Poland to stop arming Ukraine amid grain dispute

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Warsaw has stopped supplying weapons to Kyiv and is focusing on arming itself instead, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Wednesday, amid a dispute over Ukraine’s agricultural exports.

“We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Morawiecki said in an appearance on Polish television channel Polsat, according to European Pravda. “If you don’t want to be on the defensive, you have to have something to defend yourself with,” he added, insisting, though, that the move wouldn’t endanger Ukraine’s security.

Source:  https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-stops-arming-ukraine-amid-grain-fight/

A very interesting, and seemingly sudden move. 

[DarkHunter]

10 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

A very interesting, and seemingly sudden move. 

It's almost certainly not a sudden move but the next step in stupid political drama.

Basically Ukraine has been wanting to sell its grain in Poland which the Polish government has been opposing since an election is coming up next month and the ruling party wants to get the farmers vote to stay in power.  The Polish farmers don't want Ukranian grain sold in Poland cause Ukranian farmers can sell it for far less then Polish farmers can.  Instead of dropping the issue the Ukranian government has been pushing the matter and threatening to file a complaint with the WTO over Poland blocking Ukranian grain.  Ukraine desperately wants to sell its grain in Poland cause they need the revenue and they need to support the Ukranian farmers.  Despite a few cargo ships making it to Ukranian ports most cargo companies will not have their ships dock at and carry Ukranian grain cause the cargo ship's safety can't be guaranteed and thus insurers won't insure the cargo ship so Ukraine can't transport the vast majority of their grain to their usual buyers.  Poland has been threatening Ukraine with various actions if the Ukranian government continued to escalate the issue and now there is Poland no longer sending weapons to Ukraine.

More then likely if Ukraine drops the grain issue or once the Polish elections are over then Poland will start sending weapons and ammunition to Ukraine again.

[Alchopwn]

I think the Poles, who have to date been pretty great friends to Ukraine, haven't done themselves any favors on this issue.  I mean, the world is crying out in hunger for grain right now.  The Poles would do better to bulk buy the Ukraine's grain and sell it on as Polish grain, thus expanding their own market share, but apparently that won't play well to Polish farmers in an election year.  This doesn't seem well thought out by Poland.

[Electric Scooter]

8 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Warsaw has stopped supplying weapons to Kyiv and is focusing on arming itself instead, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Wednesday, amid a dispute over Ukraine’s agricultural exports.

“We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Morawiecki said in an appearance on Polish television channel Polsat, according to European Pravda. “If you don’t want to be on the defensive, you have to have something to defend yourself with,” he added, insisting, though, that the move wouldn’t endanger Ukraine’s security.

Source:  https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-stops-arming-ukraine-amid-grain-fight/

A very interesting, and seemingly sudden move. 

Poland has its elections need year and its farmers are suffering due to the cheap grain, so it has refused to allow Ukrainian grain in.

It is pointless sending token gesture numbers of weapons and vehicles to Ukraine, it isn`t enough to change the outcome of the conflict. If NATO aren`t prepared to commit properly then Ukraine needs to save its people and peace out.

[Buzz_Light_Year]

Poland is still carrying out previously signed contracts for weapons with Ukraine.

 

 

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said:

Poland has its elections need year and its farmers are suffering due to the cheap grain, so it has refused to allow Ukrainian grain in.

It is pointless sending token gesture numbers of weapons and vehicles to Ukraine, it isn`t enough to change the outcome of the conflict. If NATO aren`t prepared to commit properly then Ukraine needs to save its people and peace out.

Hi Cookie

Helping a country maintain it's freedom is not a token gesture no matter what aide they can afford to give. Poland has been supportive and as Buzz has said they will still deliver what they have agreed to give.

Not sure why you think Russia will be victorious given most western countries are ramping up arms production to help the Ukraine protect themselves. They fight because it is their choice to do so, so as long as they want to fight for their independence the west will assist with weapons. This last year the Ukraine has gone into producing both air and water drones which have been quite effective and are likely developing other arms manufacturing of their own. The next few months f16s will be in use which will be a game changer that will put more pressure on Russia..

[jmccr8]

The European Commission is considering the possibility of protecting Poland, Hungary and Slovakia from a claim filed by Ukraine with the WTO regarding the export of agricultural products, the Financial Times writes, citing sources.

Ukraine should withdraw the claim from the court. It is ruining the relationship with the allies. Poland will never agree with it. You can’t force them. A very strange political move from Ukraine.
I know that big grain companies are involved, which are looking for more profit. But in the current situation it opens the second economic front against Ukraine. Ukrainian government is digging down the important relations in the middle of war. Sad 

[jmccr8]

Ukraine and Poland agreed to find a solution that takes into account the interests of both countries regarding the export of grain.

Ukraine and Slovakia also decided to create a licensing system for grain supplies. The ban on imports will be in effect until it is launched. Kyiv promised to withdraw the lawsuit against Bratislava in the WTO and not to ban the import of its goods.

Finally, logic prevails…

[jmccr8]

Zelensky and Duda nevertheless met in New York through the mediation of Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda, - LRT

“It is necessary to find solutions, because further deepening of the crisis would be irresponsible,” Nauseda said, commenting on the differences between Kiev and Warsaw.

The presidents discussed simplifying procedures for transporting grain through Poland and increasing transit through Lithuania. Negotiations will continue in the coming days.

‼️It also became known that the statement by Prime Minister of Poland Morawiecki about stopping the transfer of weapons to Ukraine came as a surprise to the Polish Foreign Ministry, as he did not coordinate it with the department, Polish media write.

Zelensky's press secretary denied his meeting between Polish President Duda and Lithuanian President Nauseda. The Lithuanian media, which became the primary source of the news, have already edited the article.

Vladimir Zelensky arrived at the US Congress, where he will have meetings with a number of congressmen.

Seems like some contridiction so posting both

 

Speaker of the US House of Representatives McCarthy said that he denied Zelensky the opportunity to speak before Congress due to the busyness of legislators.

One news cancels the other

[Electric Scooter]

3 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

Helping a country maintain it's freedom is not a token gesture no matter what aide they can afford to give. Poland has been supportive and as Buzz has said they will still deliver what they have agreed to give.

Not sure why you think Russia will be victorious given most western countries are ramping up arms production to help the Ukraine protect themselves. They fight because it is their choice to do so, so as long as they want to fight for their independence the west will assist with weapons. This last year the Ukraine has gone into producing both air and water drones which have been quite effective and are likely developing other arms manufacturing of their own. The next few months f16s will be in use which will be a game changer that will put more pressure on Russia..

Well as an example take the Ukrainian President telling US congress today they will loose the war unless more aid is given.

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, Electric Scooter said:

Well as an example take the Ukrainian President telling US congress today they will loose the war unless more aid is given.

Hi Cookie

All the world is a stage, of course he is going to say that and it is part and parcel of how politics work.

[Electric Scooter]

1 minute ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

All the world is a stage, of course he is going to say that and it is part and parcel of how politics work.

How many fields and hills and trees has Ukraine captured this week?

[jmccr8]

2 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

How many fields and hills and trees has Ukraine captured this week?

Hi Cookie

How many Russian bases have been hit this week and what cost is that to Russia's ability to maintain it's war effort?  You continuously ignore the big picture.

[Electric Scooter]

24 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

How many Russian bases have been hit this week and what cost is that to Russia's ability to maintain it's war effort?  You continuously ignore the big picture.

The big map picture? The one where Ukraine over the last 4 months has gained 8 villages, 3 hills, 2650 farms and 10,220 trees?

[DarkHunter]

10 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

The big map picture? The one where Ukraine over the last 4 months has gained 8 villages, 3 hills, 2650 farms and 10,220 trees?

How much territory has Russia gained in the same time span.  Also as of today who controls Kherson, Mykolaiv, Odessa, Robotyne, and Klishchiivka

[Only_]

58 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

Well as an example take the Ukrainian President telling US congress today they will loose the war unless more aid is given.

Russia failed to invade Ukraine. Putin's plan now seems to hold on behind fortified defenses until either support for Ukraine drops or there is a change of President in the White House.

Edited September 21 by Only_

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said:

The big map picture? The one where Ukraine over the last 4 months has gained 8 villages, 3 hills, 2650 farms and 10,220 trees?

Hi Cookie

The Ukraine has focused mainly on restricting Russia's ability to be effective by hitting military sites, transport/supply routes, ammo dumps and fuel storage which has been of great benefit to them on the front line.

You seem to be under the illusion that they should have steam rolled in takung massive tracts of land at a time which iis foolish on your part. The Ukraine had to demine areas to advance through to get to the defence llines that Russia dug into and have breached some of those lines advancing to the next defense lines.

This war isn't based on what you think should happen and will progress according to what the Ukraine plans on doing.

[Only_]

14 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I think the Poles, who have to date been pretty great friends to Ukraine, haven't done themselves any favors on this issue.

I'm not sure there is really friendship. Warsaw seems to be backing Ukraine out of self-interests.

They don't want Russian troops at their borders. They already have the Polish-Belarus border to deal with.

Edited September 21 by Only_

[Alchopwn]

8 hours ago, Only_ said:

I'm not sure there is really friendship. Warsaw seems to be backing Ukraine out of self-interests.

They don't want Russian troops at their borders. They already have the Polish-Belarus border to deal with.

Self interest doesn't cover the number of refugees that Poland willingly took in from Ukraine.  Poland doesn't take in refugees from Muslim countries at all.