Study of cardiac arrest survivors offers new insights into NDEs

[UM-Bot]

What exactly goes on in the mind of someone who is in the middle of being resuscitated following a cardiac arrest ?

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/370317/study-of-cardiac-arrest-survivors-offers-new-insights-into-ndes

[Susanc241]

I don’t see anything new here. We already know the brain cells start to die after about 4 minutes of oxygen deprivation. Why shouldn’t consciousness continue in one way or another while there are cells still working?

[preacherman76]

I’m curious exactly what type of brain activity was still going on? And can that, with what we know about the brain, explain the experience they describe? 
 

From previous studies, the brain activity monitored during NDE’s can’t even come close to an explanation. 

[pbarosso]

well, from my experience during hypnosis consciousness CANNOT be originated in anything in these 4 dimensions. otherwise i cannot explain an experience where i was told under hypnosis 30miles away,to shake my sisters bed while she was sleeping and then the next morning upon visiting my parents house she came running out to tell me she had the weirdest dream where i was shaking her in her dream. my friend, the one who knew hypnosis was with me and we were blown away and shocked (we were 19). if consciousness is from this universe and its based on brain activity, then how can you explain this. no smart ass answers!

[Occupational Hubris]

There had better not be an afterlife. I would be so ****ing mad

[+and-then]

On 9/16/2023 at 7:49 AM, Susanc241 said:

I don’t see anything new here. We already know the brain cells start to die after about 4 minutes of oxygen deprivation. Why shouldn’t consciousness continue in one way or another while there are cells still working?

There have been some examples of NDEs that came about during a period of EEG monitoring where no activity was present.  Until proof is found, this phenomenon will remain a matter of people believing based on faith or desire - or lack of same.  One of the most exciting parts of the history of these events, IMO, is how long they've been reported.  I've read that Plato described the NDE in the "Myth of Er" and it had many similarities to the progression reported today.

[+and-then]

8 minutes ago, Occupational Hubris said:

There had better not be an afterlife. I would be so ****ing mad

Why?

[Occupational Hubris]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

Why?

Once is enough for me. Why would i want to keep living, much less for eternity? Sounds horrifying. 

[preacherman76]

23 hours ago, Occupational Hubris said:

There had better not be an afterlife. I would be so ****ing mad

I feel the same about reincarnation. 

[Occupational Hubris]

On 9/18/2023 at 8:26 PM, preacherman76 said:

I feel the same about reincarnation. 

Another terrifying prospect 

[spartan max2]

Hell, I'll take the afterlife or reincarnation. Idk whats up with you guys lol

[Occupational Hubris]

2 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Hell, I'll take the afterlife or reincarnation. Idk whats up with you guys lol

The Void calls to me

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, Occupational Hubris said:

The Void calls to me

That's @Sir Wearer of Hats at a nightclub.

[preacherman76]

On 9/19/2023 at 10:12 PM, spartan max2 said:

Hell, I'll take the afterlife or reincarnation. Idk whats up with you guys lol

I’m cool with an afterlife. I just don’t want to come back here. This was a hard playground to hang out on. I was never thrilled about being here. 

[psyche101]

47 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

I’m cool with an afterlife. I just don’t want to come back here. This was a hard playground to hang out on. I was never thrilled about being here. 

For arguments sake, if it was real, why are you sure it would be better?

For instance, a scenario where pantheism turns out to be correct and we become one with the universe. Well it's dying too, just slowly. I'm not sure that being torn apart slowly over twenty or thirty billion years sounds awesome. Or say the Westboro Baptist church somehow got it right, and gods a total dick and you're stuck there for eternity or extremely painful torture the only alternative.

What then?

[papageorge1]

4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

 

For instance, a scenario where pantheism turns out to be correct and we become one with the universe. Well it's dying too, just slowly. I'm not sure that being torn apart slowly over twenty or thirty billion years sounds awesome.

For a meaningful afterlife in pantheism, we would have a soul that is our 'essence' that exists through many afterlife experiences and incarnations. It is the soul, not matter, that eventually realizes Oneness with the universe.

[psyche101]

7 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

For a meaningful afterlife in pantheism, we would have a soul that is our 'essence' that exists through many afterlife experiences and incarnations. It is the soul, not matter, that eventually realizes Oneness with the universe.

Hypothetically speaking as if one was part of the universe

You do understand entropy yeah? And you understand that the universe is expanding as well? It's slowly tearing itself apart. 

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

Hypothetically speaking as if one was part of the universe

You do understand entropy yeah? And you understand that the universe is expanding as well? It's slowly tearing itself apart. 

I was suggesting our essence is not made of matter/energy that your entropy concept is discussing.

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

I was suggesting our essence is not made of matter/energy that your entropy concept is discussing.

Are you suggest it becomes "one" (for want of a better word) with the universe? 

Because it's slowly coming apart. 

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

Are you suggest it becomes "one" (for want of a better word) with the universe? 

Because it's slowly coming apart. 

Actually one with the One consciousness of which the universe is its derivative.

[psyche101]

7 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Actually one with the One consciousness of which the universe is its derivative.

So not "the universe" as one but something else that isn't actually pantheism? 

4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Hypothetically speaking as if one was part of the universe

You do understand entropy yeah? And you understand that the universe is expanding as well? It's slowly tearing itself apart. 

What's your point then? 

[lightly]

15 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Hypothetically speaking as if one was part of the universe

You do understand entropy yeah? And you understand that the universe is expanding as well? It's slowly tearing itself apart. 

…  if a finite universe is expanding …then the finite amount of Energy from which it is composed becomes less energetic as it disperses???     So it puzzles me as to how the countless newly forming stars, planets, etc.  are being formed ?  I know there are unimaginably immense clouds of dust being formed all the time from exploding stars etc. .and it’s all an ongoing recycling process,   but if the universe is getting thinner and weaker,   how is the continuous creation possible?    …just thought I’d ask, because I figure you might have an interesting answer.  
   ( I suspect it might have something to do with so called ‘dark’ matter….becoming ‘light’ matter. )    
signed, clueless in Cleveland.

Edited September 22 by lightly

[lightly]

22 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

For a meaningful afterlife in pantheism, we would have a soul that is our 'essence' that exists through many afterlife experiences and incarnations. It is the soul, not matter, that eventually realizes Oneness with the universe.

The universe realized oneness with me when I was created.     

[psyche101]

On 9/22/2023 at 11:52 PM, lightly said:

…  if a finite universe is expanding …then the finite amount of Energy from which it is composed becomes less energetic as it disperses???     So it puzzles me as to how the countless newly forming stars, planets, etc.  are being formed ?  I know there are unimaginably immense clouds of dust being formed all the time from exploding stars etc. .and it’s all an ongoing recycling process,   but if the universe is getting thinner and weaker,   how is the continuous creation possible?    …just thought I’d ask, because I figure you might have an interesting answer.  
   ( I suspect it might have something to do with so called ‘dark’ matter….becoming ‘light’ matter. )    
signed, clueless in Cleveland.

It's just expansion. The universe is expanding at about 3.2 million light years a second. In billions of years everything will be so far apart that nothing can interact. 

Heat death, big rip. Both see the universe as dying in around 22 billion years.

[quiXilver]

Assuming we are observing all phenomenon... which is highly doubtful given the small frame of our perceptual modeling apparatus and our technology which is but an extension of those...