different at 70%.
This distinction and differentiation of 70% makes this species unique, invaluable and non-reproducible, and deserves further study and scientific analysis.

Carbon 14 results gives an approximate dating period which implies a taxonomic origin distinct from what is known or described in terrestrial species already studied and referenced by science

More than that, I will conclude. There are other studies, for example the skin, for example diatom powder, for example the artificial and natural mummification processes, which means that there is a lot to study, a lot to add in this investigation.

I conclude in the persistence of this need, to continue and open more the access for the study of each one of these parts and bodies of these specimens, for scientific institutions in a collegial form and multidisciplinary to corroborate what has already been told, … the truth, and thus determine their origin, as well as the typology and taxonomic classification of these bodies mummified by desiccation, found here in Peru.

They are a new paradigm for history, for what is described by current science, and for what is called the natural evolution of species on this planet.

Galetskiy Dmitriy Vladislàvovich

Medicine’s University of St. Petersburg – Russia

Edited September 17, 2023 by papageorge1

[XenoFish]

Funny how all these aliens are 'humanoid'. You'd think a space faring species might have adapted to a more aquatic function due to zero g. Even be highly advanced cyborgs, or even crude one for that matter. They wouldn't be anything resembling a human. Of course there is always the time travel fall back. 

[papageorge1]

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Funny how all these aliens are 'humanoid'. You'd think a space faring species might have adapted to a more aquatic function due to zero g. Even be highly advanced cyborgs, or even crude one for that matter. They wouldn't be anything resembling a human. Of course there is always the time travel fall back. 

And engineered terrestrial/extra-terrestrial hybrids.

[XenoFish]

57 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

And engineered terrestrial/extra-terrestrial hybrids.

No point. 

[Trelane]

....that use portals and such. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Doesn't make sense. There has to be an accepted standard for these things for anything to be meaningful.

There’s “cceptable standard” and then there’s “rigging the test to get the results you want”. You know … “if we pay an extra $10 we get the ENTIRE DNA database” “yeah.. nah, who needs all that?”

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

First consider a genetically engineered terrestrial/extra-terrestrial hybrid. New thinking allowed. Observation of an anomaly can precede its current understanding!

The politics of an alien disclosure reaches throughout and the transperancy we all want might not be there.

And for me I listen to things other than the DNA evidence too:

By studying these images, it was possible to identify the bone structures that have a harmonious and functional anatomical relationship with each other, which would make it possible to determine an organic mobility of the specimen analyzed.

By studying these images, we have been able to identify similar structures in their physiognomy to organs and their components, which have a similarity with vascular, digestive tract packets, reproductive system, but which have particularities that make them different from what is described and known in human anatomy, and bring them closer to other different species.

By studying these images, and their three-dimensional reconstruction, we can identify that the bone anatomy as well as the ovoid structures (4 eggs) and the flexible anatomy (skin, fat, muscles, organs, blood vessels, oral cavity, digestive tract, reproductive system, oviduct), and other joint structures (such as muscles, tendons, ligaments and cartilages) have a direct relationship between their position and their tracts, which shows their authenticity and the organic functionality itself which is unique and non-reproducible between individuals.

This determines the validity and the fact that this is a new and unknown species organism, from a unique evolutionary biological origin and distinct from what has been described or known in the human species or any other.

DNA results confirm no direct relationship with any animal-like organism known or described until this day.
And I would like to make it clear, we used to talk about a correspondance between 30% and 33% DNA. That’s not relevant, those 30% are not relevant, what matters is how different it is, and it’s different at 70%.
This distinction and differentiation of 70% makes this species unique, invaluable and non-reproducible, and deserves further study and scientific analysis.

Carbon 14 results gives an approximate dating period which implies a taxonomic origin distinct from what is known or described in terrestrial species already studied and referenced by science

More than that, I will conclude. There are other studies, for example the skin, for example diatom powder, for example the artificial and natural mummification processes, which means that there is a lot to study, a lot to add in this investigation.

I conclude in the persistence of this need, to continue and open more the access for the study of each one of these parts and bodies of these specimens, for scientific institutions in a collegial form and multidisciplinary to corroborate what has already been told, … the truth, and thus determine their origin, as well as the typology and taxonomic classification of these bodies mummified by desiccation, found here in Peru.

They are a new paradigm for history, for what is described by current science, and for what is called the natural evolution of species on this planet.

Galetskiy Dmitriy Vladislàvovich

Medicine’s University of St. Petersburg – Russia

How do full rounded ribs like that function? Our ribcage is OPEN at the back in order to flex and reinforced at the front to protect the organs. To my knowledge, no terrestrial animal has fully enclosed ribs because that limits lung capacity.

[Golden Duck]

3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

How do full rounded ribs like that function? Our ribcage is OPEN at the back in order to flex and reinforced at the front to protect the organs. To my knowledge, no terrestrial animal has fully enclosed ribs because that limits lung capacity.

They respire in another dimension.  And, breathing 4d sulfur increases quantum efficiency, or something.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

They respire in another dimension.  And, breathing 4d sulfur increases quantum efficiency, or something.

Ohh obviously, I’m disappointed in myself that I didn’t think that sooner.

[papageorge1]

57 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

There’s “cceptable standard” and then there’s “rigging the test to get the results you want”. You know … “if we pay an extra $10 we get the ENTIRE DNA database” “yeah.. nah, who needs all that?”

?? if there's such a thing where is the indication that happened??

[papageorge1]

57 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

How do full rounded ribs like that function? Our ribcage is OPEN at the back in order to flex and reinforced at the front to protect the organs. To my knowledge, no terrestrial animal has fully enclosed ribs because that limits lung capacity.

Question better addresses to: 

Galetskiy Dmitriy Vladislàvovich      Medicine’s University of St. Petersburg – Russia

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

16 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

?? if there's such a thing where is the indication that happened??

You must be new to the human race if “people manipulating data in order to get the result they want” is a shock to you.

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

There’s “cceptable standard” and then there’s “rigging the test to get the results you want”. You know … “if we pay an extra $10 we get the ENTIRE DNA database” “yeah.. nah, who needs all that?”

further info from Reuter's article:

Jose de Jesus Zalce Benitez, Director of the Health Sciences Research Institute of the Secretary of the Navy, participated in the congressional hearing, bolstering Maussan's claims. Now joining him at his office, he calmly explained his interpretation of the science.

"Based on the DNA tests, which were compared with more than one million species ... they are not related to what is known or described up to this moment by science or by human knowledge," he said.

[papageorge1]

Just now, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

You must be new to the human race if “people manipulating data in order to get the result they want” is a shock to you.

didn't say shocked........just wondered how you would now

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

12 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

didn't say shocked........just wondered how you would now

Because I assume everyone is “in it for themselves” and that they treat honesty as a secondary concern for themselves after asking themselves “how do I benefit?” until I Learn otherwise?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

14 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

further info from Reuter's article:

Jose de Jesus Zalce Benitez, Director of the Health Sciences Research Institute of the Secretary of the Navy, participated in the congressional hearing, bolstering Maussan's claims. Now joining him at his office, he calmly explained his interpretation of the science.

"Based on the DNA tests, which were compared with more than one million species ... they are not related to what is known or described up to this moment by science or by human knowledge," he said.

Ohh more than one million species. 
big number. 
Big, utterly meaningless, number. 
There’s billions animals on this planet. 

[papageorge1]

4 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Because I assume everyone is “in it for themselves” and that they treat honesty as a secondary concern for themselves after asking themselves “how do I benefit?” until I Learn otherwise?

my belief is the majority are honest and the minority are as you say.

[papageorge1]

4 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Ohh more than one million species. 
big number. 
Big, utterly meaningless, number. 
There’s billions animals on this planet. 

If this is a real intact ancient mummy specimen could this be any known animal ?? Without even DNA tests we can think 'no'. And your human hoaxer would have had to live many centuries ago. 

To me it's still a mystery. To you it's a closed fraud case.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

13 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

If this is a real intact ancient mummy specimen could this be any known animal ?? Without even DNA tests we can think 'no'. And your human hoaxer would have had to live many centuries ago. 

To me it's still a mystery. To you it's a closed fraud case.

No, to me it’s an open fraud case. 
To you, it’s a closed case of “gotta be aliens” with just enough self-awareness to apply the merest vineer of “skepticism” via the patented “pappameter”. 

[papageorge1]

46 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

No, to me it’s an open fraud case. 
To you, it’s a closed case of “gotta be aliens” with just enough self-awareness to apply the merest vineer of “skepticism” via the patented “pappameter”. 

Well thanks for letting me know my position. 

[+DieChecker]

16 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

 

I can't find that: could you post a link please?

Ah it was back a couple pages. Click on the below to jump there.

 

 

[+DieChecker]

9 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

So, if I present competent scientists suggesting 'genuine' is that all I need to do? Let's see the proponent scientists comment on your video. You really are just doing the easy job of latching onto to what you want to hear. 

By the way, how do backward human finger bones get a result of 30% 'unknown DNA'? 

Sure. Present competent scientists, who've examined the evidence and still say these are aliens. Did you do that yet? Maybe I missed it.

The owner of the mummies admits he had the x-rays taken. And posted them online. And I've not seen an anatomy expert, or biologist for that matter, who've yet to say it looks legit.

Who's saying these are real?

"Unknown" is what the owner said,  yeah? Did anyone else say "unknown"? Point out any other source of the "unknown" then the owner. Any report. Any expert. Anyone else...

I've seen this over and over with bigfoot. But when push comes to shove, it has always turned out the unknown meant damaged, or rather uncomparable, or insufficient data.

Edited September 18, 2023 by DieChecker

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

18 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…hasn’t been proven they’re fake’s beyond a reasonable doubt

A problem arises when this layman expects scientists to examine the bodies to help make his case, and I think he will find that nobody will. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

10 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

First - I distinguish a difference between 'faked fakes' and 'alleged faked fakes' at this point.

  

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

A problem arises when this layman expects scientists to examine the bodies to help make his case, and I think he will find that nobody will. 

Isn’t that weird? It is to me. Why not crush this narrative if it’s fake, I would.