Chariots of the gods: how UFOs left their mark in ancient cultures

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Your example is not an experience, it is an assumption by those scientists made before they had all the data, OR they were selling something, but it was not an experience.   There is a difference from scientists making a false claim or claiming something before all the data is verified and someone telling about a weird mysterious experience they had.  They had the experience, to them it was real.  There could be a plethora of explanations and just saying "it can't happen" is dismissive and rude.    Why are you taking what I said personally?   Are you someone who tries to debunk, denounce and denigrate people who share their expeirences?   Yes, some people make stuff up to get attention, those stories fall apart as soon as someone asks a reasonable question, but a lot of people have unexplained or unexplainable experiences.   

Or do you just need the link to dictionary.com to understand what the word experience means?

This IS a discussion forum.  If one chooses to present their experience, they can expect it to be discussed.  If one takes takes replies personally so they try to dismiss them as rude, then perhaps one perhaps should choose to tell of their experiences in a safe space.

Experiences end up being nothing more than memories.  If one continues to tell of the memorable experience of meeting Bugs Bunny at Disneyland that experience can be dismissed as impossible.

https://www.washington.edu/news/2001/06/11/i-tawt-i-taw-a-bunny-wabbit-at-disneyland-new-evidence-shows-false-memories-can-be-created/

@Desertrat56, you probably won't reply to this post - you probably have me on ignore.  When you're prosented with facts that contradicts your personal assertions you go silent.

[XenoFish]

On 10/6/2023 at 9:58 AM, Desertrat56 said:

It doesn't even matter if you believe them or not.   Well, maybe, if you don't believe them, you could just walk away instead of arguing about it since you weren't there.

You sound just like those who come here with an experience, ask for an explanation, then throw a fit if they don't get the answer/s they want. 

[spud the mackem]

On 10/6/2023 at 2:58 PM, Desertrat56 said:

It gets tiresome to read over and over the same people telling someone who had an experience, whether it is lights in the sky or ghosts or big foot, that they are wrong, people who weren't there but seem to know more than the experiencer.   All of these things are subject to interpretation, first, it is something that is unexplained and usually the experiencer looks for an explanation before they decide on one.   (Usually)  but even if they don't, just decide immediately what their experience means, it is still rude to tell them that they are wrong when you wern't there.

It doesn't even matter if you believe them or not.   Well, maybe, if you don't believe them, you could just walk away instead of arguing about it since you weren't there.

I agree with you totally , a lot of people here try their best to "shoot down " other people who have experienced an unexplained phenomenon , I believe that I saw something extraordinary a long time ago but kept quiet about it because people thought at the time that you were bordering on being mental .

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

33 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You sound just like those who come here with an experience, ask for an explanation, then throw a fit if they don't get the answer/s they want. 

right on, XenoFish. That's what I get from sceptics all the time, hissy fits, bullying, the usual stuff.

[XenoFish]

9 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

right on, XenoFish. That's what I get from sceptics all the time, hissy fits, bullying, the usual stuff.

Good job, you’ve earned it.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

7 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I don't know everything and there are big holes in our scientific understanding of the universe when it comes to non-physical phemomena and consciousness for two thing that scientists have not explored much.

For sure. Scientists don't know if the multi-verse exists, and certainly can't say if interdimensional travel is how the UAP's arrive here - as one example.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

47 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You sound just like those who come here with an experience, ask for an explanation, then throw a fit if they don't get the answer/s they want. 

and you would be 100% wrong.

Desertrat is a cool customer with an open but tempered mind.

Have fun, Xeno. Life's too short. 

[spud the mackem]

13 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

right on, XenoFish. That's what I get from sceptics all the time, hissy fits, bullying, the usual stuff.

Hi , when the guys above (sceptics etc) see something that they can try and debunk , they do not hesitate to attack the person who writes the article , I think that these people are Ignorant and not worth arguing with .

[XenoFish]

Just now, spud the mackem said:

Hi , when the guys above (sceptics etc) see something that they can try and debunk , they do not hesitate to attack the person who writes the article , I think that these people are Ignorant and not worth arguing with .

So, echo chambers are better? 

[Trelane]

55 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

Hi , when the guys above (sceptics etc) see something that they can try and debunk , they do not hesitate to attack the person who writes the article , I think that these people are Ignorant and not worth arguing with .

That's not really accurate though. Not everyone that is skeptical attacks the various posters. We analyze and question the content. Based on what is presented there usually comes further and more difficult questions, or occasionally dismissal due to quality of information provided/posited. There's a big difference.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Trelane

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, spud the mackem said:

Hi , when the guys above (sceptics etc) see something that they can try and debunk , they do not hesitate to attack the person who writes the article , I think that these people are Ignorant and not worth arguing with .

I try not to argue. it gets old. Sometimes, though, its unavoidable. Have a good one

[Phantom309]

5 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

Hi , when the guys above (sceptics etc) see something that they can try and debunk , they do not hesitate to attack the person who writes the article , I think that these people are Ignorant and not worth arguing with .

Yes Spud, that's seems to be their modus operandi when things are presented to them they can't handle.

My tool of choice is the ignore feature, hell, I must have 7-8 of those clowns in my private little penalty box by now.

Anyway, here's some interesting commentary on UFO's and the extraterrestrial presence here on earth from former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer. He worked with our military personnel for a number of years on matters of mutual defense. 

 

 

[+joc]

6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

For sure. Scientists don't know if the multi-verse exists, and certainly can't say if interdimensional travel is how the UAP's arrive here - as one example.

I am somewhat curious about Quantum Entanglement of brain waves...specifically Lambda Waves.  I don't know if Lambda Waves can leave the body through the eyes...but let's say they can...just for giggles.  Brain wave scientists say that Lambda Waves ride on Epsilon Waves and vice versa.  And they say the in general brain waves are not powerful enough to leave the skull, but if they could they wouldn't go very far.  But what if Lambda Waves could 'ride' on a much more higher frequency light wave...let' say maybe, a laser.  If we can broadcast pictures, sound, video, through space...why couldn't Brain Waves...maybe even regular Beta Waves, be 'broadcast' on the beam of a much more powerful wave?

Just thinking out loud about things I know relatively nothing about.

[Hazzard]

14 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

I agree with you totally , a lot of people here try their best to "shoot down " other people who have experienced an unexplained phenomenon , I believe that I saw something extraordinary a long time ago but kept quiet about it because people thought at the time that you were bordering on being mental .

Thats just the thing. People who have experienced something "special" can often feel special and "chosen"... and they will fight very hard to keep that feeling. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Hazzard

[+joc]

7 hours ago, Phantom309 said:

Yes Spud, that's seems to be their modus operandi when things are presented to them they can't handle.

My tool of choice is the ignore feature, hell, I must have 7-8 of those clowns in my private little penalty box by now.

Anyway, here's some interesting commentary on UFO's and the extraterrestrial presence here on earth from former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer. He worked with our military personnel for a number of years on matters of mutual defense. 

 

 

Quote

"So, they came down in larger and larger numbers and have been taking inventory of all of the American bases and Russian bases and Chinese bases, all of the bases, doing inventory, finding out exactly where they are, where the nuclear installations , the power installations are and all that sort of thing—for what purpose exactly, I don't know, but so that they will have the information on tap so that if we start doing anything silly, that they might in fact try to intervene."

Yeah, he has no idea what he is even talking about.  'If we start doing anything silly, that thy might in fact try to intervene' ??? Good lord, what does that even mean?  

So, we are suppose to believe that these Aliens who have always been here are just 'monitoring' us in case we decide to do something silly??  Like what?  Start throwing Hypersonic Nuclear Missiles around??  Like they could stop them if they wanted to?  

I'm beginning to think that there is no 'real' in reality anymore.  Just stupid old men spouting their best guesses for something they know nothing about on an international forum.  

 

[+Desertrat56]

18 hours ago, XenoFish said:

You sound just like those who come here with an experience, ask for an explanation, then throw a fit if they don't get the answer/s they want. 

No I don't.  Have I ever described an experience (yes), have I ever asked for an explanation, NO.   I am not just like any of what you say.   Have I thrown a fit because someone didn't believe my experience?   No, I usually ignore those who want to claim I am wrong about something they didn't witness.   I have pitched fits, like now, when I am accused of acting like someone else.   You know better.  Somehow you took my diatribe personally, and that is yours not mine.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Desertrat56

[XenoFish]

13 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

No I don't.  Have I ever described an experience (yes), have I ever asked for an explanation, NO.   I am not just like any of what you say.   Have I thrown a fit because someone didn't believe my experience?   No, I usually ignore those who want to claim I am wrong about something they didn't witness.   I have pitched fits, like now, when I am accused of acting like someone else.   You know better.  Somehow you took my diatribe personally, and that is yours not mine.

You're making the same complaint. That's exactly how it sounds. It's nothing personal. I just see it a lot more these days. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

18 hours ago, joc said:

I am somewhat curious about Quantum Entanglement of brain waves...specifically Lambda Waves.  I don't know if Lambda Waves can leave the body through the eyes...but let's say they can...just for giggles.  Brain wave scientists say that Lambda Waves ride on Epsilon Waves and vice versa.  And they say the in general brain waves are not powerful enough to leave the skull, but if they could they wouldn't go very far.  But what if Lambda Waves could 'ride' on a much more higher frequency light wave...let' say maybe, a laser.  If we can broadcast pictures, sound, video, through space...why couldn't Brain Waves...maybe even regular Beta Waves, be 'broadcast' on the beam of a much more powerful wave?

Just thinking out loud about things I know relatively nothing about.

Far out, man

If you are depending in laser light, you already defeated the purpose of quantum entanglement, I would think. Laser light is slow-mo, man.
You need to start out with two sets of brain waves entangling, and one set sent far far away. Now you have a chance.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Far out, man

If you are depending in laser light, you already defeated the purpose of quantum entanglement, I would think. Laser light is slow-mo, man.
You need to start out with two sets of brain waves entangling, and one set sent far far away. Now you have a chance.

Like I said I don't know nothing.  But...I do know that brain waves can become entangled...so...seems to me that alot of things could be explained like...you are thinking of your friend  you haven't thought of in years and the phone rings and it's that friend.  I started thinking about this because I was watching a video of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar ( because there is a thread about him) and he relates this story of how he just really wanted to see this basement and then wanted to see the room where someone lived in the basement and there was this candle that was just about ready to catch the whole place on fire.  I commented maybe he 'smelled' it...but then I thought, no man, gotta be something more than that.  And, he had a connection to that basement not having been in it for years.  

So I started thinking about Q entanglement of brain waves and wallah...that's where it went. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

24 minutes ago, joc said:

Like I said I don't know nothing.  But...I do know that brain waves can become entangled...so...seems to me that alot of things could be explained like...you are thinking of your friend  you haven't thought of in years and the phone rings and it's that friend.  I started thinking about this because I was watching a video of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar ( because there is a thread about him) and he relates this story of how he just really wanted to see this basement and then wanted to see the room where someone lived in the basement and there was this candle that was just about ready to catch the whole place on fire.  I commented maybe he 'smelled' it...but then I thought, no man, gotta be something more than that.  And, he had a connection to that basement not having been in it for years.  

So I started thinking about Q entanglement of brain waves and wallah...that's where it went. 

It very well could be a real phenomena, and of so, you may have just explained a whole lot of ESP incidents.

So if two people that meld their brain waves, you can out one a billion miles away and have some kind of communication.
But it gets sticky because brain waves are always being produced. So, your new brain waves would not have been in contact with your friend's new brain waves.
So can they still communicate via entanglement?? Not sure, man

Edited October 9, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps

[+joc]

3 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

It very well could be a real phenomena, and of so, you may have just explained a whole lot of ESP incidents.

So if two people that meld their brain waves, you can out one a billion miles away and have some kind of communication.
But it gets sticky because brain waves are always being produced. So, your new brain waves would not have been in contact with your friend's new brain waves.
So can they still communicate via entanglement?? Not sure, man

Well, though, not all brain waves are entangled...but...like I said...I know nothing about any of it.  Just a curious thought process I had.  Also some brain scientists think that brain waves may travel through the brain in waves, kind of like ocean waves.  There is a lot we don't know about all of that.  So, if we are just going to go with not knowing, I'm cool with that too...but I think there are a lot of things to consider...

[psyche101]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Far out, man

If you are depending in laser light, you already defeated the purpose of quantum entanglement, I would think. Laser light is slow-mo, man.
You need to start out with two sets of brain waves entangling, and one set sent far far away. Now you have a chance.

Entanglement doesn't exceed the speed of light. 

https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/topics/quantum-science-explained/entanglement#:~:text=A common misconception about entanglement,faster-than-light communications.

[+joc]

3 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Entanglement doesn't exceed the speed of light. 

https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/topics/quantum-science-explained/entanglement#:~:text=A common misconception about entanglement,faster-than-light communications.

I'm not really talking about faster than the speed of light.  I'm just talking about brain waves possibly riding along on other frequencies of light outside the body.  If Landam Waves and Epsilon Waves piggy back each other...do  you think it is possible for brain waves to ride along on other frequencies...maybe radio waves?  So, maybe, you know...you are rocking out to AC/DC and you are thinking about somebody...and they then become receptors of the radio waves due to the brain wave entanglement and think...'I should call Psyche!'...things of that nature...

they...being your friend...whose own brain waves are tuned to your own and pick out those waves as the radio signals pass through their body.

Edited October 10, 2023 by joc

[Kenemet]

On 10/8/2023 at 9:50 PM, joc said:

I am somewhat curious about Quantum Entanglement of brain waves...specifically Lambda Waves. 

There's no such thing (except for completely fabricated mystical ideas.)  Quantum Entanglement works only at the subatomic level: https://www.space.com/31933-quantum-entanglement-action-at-a-distance.html#:~:text=Quantum entanglement is a bizarre,one will affect the other.

[+joc]

5 hours ago, Kenemet said:

There's no such thing (except for completely fabricated mystical ideas.)  Quantum Entanglement works only at the subatomic level: https://www.space.com/31933-quantum-entanglement-action-at-a-distance.html#:~:text=Quantum entanglement is a bizarre,one will affect the other.

Thanks!  That entire explanation of QE made complete total sense to me and at the same time made absolutely zero sense.    But now I know the contention (sort of) between QE and the speed of light.  I remain however; completely and utterly lost at understanding Randomness travelling faster than the speed of light.  So, if the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, and the universe is comprised of mostly 'dark matter' and 'randomness' travels faster than the speed of light, then is randomness a state of dark matter?  Is QE in effect caused by the speed at which dark matter travels?  Or is it that the entire idea of QE altogether is a fabricated mystical idea?