NASA releases its 33-page report on yearlong study into UAPs

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Amazing. This just came out today

We Just Found a Molecule on Another World...and Only Living Organisms Can Produce It - and it is called dimethyl sulfide, or DMS

"NASA recently announced the detection of a potential signature of extraterrestrial life in the atmosphere of a planet located 120 light years away."

yeah this is interesting but what does it have to do with NASA's investigation into UAPs?

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah this is interesting but what does it have to do with NASA's investigation into UAPs?

Nothing. 

There was something M 7 said that this link tied right into, and that is what I was addressing.

[Dejarma]

Just now, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Nothing. 

There was something M 7 said that this link tied right into, and that is what I was addressing.

fair enough 

[Robotic Jew]

On 9/15/2023 at 5:05 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Well then, may I say they are doing a horsebleep job of it, eh?  

It's like Are 51 being billed as the world's most secret Air Base LOL! Wrong. It's the most well know. The indigenous Peruvians even know about it.

 

Just some food for thought... This super secret project of making hi-tech aircrafts that no one knows about... Who makes out their paychecks? 

 

George Soros of course.

[Phantom309]

The reality of dear old NASA and their style of "investigation".......

 

[Trelane]

True believers will never be satisfied. Even if the truth came up and sat right on their faces they would deny it. They will cherry pick items from scientists that propose or theorize items that align with their beliefs. Then will categorically ignore or try to deny what other and usually more credible scientists provide to the contrary. 

Funny, but sad. 

[Cho Jinn]

On 9/15/2023 at 11:22 AM, Trelane said:

The B-21 Raider reveal late last year was a classic example of how little the public really knows about what is being developed and tested. There are far more exotic prototypes of various platforms 9manned & unmanned0 that the US does not want anyone to know about.

Surely, and those things of course have lead to and do lead to "sightings" or claims.  To your point, I fondly recall, driving north on M-53 in Sterling Heights, Michigan in an afternoon of 2004 or so when a B-2 came in very low, and very quietly, over the freeway area presumably en route to touching down at Selfridge AFB.  Working in the defense sector, and being a fan generally, my reaction was "awesome!"  The slamming of brakes and dangerously evasive maneuvers on the highway revealed that others were not so familiar with the aircraft, which looked just huge and ominous.  It was flying, though, and a steady, slow clip.  I am sure some of those people claimed they saw a UFO, which literally they did insofar as it was unidentifiable to them.

In contrast, the phenomena really at issue, or causing fuss, here for those with more than a passing interest is not merely a faster moving object, or an object that looks even more like a flying wing, or an object operating at some particularly high altitude.  It's the behavior of physical objects which are not "flying" in the traditional sense, i.e., utilizing wing surfaces and thrust, being witnessed visually or recorded on radar for so long, and in the same manner, that either the U.S. and/or other governments of the world (for some reason) have been and are sitting on tech for a century that would substantially change civilization and the human condition, or something else is making and controlling the things, and our intrepid Top Men don't have the answers, so officially there can be no answers in order to maintain their apparently authority.  The former seems less plausible than the latter, at least to me having worked in defense with clearances on offensively expensive DoD programs.  There are examples of tech developed by the DoD which were leaked to industry, but we are way, way beyond those timelines with make-thing-indifferent-to-gravity-like-they-did-in-the-40s tech.

[Imran S]

On 9/14/2023 at 4:37 PM, Guyver said:

So, we don’t know what they are but they’re not aliens.  OK then, mystery solved.  Sigh. I guess that leaves advanced humans and/or their tech from the future.  Or, secret tech so secret the government doesn’t even know about it.  That….or they’re just not telling and this whole thing is a fabricated cover story.

Most likely they are “jinn”

[Trelane]

On 9/25/2023 at 5:40 PM, Cho Jinn said:

Surely, and those things of course have lead to and do lead to "sightings" or claims.  To your point, I fondly recall, driving north on M-53 in Sterling Heights, Michigan in an afternoon of 2004 or so when a B-2 came in very low, and very quietly, over the freeway area presumably en route to touching down at Selfridge AFB.  Working in the defense sector, and being a fan generally, my reaction was "awesome!"  The slamming of brakes and dangerously evasive maneuvers on the highway revealed that others were not so familiar with the aircraft, which looked just huge and ominous.  It was flying, though, and a steady, slow clip.  I am sure some of those people claimed they saw a UFO, which literally they did insofar as it was unidentifiable to them.

In contrast, the phenomena really at issue, or causing fuss, here for those with more than a passing interest is not merely a faster moving object, or an object that looks even more like a flying wing, or an object operating at some particularly high altitude.  It's the behavior of physical objects which are not "flying" in the traditional sense, i.e., utilizing wing surfaces and thrust, being witnessed visually or recorded on radar for so long, and in the same manner, that either the U.S. and/or other governments of the world (for some reason) have been and are sitting on tech for a century that would substantially change civilization and the human condition, or something else is making and controlling the things, and our intrepid Top Men don't have the answers, so officially there can be no answers in order to maintain their apparently authority.  The former seems less plausible than the latter, at least to me having worked in defense with clearances on offensively expensive DoD programs.  There are examples of tech developed by the DoD which were leaked to industry, but we are way, way beyond those timelines with make-thing-indifferent-to-gravity-like-they-did-in-the-40s tech.

Interesting points Cho, thanks for your insight. I have also been in the defense sector for over 25 years (military police and intelligence). The claims of some can only be taken at face value as just hat, stories. The problem with many of them is corroborating evidence that can be verified. In way to many instances  there are these incredible claims but nothing at all to validate it beyond the statements. 

The problem with the "phenomenon" is that people are alleging these wild speeds and capabilities with nothing presented to corroborate it. That is problematic especially reports coming from areas/regions with high population densities. Only one person sees this "object" and no one else does? No one? That is where the likelihood of this being real falls apart for me. Almost all of the high altitude objects have subsequently been identified as balloons and other sky clutter, no mystery there. Only mysterious to the ground based observer.

In regard to high ranking officials there is inconclusive data presented to them so they don't make statements on them, that's why there are investigative bodies getting fired up t look into these claims again. You say men don't have answers, that's debatable. There are answers but many people disregard them. In the very small percentage of cases that remain "unidentified" the real experts assigned to look into this simply state that they have that designation due to a lack of data. That is precisely what they are looking for, more data.

What tech was "leaked" to industry?  When you say that, you make it sound as though the shared information occurred unofficially and without clearance. What examples of that happening do you have? The items I have had to pull security for and have been briefed on are still unknowns to the public sector. I suspect they will remain so as it's been over 15 years since my last CSS assignment with these items never being disclosed or released for public knowledge.

[Cho Jinn]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

What tech was "leaked" to industry?  When you say that, you make it sound as though the shared information occurred unofficially and without clearance. What examples of that happening do you have? The items I have had to pull security for and have been briefed on are still unknowns to the public sector. I suspect they will remain so as it's been over 15 years since my last CSS assignment with these items never being disclosed or released for public knowledge.

I didn't mean to imply anything was surreptitious, and I could have used a better word than "leaked."  Perhaps just "transferred."

More data on the subject would be lovely, though considering the national security implications of the phenomena I doubt that what has been disclosed, or even recognized, is comprehensive.  We have a situation, unfortunately, where the available data (to, literally and figuratively, ground observers) is limited, there are relatively few opportunities to acquire more data, official treatment is disingenuous if not dis-informative, and opportunists pollute the discussion.  Absent something very dramatic, or perhaps less dramatic though before less indifferent or jaded population, I think this situation will remain.

[Trelane]

2 minutes ago, Cho Jinn said:

I didn't mean to imply anything was surreptitious, and I could have used a better word than "leaked."  Perhaps just "transferred."

More data on the subject would be lovely, though considering the national security implications of the phenomena I doubt that what has been disclosed, or even recognized, is comprehensive.  We have a situation, unfortunately, where the available data (to, literally and figuratively, ground observers) is limited, there are relatively few opportunities to acquire more data, official treatment is disingenuous if not dis-informative, and opportunists pollute the discussion.  Absent something very dramatic, or perhaps less dramatic though before less indifferent or jaded population, I think this situation will remain.

In many of the more anomalous or unidentified cases, i think we are seeing unidentified natural phenomenon. That's just my opinion though. I certainly don't support that every single sighting is a drone or unknown piece of technology.