They came from America to build Easter Island

[WVK]

Prof. Joseph Davidovits presents his hypothesis based on scientific data available (as of August 2021), and often misinterpreted, which show the artificial nature of the Easter Island statues. They prove the transfer of knowledge involving the man-made geopolymer stones found in the monuments of Tiwanaku/Pumapunku, located in the Altiplano, Bolivia, South America, to the manufacture of the artificial statues of Easter Island. They demonstrate the relationship between South-America and Easter Island.

https://www.geopolymer.org/library/video/they-came-from-america-to-build-easter-island/

[Kenemet]

He seems bent on proving that every single ancient monument is made from geopolymers.  A good case could be made for Roman concrete but the other examples I've seen from him are very unconvincing.

[WVK]

11 hours ago, Kenemet said:

He seems bent on proving that every single ancient monument is made from geopolymers.  A good case could be made for Roman concrete but the other examples I've seen from him are very unconvincing.

Is it possible to distinguish natural rock from geopolymer? If not then end of discussion.  is his highly technical analysis of the sandstone and andesite of Pumapunka correct or not? 

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, WVK said:

Is it possible to distinguish natural rock from geopolymer? If not then end of discussion.  is his highly technical analysis of the sandstone and andesite of Pumapunka correct or not? 

I am no expert on geopolymers, but from what little I know about rocks, yes.

Rocks form in layers and if you're dealing with sedimentary rocks (as in the case of the Great Pyramid, for example) you can see the layers as they were laid down-- things like ripple patterns and different colored layers as seasons change.  I've seen this in some of the specimens I prepped in the paleontology labs - the paleontologist in charge of the lab explained that the color differences were due to different compositions in the original sediments (think of rotting leaves in a swamp or yearly floods along the Nile.)

A geopolymer wouldn't be laid down as one thin layer no thicker than a coat of paint on a wall or a scrape of butter on bread and allowed to dry and then another thin layer and so forth (think of how many layers of paint on a wall you'd have to lay down to get something the size of one of the big blocks of the Great Pyramid at Giza.) -- and in irregularly shaped molds of unique sizes.  You'd pour it in all at once and let it harden and reuse the same size mold for as many of these as you could make.  You wouldn't tear it apart and make a new mold in a different size and pour in paint-sized layers.

And yes, if you look closely, you can see those layers in the stones at Giza... and if you were dedicated enough you might be able to identify the quarry and area that a particular stone came from.

[Abramelin]

@Swede

Please show up.

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, Kenemet said:

I am no expert on geopolymers, but from what little I know about rocks, yes.

Rocks form in layers and if you're dealing with sedimentary rocks (as in the case of the Great Pyramid, for example) you can see the layers as they were laid down-- things like ripple patterns and different colored layers as seasons change.  I've seen this in some of the specimens I prepped in the paleontology labs - the paleontologist in charge of the lab explained that the color differences were due to different compositions in the original sediments (think of rotting leaves in a swamp or yearly floods along the Nile.)

A geopolymer wouldn't be laid down as one thin layer no thicker than a coat of paint on a wall or a scrape of butter on bread and allowed to dry and then another thin layer and so forth (think of how many layers of paint on a wall you'd have to lay down to get something the size of one of the big blocks of the Great Pyramid at Giza.) -- and in irregularly shaped molds of unique sizes.  You'd pour it in all at once and let it harden and reuse the same size mold for as many of these as you could make.  You wouldn't tear it apart and make a new mold in a different size and pour in paint-sized layers.

And yes, if you look closely, you can see those layers in the stones at Giza... and if you were dedicated enough you might be able to identify the quarry and area that a particular stone came from.

The biggest thing against the Giza pyramid being built with geopolymeres is the presence of fossil shells of molluscs in the building blocks.

 

[Essan]

15 hours ago, Kenemet said:

He seems bent on proving that every single ancient monument is made from geopolymers.  A good case could be made for Roman concrete but the other examples I've seen from him are very unconvincing.

I am surprised he hasn't claimed the Cotswold hills here in England are made of polymers.  He's beyond a joke.  

[Essan]

3 hours ago, WVK said:

Is it possible to distinguish natural rock from geopolymer? 

Yes.  Unless you know less about geology than a dead whelk does about the queen of sheba. 

[WVK]

21 minutes ago, Essan said:

I am surprised he hasn't claimed the Cotswold hills here in England are made of polymers.  He's beyond a joke.  

If he’s beyond a joke then it should be easy for you to list the problems with this for us:

https://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/tiahuanaco-monuments-tiwanaku-pumapunku-bolivia/

[WVK]

2 hours ago, Kenemet said:

I am no expert on geopolymers, but from what little I know about rocks, yes.

Rocks form in layers and if you're dealing with sedimentary rocks (as in the case of the Great Pyramid, for example) you can see the layers as they were laid down-- things like ripple patterns and different colored layers as seasons change.  I've seen this in some of the specimens I prepped in the paleontology labs - the paleontologist in charge of the lab explained that the color differences were due to different compositions in the original sediments (think of rotting leaves in a swamp or yearly floods along the Nile.)

A geopolymer wouldn't be laid down as one thin layer no thicker than a coat of paint on a wall or a scrape of butter on bread and allowed to dry and then another thin layer and so forth (think of how many layers of paint on a wall you'd have to lay down to get something the size of one of the big blocks of the Great Pyramid at Giza.) -- and in irregularly shaped molds of unique sizes.  You'd pour it in all at once and let it harden and reuse the same size mold for as many of these as you could make.  You wouldn't tear it apart and make a new mold in a different size and pour in paint-sized layers.

And yes, if you look closely, you can see those layers in the stones at Giza... and if you were dedicated enough you might be able to identify the quarry and area that a particular stone came from.

Are we talking about Egypt or South America?

[Swede]

On 9/15/2023 at 12:13 PM, WVK said:

Prof. Joseph Davidovits presents his hypothesis based on scientific data available (as of August 2021), and often misinterpreted, which show the artificial nature of the Easter Island statues. They prove the transfer of knowledge involving the man-made geopolymer stones found in the monuments of Tiwanaku/Pumapunku, located in the Altiplano, Bolivia, South America, to the manufacture of the artificial statues of Easter Island. They demonstrate the relationship between South-America and Easter Island.

https://www.geopolymer.org/library/video/they-came-from-america-to-build-easter-island/

Oh my. For starters:

https://imaginarapanui.com/en/easter-island-sightseeing/easter-island-volcanoes/rano-raraku/

Study each content subsection in detail.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/M-Marsella/publication/285525366_Geotechnical_and_geophysical_characterization_of_Moai_statues-Rapa_Nui_Easter_Island_Chile/links/5efe59f5299bf18816fccc10/Geotechnical-and-geophysical-characterization-of-Moai-statues-Rapa-Nui-Easter-Island-Chile.pdf

Study closely.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/eurjmin/article-abstract/22/6/855/69510/The-volcanic-rocks-of-Easter-Island-Chile-and

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[WVK]

2 hours ago, Swede said:

Oh my. For starters:

https://imaginarapanui.com/en/easter-island-sightseeing/easter-island-volcanoes/rano-raraku/

Study each content subsection in detail.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/M-Marsella/publication/285525366_Geotechnical_and_geophysical_characterization_of_Moai_statues-Rapa_Nui_Easter_Island_Chile/links/5efe59f5299bf18816fccc10/Geotechnical-and-geophysical-characterization-of-Moai-statues-Rapa-Nui-Easter-Island-Chile.pdf

Study closely.

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/eurjmin/article-abstract/22/6/855/69510/The-volcanic-rocks-of-Easter-Island-Chile-and

.

Thanks 

[WVK]

1 hour ago, WVK said:

Thanks 

Easter Island Moai made from concrete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to_8dXaWaS8&t=97s

 

[Tatetopa]

I was going to mention the quarries, but there is little more to say.  Nice job @Swede

[Kenemet]

4 hours ago, WVK said:

Are we talking about Egypt or South America?

All of the above.  

[Kenemet]

40 minutes ago, WVK said:

Easter Island Moai made from concrete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to_8dXaWaS8&t=97s

 

Lava and concrete aren't the same.  They're not even vaguely similar.

[WVK]

22 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Lava and concrete aren't the same.  They're not even vaguely similar.

I meant that in humor 

[Hanslune]

So WVK, how do you explain this unfinished Moai? I've walked around this one. It completely finished except for being cut off from its 'stem'.

How about this one?

 

There are (when I last visited Rapa Nui) seven or eight moai in situ at the Rano Raraku volcano quarry site - so did they cast the entire mountain then bash out the moai - leaving some to confuse us?

[WVK]

7 hours ago, Hanslune said:

So WVK, how do you explain this unfinished Moai? I've walked around this one. It completely finished except for being cut off from its 'stem'.

How about this one?

 

There are (when I last visited Rapa Nui) seven or eight moai in situ at the Rano Raraku volcano quarry site - so did they cast the entire mountain then bash out the moai - leaving some to confuse us?

This article appeared on YouTube feed so I posted it. Given the evidence it’s odd such claims were made.

[Swede]

20 hours ago, WVK said:

Thanks 

Pleased to assist.

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[Hanslune]

9 hours ago, WVK said:

This article appeared on YouTube feed so I posted it. Given the evidence it’s odd such claims were made.

Quite common - I call it a fringe chain of belief. One person makes a claim without checking anything and it just develops a life of its own, people repeat it without question. At some point someone - like yourself - does question it but it is now embedded in fringedom and will be reported as fact for the foreseeable ~ future.

[Essan]

10 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Quite common - I call it a fringe chain of belief. One person makes a claim without checking anything and it just develops a life of its own, people repeat it without question. At some point someone - like yourself - does question it but it is now embedded in fringedom and will be reported as fact for the foreseeable ~ future.

Yeah, that happens a lot.   Someone makes a claim, or (re)interprets evidence in a different way.   Someone else quotes them in a book.   The next author uses that book as authority and before you know it, a fringe idea (that never fitted the evidence in the first place) has become a fringe "fact".

[Hanslune]

5 hours ago, Essan said:

Yeah, that happens a lot.   Someone makes a claim, or (re)interprets evidence in a different way.   Someone else quotes them in a book.   The next author uses that book as authority and before you know it, a fringe idea (that never fitted the evidence in the first place) has become a fringe "fact".

Yep, just a few days ago somebody was going on about the Incas saying they didn't build some great masonry structures when the Spanish asked them. They implied it was about those in Cusco. In fact they were talking about Tiwanaku- which was absolutely true they didn't build those. Had to dig out the old Spanish source for the story - some people still won't believe it

[Thanos5150]

5 hours ago, Essan said:

Yeah, that happens a lot.   Someone makes a claim, or (re)interprets evidence in a different way.   Someone else quotes them in a book.   The next author uses that book as authority and before you know it, a fringe idea (that never fitted the evidence in the first place) has become a fringe "fact".

In its own way it works just the same for the mainstream and is human nature regardless of the subject or one's sensibilities. For example, one can see it every day on the news.  

 

[Essan]

2 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

In its own way it works just the same for the mainstream and is human nature regardless of the subject or one's sensibilities. For example, one can see it every day on the news.  

 

Which is why I never trust quotes in newspapers (they are notorious for misquoting out of context and I have known them state quite categorically that person A said "x will happen" when in fact person A said "there is no reason to suppose x will happen")  - and if, for example, it's news based on a piece of science research, I always check the actual research paper, which again, usually draws somewhat different conclusions to the newspaper headline.

This is also why most people in the UK think the Met Office always get the weather forecast wrong!