Antigonos Posted September 23, 2023 #26 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, astrobeing said: I have never seen this book anywhere! I guess people didn't want to look uncool by having it around back then. When we were kids in the 70s, my older brother had a bunch of paperbacks about all kinds of famous “unsolved” mysteries. The ones that documentaries like In Search Of made popular. It was in his collection. You’re right, it doesn’t seem to have gone through many printings. In that era critical works of skepticism about these things didn’t have wide appeal I guess. Another example is author Lawrence David Kusche. His two books The Bermuda Triangle Mystery Solved and The Disappearance of Flight 19 are excellent and recommended reading, but they went through limited printings. Meanwhile major BS artist Charles Berlitz’s book on the Triangle was a bestseller. This was the first edition we had Edited September 23, 2023 by Antigonos 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted September 23, 2023 #27 Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Portre said: How Were the Pyramids Built Clever Egyptians: The workers had first to prepare a firm foundation by removing the loose sand from the rock. Then, the rock base had to be made absolutely flat. The workers may have done this by building low mud walls all around the base and cutting channels in a grid pattern over the surface. Then, they would fill the channels with water and mark the level the water would reach. After the water had drained away, protruding rock would have been cut back to the level indicated, and any depressions filled with stones to make a perfectly level surface. We don't really know...they may have done this or they may have done that...but we don't know. We know how we might do it but all of that is just projecting all of our own knowledge onto the ancient Egyptians. And why? Simply because they conquered the lands where the pyramids are. The larger question I have over how is...why? They served absolutely no purpose to the Egyptians. Why would an ancient culture decide to build buildings that had no use...and spend all of their resources doing it? Why? And...as if that weren't enough...Why would the Aztecs decide to build pyramids which again, served no useful purpose. Generally, and we know this from centuries of experience...Necessity is the mother of invention. What was it that necessitated the pyramids? As long as we are speculating on the questions of how and why, maybe it's okay to speculate as well on maybe they were built by Alien Civilizations and maybe they were built as refueling depots for their spaceships or maybe they used some kind of technology with the particular structures to access and or protect wormhole entry/exit points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted September 24, 2023 #28 Share Posted September 24, 2023 5 hours ago, joc said: We don't really know...they may have done this or they may have done that...but we don't know. We know how we might do it but all of that is just projecting all of our own knowledge onto the ancient Egyptians. And why? Simply because they conquered the lands where the pyramids are. The larger question I have over how is...why? They served absolutely no purpose to the Egyptians. Why would an ancient culture decide to build buildings that had no use...and spend all of their resources doing it? Why? And...as if that weren't enough...Why would the Aztecs decide to build pyramids which again, served no useful purpose. Generally, and we know this from centuries of experience...Necessity is the mother of invention. What was it that necessitated the pyramids? As long as we are speculating on the questions of how and why, maybe it's okay to speculate as well on maybe they were built by Alien Civilizations and maybe they were built as refueling depots for their spaceships or maybe they used some kind of technology with the particular structures to access and or protect wormhole entry/exit points. There is a ton of mystique in Ancient Egypt, and like you, joc, I'm hooked on it. Chris Dunn, a name you may know, did much research in Egypt, and he found a discarded hewn stone in a pit for defective stone pieces. This stone had a cut to it that ran straight and at constant depth. Towards the end, the cut turned up, in a circular fashion. So he did the measurements and determined that the saw was (I think) 19 feet in diameter. There obviously is no record of such a cutting device in Ancient Egypt. Makes one wonder, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted September 24, 2023 #29 Share Posted September 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: There is a ton of mystique in Ancient Egypt, and like you, joc, I'm hooked on it. Chris Dunn, a name you may know, did much research in Egypt, and he found a discarded hewn stone in a pit for defective stone pieces. This stone had a cut to it that ran straight and at constant depth. Towards the end, the cut turned up, in a circular fashion. So he did the measurements and determined that the saw was (I think) 19 feet in diameter. There obviously is no record of such a cutting device in Ancient Egypt. Makes one wonder, eh? Yes sir! It does indeed! I wonder a lot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portre Posted September 24, 2023 #30 Share Posted September 24, 2023 22 hours ago, joc said: We don't really know...they may have done this or they may have done that...but we don't know. We know how we might do it but all of that is just projecting all of our own knowledge onto the ancient Egyptians. And why? Simply because they conquered the lands where the pyramids are. The larger question I have over how is...why? They served absolutely no purpose to the Egyptians. Why would an ancient culture decide to build buildings that had no use...and spend all of their resources doing it? Why? And...as if that weren't enough...Why would the Aztecs decide to build pyramids which again, served no useful purpose. Generally, and we know this from centuries of experience...Necessity is the mother of invention. What was it that necessitated the pyramids? As long as we are speculating on the questions of how and why, maybe it's okay to speculate as well on maybe they were built by Alien Civilizations and maybe they were built as refueling depots for their spaceships or maybe they used some kind of technology with the particular structures to access and or protect wormhole entry/exit points. Who built the Egyptian pyramids? There are many theories about who built Egypt's pyramids, including large teams of enslaved Jewish people and wilder ideas, such as inhabitants of the 'lost' city of Atlantis or even aliens. None of these theories, however, have evidence to back them up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted September 24, 2023 #31 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Portre said: Who built the Egyptian pyramids? There are many theories about who built Egypt's pyramids, including large teams of enslaved Jewish people and wilder ideas, such as inhabitants of the 'lost' city of Atlantis or even aliens. None of these theories, however, have evidence to back them up. Yes...exactly! Lots of theories. No evidence. I did take a look at the website. I know they say Aliens didn't build them...but still we have no evidence, besides Egyptologists saying so.. who actually did. We have a lot more evidence that they were built by Aliens the natives called Gods, than we do that the natives built them. Biblically speaking...i.e. from the Bible. Aside from Temples, I can only think of one time the people were said to have built anything substantial...and that was the Tower of Babel. And...when they did build that tower, they did it out of egocentric, in your face, attitudes...not because they needed a Tower, but because they said to themselves...let's build a tower so freaking high it will reach to the heavens...and that should be a clue that they didn't really have a clue. They had been doing all the work, but didn't have any of the ingenuity behind what they were doing...so they built it so high it collapsed. Because they didn't have a clue about building anything...just do this, do that. Edited September 24, 2023 by joc 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted September 25, 2023 #32 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 10:45 AM, Antigonos said: When we were kids in the 70s, my older brother had a bunch of paperbacks about all kinds of famous “unsolved” mysteries. The ones that documentaries like In Search Of made popular. It was in his collection. I still have my collection of unexplained phenomena from the 70s. The paperbacks are falling apart almost as fast as the stories fell apart. So many of these things fascinated me as a kid because the books declared them as undeniable proof of whatever. Now I can see how many of these stories had serious holes in them. On 9/23/2023 at 10:45 AM, Antigonos said: You’re right, it doesn’t seem to have gone through many printings. In that era critical works of skepticism about these things didn’t have wide appeal I guess. Another example is author Lawrence David Kusche. His two books The Bermuda Triangle Mystery Solved and The Disappearance of Flight 19 are excellent and recommended reading, but they went through limited printings. Meanwhile major BS artist Charles Berlitz’s book on the Triangle was a bestseller. A huge driver of this was the daytime talk shows of that period. These authors would make the rounds of these shows hawking their books as if they were scientists. I mentioned George Lutz selling his Amityville Horror story in another thread but I remember dozens of people like him on the Mike Douglas Show telling wild tales about ghosts and alien abductions with the audience gasping at every twist. I don't remember seeing any skeptics on these shows although I probably wouldn't have remembered them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted September 25, 2023 #33 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 hours ago, astrobeing said: I remember dozens of people like him on the Mike Douglas Show telling wild tales about ghosts and alien abductions with the audience gasping at every twist. I don't remember seeing any skeptics on these shows although I probably wouldn't have remembered them. It sounds like you could have been listening to Art Bell's Coast to Coast AM show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted September 28, 2023 #34 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/25/2023 at 4:26 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said: It sounds like you could have been listening to Art Bell's Coast to Coast AM show The difference is that Art Bell's show was nothing but crazy stuff. The daytime talk shows were mostly normal talk shows with movie stars plugging their movies, pop stars lip-syncing to their latest hits, occasional legitimate magicians doing tricks and "mentalists" like the Amazing Kreskin also doing magic tricks but implying that he was using actual ESP. Then they'd have regular everyday people who claimed to have had encounters with aliens or ghosts or Bigfoot which made these people also seem legitimate, as if these things were part of the 20th century human experience now. They really helped make people think that these things just had to exist, no doubt whatsoever. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted September 30, 2023 #35 Share Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 1:20 PM, astrobeing said: Then they'd have regular everyday people who claimed to have had encounters with aliens or ghosts or Bigfoot which made these people also seem legitimate, as if these things were part of the 20th century human experience now. They really helped make people think that these things just had to exist, no doubt whatsoever. Well, there is no doubt in my mind that UFOs exist. I've seen one, my father was present when a photo was taken of 4 UFOs hovering. That made quite a sensation. Were they aliens flying that thing...? who the heck knows, I never saw the inside of it so I don't know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted October 3, 2023 #36 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 8:29 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Well, there is no doubt in my mind that UFOs exist. I've seen one, my father was present when a photo was taken of 4 UFOs hovering. That made quite a sensation. In decades of standing out in a dark and cold night do astrophotography I have seen many things that looked like UFOs from beyond the Moon. But they weren't. I've learned that there are a lot of things in the sky that people would assume were alien spacecraft because we've been told our whole lives that's what they are. It's 100% confirmation bias. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosey.Matters Posted October 3, 2023 #37 Share Posted October 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, astrobeing said: In decades of standing out in a dark and cold night do astrophotography I have seen many things that looked like UFOs from beyond the Moon. But they weren't. I've learned that there are a lot of things in the sky that people would assume were alien spacecraft because we've been told our whole lives that's what they are. It's 100% confirmation bias. Somebody would have spotted one, amateur astronomists. Other, nobody in Canada ever cut a track of squatch on their polecat/snowcat. [snow-mobile] That being said, when I was a kid we [loggers] were on the side of a mountain/cliff basically on a skid only trail being used for a road and a flare thing zipped down through a saddle. [deep valley] Not much was said about it, not to me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esoteric_toad Posted October 3, 2023 #38 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Every time the building of the pyramids is attribute to anything other than the culture that lived there during that time it is basically saying the people that lived then were incapable of doing so. Seems like borderline racism, jmo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted October 3, 2023 #39 Share Posted October 3, 2023 5 hours ago, astrobeing said: In decades of standing out in a dark and cold night do astrophotography I have seen many things that looked like UFOs from beyond the Moon. But they weren't. I've learned that there are a lot of things in the sky that people would assume were alien spacecraft because we've been told our whole lives that's what they are. It's 100% confirmation bias. That's nice, astro. we are talking about crafts that hovered for quite a while. We don't need your interpretation to help us understand. In other words,, YOU WEREN'T THERE. So don't appoint yourself King of the Sightings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted October 4, 2023 #40 Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: That's nice, astro. we are talking about crafts that hovered for quite a while. We don't need your interpretation to help us understand. In other words,, YOU WEREN'T THERE. So don't appoint yourself King of the Sightings. Are you talking about craft or aerial phenomena? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted October 4, 2023 #41 Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 hours ago, Golden Duck said: Are you talking about craft or aerial phenomena? craft - as in, it is a geometrically designed definitely not random junk on the air. But what does it matter, GD, no one takes anyone's word for anything in here, so I don't intend to try to support my sighting. My father's sighting was accompanied by the most iconic photo of the era, and many eyewitnesses. and that makes no difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted October 4, 2023 #42 Share Posted October 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: craft - as in, it is a geometrically designed definitely not random junk on the air. But what does it matter, GD, no one takes anyone's word for anything in here, so I don't intend to try to support my sighting. My father's sighting was accompanied by the most iconic photo of the era, and many eyewitnesses. and that makes no difference. So you know the design process of these "craft" - but don't know enough to identify them. The thing with the ET visitation hypothesis is that nothing supports it but god-of-the-gaps type excuses. Even with this iconic photo we have to believe that the photo was taken from within a photo lab with the windows open - dispelling the idea that the lights were reflections; while, at the same time believe that the lights didn't reflect off the geometrically designed surfaces of the automobiles in the photo. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapusoul Posted October 4, 2023 #43 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I'm skeptical these days, but I find the Silurian hypothesis interesting ▶️ The Silurian hypothesis: would it be possible to detect an industrial civilization in the geological record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted October 5, 2023 #44 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Golden Duck said: So you know the design process of these "craft" - but don't know enough to identify them. That's a very good description. What do you do with the enormous A-frame UFO? The best you can do is describe it. You won't refer to it like a 2022 Camry, ya know? 4 hours ago, Golden Duck said: The thing with the ET visitation hypothesis is that nothing supports it but god-of-the-gaps type excuses. Say what??? lol. go look at the thread next door, NASA has confirmed what Grusch testified to congress: there is a hidden program within the military that has recovered UFOs and they are not of this world. Quote Even with this iconic photo we have to believe that the photo was taken from within a photo lab with the windows open - dispelling the idea that the lights were reflections; while, at the same time believe that the lights didn't reflect off the geometrically designed surfaces of the automobiles in the photo. The photo was taken through a window with the glass taken out. That is what got Project Bluebook in trouble, they thought it was a reflection in the window. Oh, well. The objects were self-illuminating. The photographer said, he ran to get his camera and to tell his workmate what was going on. When he got back to the window, he noticed that the crafts grew dim, so he waited. And when the objects lit up, he took the pic. Also, there were many eyewitnesses, my father included, and sone who went to the roof of the power plant (building in background) where another photo was taken You have nowhere to go on this one. Edited October 5, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted October 5, 2023 #45 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: That's a very good description. What do you do with the enormous A-frame UFO? The best you can do is describe it. You won't refer to it like a 2022 Camry, ya know? Say what??? lol. go look at the thread next door, NASA has confirmed what Grusch testified to congress: there is a hidden program within the military that has recovered UFOs and they are not of this world. The photo was taken through a window with the glass taken out. That is what got Project Bluebook in trouble, they thought it was a reflection in the window. Oh, well. The objects were self-illuminating. The photographer said, he ran to get his camera and to tell his workmate what was going on. When he got back to the window, he noticed that the crafts grew dim, so he waited. And when the objects lit up, he took the pic. Also, there were many eyewitnesses, my father included, and sone who went to the roof of the power plant (building in background) where another photo was taken You have nowhere to go on this one. NASA has confirmed no such thing in regard to recovery/retrieval of extraterrestrial craft. That other thread is very disingenuous as to what has been occurring. They are studying the UAP phenomenon. ETH believer have been clinging to the Grusch statements for dear life as they think it is some sort of smoking gun. His testimony in front of congress was nothing groundbreaking. He simply answered the easy questions from the panel which simply allowed for him to re-tell his story. Notably with some changes/additions to his initial complaint submitted tot he DoD Whistleblower branch. But that's a topic for another time. So, you saw lights, and that makes it an alien craft? Or it was something physical you aren't familiar with? Obviously alien, sheesh. I have no doubt you believe you saw something. The likelihood that it was an extraterrestrial craft is zero. One follow up question, who did you report this sighting to? Edited October 5, 2023 by Trelane 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted October 5, 2023 #46 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Trelane said: I have no doubt you believe you saw something. The likelihood that it was an extraterrestrial craft is zero. IGNORED. You are not qualified to say what that hovering craft was - especially when you never even saw it. 7 hours ago, Trelane said: One follow up question, who did you report this sighting to? Have you noticed a distinct disconnect in our communications lately? Hmmm. You're delusional if you think I'm going to discuss it with you, mister cherrypick. The thread that I mentioned above was labeled as - NASA admitting what Grusch testified to. But believe me, I'm not going to argue facts with you. Here's the thread NAME NASA Confirms Whistleblower Claims the Government is Studying UFOs of Non-Human Origin Edited October 5, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted October 5, 2023 #47 Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 10/3/2023 at 3:30 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said: That's nice, astro. we are talking about crafts that hovered for quite a while. We don't need your interpretation to help us understand. That's nice, Earl. But to help yourself understand what you saw you need to learn about other sightings that are similar to yours and how what you see can be misinterpreted. I've had decades of experience with this. But it sounds like you would rather choose to believe what you want to believe, reality be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted October 5, 2023 #48 Share Posted October 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, astrobeing said: That's nice, Earl. But to help yourself understand what you saw you need to learn about other sightings that are similar to yours and how what you see can be misinterpreted. I've had decades of experience with this. Astro... I have been doing exactly that for the dozen years I've been here and more. And why is it when people see a UFO, they are... misinterpreting. Hmmm.... 4 minutes ago, astrobeing said: But it sounds like you would rather choose to believe what you want to believe, reality be damned. Mon ami,, you're a good writer in here but if it's one thing I learned in here, it's to know when somebody is just salivating, trying to change my mind about UFO's. I have no hardcore evidence, unlike my father's sighting that had a famous photo to accompany it. And that is why I like to show it. Have a nice day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted October 6, 2023 #49 Share Posted October 6, 2023 6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: IGNORED. You are not qualified to say what that hovering craft was - especially when you never even saw it. Have you noticed a distinct disconnect in our communications lately? Hmmm. You're delusional if you think I'm going to discuss it with you, mister cherrypick. The thread that I mentioned above was labeled as - NASA admitting what Grusch testified to. But believe me, I'm not going to argue facts with you. Here's the thread NAME NASA Confirms Whistleblower Claims the Government is Studying UFOs of Non-Human Origin Can you quote the bit where NASA refers to Grusch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted October 6, 2023 #50 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) It gets tiresome to read over and over the same people telling someone who had an experience, whether it is lights in the sky or ghosts or big foot, that they are wrong, people who weren't there but seem to know more than the experiencer. All of these things are subject to interpretation, first, it is something that is unexplained and usually the experiencer looks for an explanation before they decide on one. (Usually) but even if they don't, just decide immediately what their experience means, it is still rude to tell them that they are wrong when you wern't there. It doesn't even matter if you believe them or not. Well, maybe, if you don't believe them, you could just walk away instead of arguing about it since you weren't there. Edited October 6, 2023 by Desertrat56 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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