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"I only treat real women" - that's what French gynaecologist Victor Acharian told a 26-year-old transgender woman he refused to treat in his clinic in the south-west of the country recently.

The transgender woman, accompanied by her boyfriend, went to a gynaecological appointment when, after minutes of waiting, the secretary told her that the doctor had refused to see her.

"I thought I was being honest when I said it wasn't my speciality. I don't know how to treat them and I don't mind being called ignorant," he added.

"You're transphobic!" the young woman reportedly shouted as she left the consulting room. According to the gynaecologist, the patient began to insult his secretary, reacting violently to the refusal.

'A cavity is not a vagina': Trans woman refused healthcare in France | Euronews

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1 hour ago, HerNibs said:

This.  Exactly this.  Click bait headline.

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It is clickbait. It raises an interesting question though. If someone is legally recognised as a particular gender, can someone deny them healthcare for that gender? If they can, then on what grounds? That they are not really their new gender? Then should they get legal recognition?

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5 minutes ago, pellinore said:

It is clickbait. It raises an interesting question though. If someone is legally recognised as a particular gender, can someone deny them healthcare for that gender? If they can, then on what grounds? That they are not really their new gender? Then should they get legal recognition?

Refusing to treat someone based on gender (sadly) varies from state to state but that isn't what happened in this situation.

In the story in the first link it isn't based on that.  

It would be like insisting a dentist do heart surgery.

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1 hour ago, HerNibs said:

It would be like insisting a dentist do heart surgery.

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Not really. It would be like insisting a heart surgeon do heart surgery and a dentist do dental work. If a transwoman, being a woman, insists she is suffering from, say, amenorrhoea, shouldn't this be investigated? Even if it meant consulting a specialist? 

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6 hours ago, pellinore said:

"I only treat real women" - that's what French gynaecologist Victor Acharian told a 26-year-old transgender woman he refused to treat in his clinic in the south-west of the country recently.

The transgender woman, accompanied by her boyfriend, went to a gynaecological appointment when, after minutes of waiting, the secretary told her that the doctor had refused to see her.

"I thought I was being honest when I said it wasn't my speciality. I don't know how to treat them and I don't mind being called ignorant," he added.

"You're transphobic!" the young woman reportedly shouted as she left the consulting room. According to the gynaecologist, the patient began to insult his secretary, reacting violently to the refusal.

'A cavity is not a vagina': Trans woman refused healthcare in France | Euronews

Just need to correct one part - You`re transphobic the young pretend women reportedly shouted as he left the consulting room lol

Now I have that out the way what is a gynaecologist supposed to do? Its not lady parts, he doesn`t have the training what to do.

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9 hours ago, pellinore said:

Not really. It would be like insisting a heart surgeon do heart surgery and a dentist do dental work. If a transwoman, being a woman, insists she is suffering from, say, amenorrhoea, shouldn't this be investigated? Even if it meant consulting a specialist? 

He did offer to recommend a doctor that would be able to assist them. Really, she surely knows who the doctor was that did her surgery. If there was a problem, they would be the one to see.

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20 minutes ago, susieice said:

He did offer to recommend a doctor that would be able to assist them. Really, she surely knows who the doctor was that did her surgery. If there was a problem, they would be the one to see.

I think she went there deliberately to cause trouble. She must know she hasn't got any lady bits to need attention. It's like those gay men who ordered a cake from a Christian vendor- they know they are going to be refused but they are making a point that they can take to court. My point is (if she does so) if the court agrees she is a woman, then she is entitled to gynae investigations and maternity care, etc.

If she insisted she had gynae problems,and the court does not agree she is a woman, perhaps the specialist doctor would be a psychiatrist. But that would be suggesting her trans status is delusional.

I tend to agree with Richard Dawkins and JK Rowling- males and females are different. And as the French might say "Vive la difference!"

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"He justified himself by saying that he had "no skills to treat men, even if they have shaved their beards and come to tell my secretary that they have become women".

He sounds eminently sensible. 

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The truth don't care about your feelings. There comes a time when the absurdity of leftist famtasies and their insistence that everyone else play along, becomes readily apparent.

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On 9/16/2023 at 1:20 AM, susieice said:

He did offer to recommend a doctor that would be able to assist them. Really, she surely knows who the doctor was that did her surgery. If there was a problem, they would be the one to see.

Paging Dr. Frankenstein!

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A French gynaecologist has been barred from his practice for a month for refusing to examine a transgender patient after he said he was only qualified to treat 'real women'.

Dr Victor Acharian refused to see the 26-year-old patient, who attended the gynaecological appointment with her boyfriend, in August 2023.

He told her that he was 'not competent, but I can guide you' and said that it was not his 'specialty', adding: 'I don't know how to treat them and I don't mind being called ignorant,' Euronews reported. 

The patient reportedly called the doctor 'transphobic' before her partner left a comment on the clinic's Google reviews complaining about what had happened.

Gynaecologist is suspended for refusing to treat a trans patient and saying he is only qualified to deal with 'real women' | Daily Mail Online

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

A French gynaecologist has been barred from his practice for a month for refusing to examine a transgender patient after he said he was only qualified to treat 'real women'.

Dr Victor Acharian refused to see the 26-year-old patient, who attended the gynaecological appointment with her boyfriend, in August 2023.

He told her that he was 'not competent, but I can guide you' and said that it was not his 'specialty', adding: 'I don't know how to treat them and I don't mind being called ignorant,' Euronews reported. 

The patient reportedly called the doctor 'transphobic' before her partner left a comment on the clinic's Google reviews complaining about what had happened.

Gynaecologist is suspended for refusing to treat a trans patient and saying he is only qualified to deal with 'real women' | Daily Mail Online

Its like someone taking a motorbike to a car garage and the mechanic saying, well what am I supposed to do?

I can tell you how to change the oil and recharge the battery, that`s about it.

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3 hours ago, pellinore said:

A French gynaecologist has been barred from his practice for a month for refusing to examine a transgender patient after he said he was only qualified to treat 'real women'.

Dr Victor Acharian refused to see the 26-year-old patient, who attended the gynaecological appointment with her boyfriend, in August 2023.

He told her that he was 'not competent, but I can guide you' and said that it was not his 'specialty', adding: 'I don't know how to treat them and I don't mind being called ignorant,' Euronews reported. 

The patient reportedly called the doctor 'transphobic' before her partner left a comment on the clinic's Google reviews complaining about what had happened.

Gynaecologist is suspended for refusing to treat a trans patient and saying he is only qualified to deal with 'real women' | Daily Mail Online

This just blows me away.  A canal constructed by inverting a penis is no way needing a gynecologist who is trained in the complicated female reproductive system.  An operation to change the physical body does not change the genetic makeup of that person.   I think their are a lot of people who just can't fathom this.

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3 hours ago, glorybebe said:

This just blows me away.  A canal constructed by inverting a penis is no way needing a gynecologist who is trained in the complicated female reproductive system.  An operation to change the physical body does not change the genetic makeup of that person.   I think their are a lot of people who just can't fathom this.

There seems to be some misunderstanding about what happened here. 

He's been suspended for a month. But not because he refused to treat the patient. The idea that a trans female can be treated by a gynecologist is ludicrous. 

He was suspended for the comments he made at the time. I work in health-care and know that even the more innocuous comments can get you into bother. Patients, on the other hand, can behave however they like.

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What a load of crap

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Weeks after the incident, Acharian apologised for any offence caused and said he had offered to refer the trans patient to a specialist who could provide appropriate medical care.

The patient, however, described his refusal as “hyper-violent”.

“I was in shock,” the patient said. “It was the first time I had suffered this sort of transphobia.”

Acharian said the patient shouted, “you’re transphobic”, and insulted his secretary before leaving the clinic.

“I was only trying to be honest when I said it wasn’t my specialty and I wasn’t competent. I offered to refer her to services that could take better care of her,” he said.

The patient’s partner left a Google review complaining about Acharian’s refusal, and he responded with a message addressed to a “gentleman”, saying that he only treated “real women”.

“I have no skills to take care of men, even if they have shaved their beards and they come and tell my secretary that they have become women. My gynaecological examination table is not suitable for examining men,” Acharian wrote.

 

Seems reasonable.  That medical review board is in the wrong and at a guess populated by activists 

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On 1/31/2025 at 8:28 PM, Arbenol said:

There seems to be some misunderstanding about what happened here. 

He's been suspended for a month. But not because he refused to treat the patient. The idea that a trans female can be treated by a gynecologist is ludicrous. 

He was suspended for the comments he made at the time. I work in health-care and know that even the more innocuous comments can get you into bother. Patients, on the other hand, can behave however they like.

So got suspended from helping people because a crazy person got their feelings hurt?  Stupid AF.

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3 hours ago, OverSword said:

So got suspended from helping people because a crazy person got their feelings hurt?  Stupid AF.

Well you've done it now. You can't call a trans woman crazy, or not a real woman.

As health care professionals we have a duty of care which includes not gratuitously offending our patients. However crazy they might be. Mind you, I work in mental health so all my patients are already crazy.

As it goes, I don't think he should have been suspended. A half day trans-awareness education session would do it. He could have slept through it. That's what the rest of us do.

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On 9/16/2023 at 8:40 AM, pellinore said:

I think she went there deliberately to cause trouble. She must know she hasn't got any lady bits to need attention. It's like those gay men who ordered a cake from a Christian vendor- they know they are going to be refused but they are making a point that they can take to court. My point is (if she does so) if the court agrees she is a woman, then she is entitled to gynae investigations and maternity care, etc.

If she insisted she had gynae problems,and the court does not agree she is a woman, perhaps the specialist doctor would be a psychiatrist. But that would be suggesting her trans status is delusional.

I tend to agree with Richard Dawkins and JK Rowling- males and females are different. And as the French might say "Vive la difference!"

I think you're contradicting yourself.  In one post you cite that if a transwoman believes she has female problems, then she ought to go to Gynae.  Furthermore, you double down on a court determination that if she's legally a woman, then she is entitled to go to Gynae.  However you end the post citing that there are biological differences between males and females which up-ends everything you have written before.

 

Before our topsy-turvy world, it was accepted that gender and sex were fully aligned (for the almost absolute totatlity of the population).  It's now the case that we have a social construct that may be different to biological sex.  To this end, the most liberal interpretation of this maxim is that you can be a female woman, a male woman male, a male man, and a female man.  Just because the legal system allows the expression of a gender other than an individual's biological sex, and that individual exercises this right, it still doesn't stop them from being a male or female respectively from a biological perspective.  As such, the doctor was well beyond the scope of his clinical expertise concerning this individual, and one could even argue that he was likely beyond the scope of his insurance liability cover.  He was right not to treat this individual.

Let's spin this on its head as a thought experiment.  If a transman was pregnant, would they get care from an Obs/Gynae or would they get care from a Urologist?

 

Over to you (Mic Drop). 

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On 9/15/2023 at 8:20 PM, pellinore said:

It is clickbait. It raises an interesting question though. If someone is legally recognised as a particular gender, can someone deny them healthcare for that gender? If they can, then on what grounds? That they are not really their new gender? Then should they get legal recognition?

how do you treat someone for something they literally don't have? Can a biological woman who identifies as a man later on demand to have her testicles checked and ask for a vasectomy? One thing is respecting one's identity ...but this is just ridiculous.

States can legislate all they want, at the end of the day reality kicks you in the ass.

 

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10 hours ago, Vox said:

 you double down on a court determination that if she's legally a woman, then she is entitled to go to Gynae. 

That is the funny thing about the law, it is the law. People can't change the law to suit themselves or anyone else- otherwise there would be no law, just anarchy. I can't just take things from shops because I want them or need them- that would be theft.

If she is legally a woman, she is entitled to female services.

 

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12 minutes ago, pellinore said:

If she is legally a woman, she is entitled to female services.

Okay.  So let's follow this through, logically.  This doc examines her and cannot assess what her problem is because he has not been trained to do that.  He avoids offending her by telling her he thinks she's okay.  He misses diagnosing her testicular cancer and she passes away.  Who do you think gets sued?  In fact, as another member mentioned, what insurance agency would pay such a claim or even agree to issue a policy, anyway?

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