Chariots of the gods: how UFOs left their mark in ancient cultures

[+Desertrat56]

On 10/8/2023 at 8:50 PM, joc said:

I am somewhat curious about Quantum Entanglement of brain waves...specifically Lambda Waves.  I don't know if Lambda Waves can leave the body through the eyes...but let's say they can...just for giggles.  Brain wave scientists say that Lambda Waves ride on Epsilon Waves and vice versa.  And they say the in general brain waves are not powerful enough to leave the skull, but if they could they wouldn't go very far.  But what if Lambda Waves could 'ride' on a much more higher frequency light wave...let' say maybe, a laser.  If we can broadcast pictures, sound, video, through space...why couldn't Brain Waves...maybe even regular Beta Waves, be 'broadcast' on the beam of a much more powerful wave?

Just thinking out loud about things I know relatively nothing about.

Are you talking about telepathy?   The problem with the theory that brain waves can't leave the skull is that it discounts the possibility of our consciousness being other than physical.   Even insisting that our consciousness is just chemicals and electrical activity in the brain, this theory falls apart because of the idea of thoughts being waves.   But I am knee jerk responding because I have never heard of this before.  Now I need to do some research.

[+Desertrat56]

On 10/8/2023 at 2:25 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

right on, XenoFish. That's what I get from sceptics all the time, hissy fits, bullying, the usual stuff.

Those aren't skeptics that give you all that guff, those are fear biting debunkers.  Skeptics would ask questions.  @spud the mackem @Phantom309

Edited October 10, 2023 by Desertrat56

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, joc said:

Thanks!  That entire explanation of QE made complete total sense to me and at the same time made absolutely zero sense.    But now I know the contention (sort of) between QE and the speed of light.  I remain however; completely and utterly lost at understanding Randomness travelling faster than the speed of light.  So, if the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, and the universe is comprised of mostly 'dark matter' and 'randomness' travels faster than the speed of light, then is randomness a state of dark matter?  

The universe is expanding much more slowly than that: https://www.space.com/hubble-constant-measured-supernova-gravitational-lensing

And randomness doesn't travel.  It's a property, like being "blue" or "flat" or "salty."

In reading a bit farther, I see that quantum entanglement has been demonstrated (still with subatomic particles, though) ...but it can't be used for "faster than light communications" (the Wikipedia article touches on that briefly.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement#:~:text=Quantum entanglement has been demonstrated,area of research and development.

QE is a buzzword grabbed by mystics who are trying to "scientifically" explain things like telepathy.  They see things like "waveform" and start thinking "brain waves" and "light waves" and what's really going on is nothing like that.

[astrobeing]

On 10/7/2023 at 11:08 AM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

1. And did it ever occur to you that it is also very easy to get something RIGHT. According to you, a person that claims that he saw a helicopter is mistaken! Everyone is mistaken!
(no cherrypicking, now)

 2. The UFO's in the photo prove that you really don't know what you're talking about. Those crafts hovered for 5 minutes or so, and then flew off.
you're sating that your experience must be what everyone else experiences, but you are wrong.

Have a good one, astrobeing.

You think these shapeless blobs of light are "crafts"? Really?

Thank you, Earl. You've demonstrated how we've been conditioned to believe that anything strange in the sky must be a spacecraft from beyond the Moon.

That's assuming this photo isn't a fake. Anyone with a film camera can make this simple double exposure in two minutes.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

3 hours ago, astrobeing said:

1. You think these shapeless blobs of light are "crafts"? Really?

2. Thank you, Earl. You've demonstrated how we've been conditioned to believe that anything strange in the sky must be a spacecraft from beyond the Moon.

3. That's assuming this photo isn't a fake. Anyone with a film camera can make this simple double exposure in two minutes.

1] Yes, they are crafts.  They flew silently and in unison so quickly, they have to be called aircrafts.What... they don't have wings...? Neither do helicopters and balloons.
Personally, I don;t know how you look at something like that and just write it off because you have never seen them before.So tell ,me what they are, astrobeing.

2] That's not funny astro and is something I did not expect from you. You forget my father was one of many witnesses to that incident.?

3] The photo is not fake. Project Bluebook never said it was fake, and it's been around for 70 years and no researcher has that opinion. and finally,
you keep forgetting there were many eyewitnesses. My father was one such witness and he and other workers in the power plant went to the
roof of the plant and a man names Lewis Johnson took a photo from up there. There were also people in the neighborhood who witnessed them.

Now, I think we agree that the lighted things in the photo are Objects. And I think we agree that the objects Flew in and flew away after spending some time hovering in the bay.
Now, no one has ever been able to say what they are. I agree, and I am sure you do as well, the objects are Unidentified, which of course, makes them UFO's

[Trelane]

Unidentified, yes. 

Extraterrestrial craft, no.

[Kenemet]

10 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Are you talking about telepathy?   The problem with the theory that brain waves can't leave the skull is that it discounts the possibility of our consciousness being other than physical.   Even insisting that our consciousness is just chemicals and electrical activity in the brain, this theory falls apart because of the idea of thoughts being waves.   But I am knee jerk responding because I have never heard of this before.  Now I need to do some research.

Brain waves are electromagnetic signals sent by neurons.  They are incredibly tiny charges - a millionth of a volt or less: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/brain-waves

They can jump the very very tiny spaces between each neuron but are too weak to pass beyond the skin barrier.

[Piney]

10 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Brain waves are electromagnetic signals sent by neurons.  They are incredibly tiny charges - a millionth of a volt or less: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/brain-waves

They can jump the very very tiny spaces between each neuron but are too weak to pass beyond the skin barrier.

I'd still like to know why high functioning autistic people **** up radio reception. 

[+Desertrat56]

13 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Brain waves are electromagnetic signals sent by neurons.  They are incredibly tiny charges - a millionth of a volt or less: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/brain-waves

They can jump the very very tiny spaces between each neuron but are too weak to pass beyond the skin barrier.

electrical impulses.   I mentioned that.   But those electrical impulses are not though, except perhaps to send signals to the brain to move the body, or trigger some emotional response.   No one has determined if those electrical impulses have anything to do with telepathy, AND I don't think the person mentioning brain fields was talking about electrical impulses.

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

I'd still like to know why high functioning autistic people **** up radio reception. 

That's news to me.  Never heard of it before.

I have heard about dental implants (crowns, etc) picking up radio signals.  That's reliable.

[+Desertrat56]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

I'd still like to know why high functioning autistic people **** up radio reception. 

I would like to know that too.   I am not diagnosed as autisic but I consider myself "high functioning" and I can mess up radio reception just by walking in a room.   Flourescent lights don't like me either.  

[Piney]

9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I would like to know that too.   I am not diagnosed as autisic but I consider myself "high functioning" and I can mess up radio reception just by walking in a room.   Flourescent lights don't like me either.  

I forgot about that...

I have LEDs in both my shop and lab because the fluorescents blew out in the first week. 

[+joc]

17 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Brain waves are electromagnetic signals sent by neurons.  They are incredibly tiny charges - a millionth of a volt or less: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/brain-waves

They can jump the very very tiny spaces between each neuron but are too weak to pass beyond the skin barrier.

Link

Brain Waves Synchronize when People Interact

Collective neuroscience, as some practitioners call it, is a rapidly growing field of research. An early, consistent finding is that when people converse or share an experience, their brain waves synchronize. Neurons in corresponding locations of the different brains fire at the same time, creating matching patterns, like dancers moving together. Auditory and visual areas respond to shape, sound and movement in similar ways, whereas higher-order brain areas seem to behave similarly during more challenging tasks such as making meaning out of something seen or heard. The experience of “being on the same wavelength” as another person is real, and it is visible in the activity of the brain.

I haven't finished reading the article but it is pretty interesting.  

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

4 hours ago, joc said:

Link

Brain Waves Synchronize when People Interact

Collective neuroscience, as some practitioners call it, is a rapidly growing field of research. An early, consistent finding is that when people converse or share an experience, their brain waves synchronize. Neurons in corresponding locations of the different brains fire at the same time, creating matching patterns, like dancers moving together. Auditory and visual areas respond to shape, sound and movement in similar ways, whereas higher-order brain areas seem to behave similarly during more challenging tasks such as making meaning out of something seen or heard. The experience of “being on the same wavelength” as another person is real, and it is visible in the activity of the brain.

I haven't finished reading the article but it is pretty interesting.  

This -----> when people converse or share an experience, their brain waves synchronize.

I was once told by a reliable work associate, that when women work together, their periods synchronize to that of the alpha female.

Truth or wive's tale?

[XenoFish]

@joc

https://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror

Wouldn't surprise me if mirror neurons played a role. We limit the scope to actions, but it should also apply to our language as well. I could be wrong though. 

[XenoFish]

8 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I would like to know that too.   I am not diagnosed as autisic but I consider myself "high functioning" and I can mess up radio reception just by walking in a room.   Flourescent lights don't like me either.  

Image doing that to a car. 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 10/10/2023 at 8:00 AM, joc said:

Thanks!  That entire explanation of QE made complete total sense to me and at the same time made absolutely zero sense. 

Yup. 

Wise beyond your years. "Spookiness at a distance" - AE

[Kenemet]

4 hours ago, joc said:

Link

Brain Waves Synchronize when People Interact

Collective neuroscience, as some practitioners call it, is a rapidly growing field of research. An early, consistent finding is that when people converse or share an experience, their brain waves synchronize. Neurons in corresponding locations of the different brains fire at the same time, creating matching patterns, like dancers moving together. Auditory and visual areas respond to shape, sound and movement in similar ways, whereas higher-order brain areas seem to behave similarly during more challenging tasks such as making meaning out of something seen or heard. The experience of “being on the same wavelength” as another person is real, and it is visible in the activity of the brain.

I haven't finished reading the article but it is pretty interesting.  

An excellent example of synchronicity -- something often confused with quantum entanglement.

In quantum entanglement, two distant particles (not waves, not compounds) act as if they were a single particle. If something happens to one, the other particle behaves as if the same thing happened to it at exactly the same moment. 

Synchronicity happens in living species and involves similar actions at a single instance.  Synchronicity is why competition dancers perform together in a coordinated effort.  Synchronicity is why women (often) have simultaneous menstrual periods when they live together.  Synchronicity allows for things like flocks of birds or fish to all change directions within a few seconds.

I've seen speculation that synchronicity *might* be an effect of quantum entanglement, but at this point it's pure speculation.  

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

@joc

https://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror

Wouldn't surprise me if mirror neurons played a role. We limit the scope to actions, but it should also apply to our language as well. I could be wrong though. 

That's a really neat article!  Thanks!

[XenoFish]

44 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

That's a really neat article!  Thanks!

Here's another one. This time language.

https://icjs.us/the-influence-of-language-on-the-perception-of-the-world/

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Here's another one. This time language.

https://icjs.us/the-influence-of-language-on-the-perception-of-the-world/

Oh yes!  

There's some famous anthropological studies on this.  One of my favorite (last century) authors on this is E.T. Hall.  I loved this particular book: https://ssir.org/books/reviews/entry/silent_language_edward_t_hall

[Alchopwn]

12 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Here's another one. This time language.

https://icjs.us/the-influence-of-language-on-the-perception-of-the-world/

I haven't thought of Sapir-Whorf (1929) in decades !  

At some level I suppose I take it for granted as a species of Constructivism, but the argument is more nuanced than that.  It is at a lovely nexus between my first love Linguistics and my adopted discipline of Psych.  I feel like you've given me a present, XenoFish.

[+Desertrat56]

15 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Image doing that to a car. 

The old car  radios dont care much for me either.   I have one I bought that has blue tooth and it is still working after 12 years, but in the 80's I had a new car (only bought a new one once) and that radio quit working after a couple of years.   

And that thing where people say street lights go out when they get near, I would say the street light was malfunctioning, however I have had a few times when every street light I went past went out.   That sounds like poor city planning or what?   Could our energy field knock out a few blocks of street lights (usually they are flourescent, or were), but if it were a human's energy field causing that it would have to be a huge field, I don't think people have fields that huge.    But then, how does dowsing work?   (it is not always a sham, I have seen it work)

[XenoFish]

3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

The old car  radios dont care much for me either.   I have one I bought that has blue tooth and it is still working after 12 years, but in the 80's I had a new car (only bought a new one once) and that radio quit working after a couple of years.   

And that thing where people say street lights go out when they get near, I would say the street light was malfunctioning, however I have had a few times when every street light I went past went out.   That sounds like poor city planning or what?   Could our energy field knock out a few blocks of street lights (usually they are flourescent, or were), but if it were a human's energy field causing that it would have to be a huge field, I don't think people have fields that huge.    But then, how does dowsing work?   (it is not always a sham, I have seen it work)

Like I've mentioned before. I've had weird experiences. Some frequent, yet inconsistent. Which is why I do not bother with presenting them.

[+joc]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

And that thing where people say street lights go out when they get near, I would say the street light was malfunctioning, however I have had a few times when every street light I went past went out.

I think it is probably the case that your headlights were bright enough to turn off each light as you passed. Those lights have photocells so they come on at dusk and go off when the sun comes up.  Depending on the intensity and angle of your lights, yeah you could just turn them off one at a time.  Especially if the road was on an incline.