Justin Trudeau Accuses India of a Killing on Canadian Soil

[glorybebe]

The Canadian leader said agents of India had assassinated a Sikh community leader in British Columbia in June. India called the accusation “absurd.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/canada/canada-india-sikh-killing.html

 

And it escalates...

[acidhead]

Another hit happened in Winnipeg yesterday evening. 

 

[+and-then]

India suspends visas for Canadians as row escalates - BBC News

Modi seems to be a little perturbed over Justin's fit of pique.  I wonder how far this dust up will go?

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

India suspends visas for Canadians as row escalates - BBC News

Modi seems to be a little perturbed over Justin's fit of pique.  I wonder how far this dust up will go?

Hopefully Trudeau getting booted out.The guy is a disaster ,the liberals are a disaster.

This is Trudeau verses India and not Canadians versus India.

[glorybebe]

On 9/21/2023 at 3:02 PM, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Hopefully Trudeau getting booted out.The guy is a disaster ,the liberals are a disaster.

This is Trudeau verses India and not Canadians versus India.

The problem is Ontario and Quebec have higher populations.  They out vote the rest of the country.  

Trudeau can't bank on Canada being the "nice" country.  Once you start throwing around accusations,  better be prepared for retaliation.  

[jmccr8]

Canadian intelligence was not the only agency to collect information about this situation as it was confirmed by 5 eyes.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/india-suspends-visa-services-canada-rift-widens-killing-103370607&ved=2ahUKEwjf3u71h8GBAxVtAzQIHfTlDAI4ChAWegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw3uQy0qvnCAENVIAhUeUN9g

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

On 9/22/2023 at 8:02 AM, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Hopefully Trudeau getting booted out.The guy is a disaster ,the liberals are a disaster.

This is Trudeau verses India and not Canadians versus India.

Yeah, why should a nation be concerned with another nation assassinating people on its soil? ITS ALL BLOODY TRUDY MAKING UP A FUSS! 

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

6 hours ago, glorybebe said:

The problem is Ontario and Quebec have higher populations.  They out vote the rest of the country.  

Trudeau can't bank on Canada being the "nice" country.  Once you start throwing around accusations,  better be prepared for retaliation.  

100,000 Sikhs live in and around Toronto.Trudeau needs all the help he can get next Election.

 

 

[jmccr8]

2 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

100,000 Sikhs live in and around Toronto.Trudeau needs all the help he can get next Election.

 

 

Hi Rather

A person was murdered in this country who had the same rights and protections as those 100,000 Sikhs and everyone else in this country. 5 countries intelligence communities including Canada's came to the same conclusion.

India is over populated and needs Canada, Canada is under populated and wants immigrants to increase our consumer base so this country can take advantage of developing it's resources for both foreign and domestic sales which I fully support. Canada does not need to depend on just people from India wanting to come to this country as it is not the only country that is over populated so we have more options.

Personally I have no problem with people from India wanting to be Canadian citizens. What I do have a problem with is people coming here that had limited opportunities in thriir homeland thinnking they should bring those problems here no matter whst country they are from. They made a choice to make a new life in this country and expect them to embrace this country's diversity and opportunities and abide by our laws and way of life. If they are unable to leave their fears and hate behind they are welcome to go back and carry on in their native land or face the consequences here if they cannot abide by our laws and way of life.

This is not me saying don't celebrate your heritage just respect this country if you want to call it home.

Edited September 24 by jmccr8

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

3 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Rather

A person was murdered in this country who had the same rights and protections as those 100,000 Sikhs and everyone else in this country. 5 countries intelligence communities including Canada's came to the same conclusion.

India is over populated and needs Canada, Canada is under populated and wants immigrants to increase our consumer base so this country can take advantage of developing it's resources for both foreign and domestic sales which I fully support. Canada does not need to depend on just people from India wanting to come to this country as it is not the only country that is over populated so we have more options.

Personally I have no problem with people from India wanting to be Canadian citizens. What I do have a problem with is people coming here that had limited opportunities in thriir homeland thinnking they should bring those problems here no matter whst country they are from. They made a choice to make a new life in this country and expect them to embrace this country's diversity and opportunities and abide by our laws and way of life. If they are unable to leave their fears and hate behind they are welcome to go back and carry on in their native land or face the consequences here if they cannot abide by our laws and way of life.

This is not me saying don't celebrate your heritage just respect this country if you want to call it home.

I agree a terrible crime has been committed and I absolutely have no problem with immigration but I feel that maybe that the evidence is a little thin.

[jmccr8]

16 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

I agree a terrible crime has been committed and I absolutely have no problem with immigration but I feel that maybe that the evidence is a little thin.

Hi Rather

I haven't passed a judgement given not much has been disclosed. That said if 5 eyes all agree on the information that they have and know I would tend to think it has some merit.

 

 

[acidhead]

2 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

I haven't passed a judgement given not much has been disclosed. That said if 5 eyes all agree on the information that they have and know I would tend to think it has some merit.

Note:

The information came from one "unspecified member" 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/shared-intelligence-from-five-eyes-informed-trudeau-s-india-allegation-u-s-ambassador-1.6574265 

Sept. 22, 2023 5:32 p.m. PDT

Amid reports from CBC and The Associated Press that the intelligence Trudeau was speaking of did not come from Canada alone, and that additional information was provided by an unspecified member of the intelligence-sharing alliance between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Cohen told Kapelos that there was "a lot of communication" between Ottawa and D.C.

[acidhead]

B.C. Premier suspects Ottawa holding on to information about foreign interference 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6976155 

Posted: September 22, 2023 

 

British Columbia Premier David Eby says he "strongly" suspects the federal government is holding back information that could help the province protect its residents with connections to India from foreign interference.

Eby says Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc has reached out, saying Ottawa wants to make sure the province has the details it needs to keep its residents safe, "but there has not been good information sharing." 

The premier says everything he knows about Nijjar's killing is "in the public realm," despite a briefing with the CSIS director that he described as frustrating because there wasn't more concrete information.

"I understand there may need to be reform around the act that governs CSIS in order for them to be able to share this information," Eby told media.

[acidhead]

Turns out it was the Americans who were the "unspecified member" of the Five Eyes  

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/us/politics/canada-sikh-leader-killing-intelligence.html

U.S. Provided Canada With Intelligence on Killing of Sikh Leader American intelligence gave assistance, but communications intercepted by Canada were more definitive in linking India to the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

[jmccr8]

9 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Note:

The information came from one "unspecified member" 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/shared-intelligence-from-five-eyes-informed-trudeau-s-india-allegation-u-s-ambassador-1.6574265 

Sept. 22, 2023 5:32 p.m. PDT

Amid reports from CBC and The Associated Press that the intelligence Trudeau was speaking of did not come from Canada alone, and that additional information was provided by an unspecified member of the intelligence-sharing alliance between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, Cohen told Kapelos that there was "a lot of communication" between Ottawa and D.C.

Hi Cid

The information was shared not just with Canada and reviewed by all 5. You and I are not privy to what is said or shared between these intelligence communities for a reason just like any other investigation.

Information will be shared with the public at some point and not likely to be swept under the carpet. Like I said I made no judgement on anyone but am inclined to think that if credible infomation was shared it is worth considering valid.

 

[acidhead]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

The information was shared not just with Canada and reviewed by all 5. You and I are not privy to what is said or shared between these intelligence communities for a reason just like any other investigation.

Of course you and I don't know... duh

All I'm pointing out is it was American intelligence, per The New York Times,  that shared the information with the Trudeau government. 

[Hankenhunter]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

Of course you and I don't know... duh

All I'm pointing out is it was American intelligence, per The New York Times,  that shared the information with the Trudeau government. 

Isn't that what two countries who depend, and co-operate with each other do? Watch each other's backs? 

[Antigonos]

5 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Isn't that what two countries who depend, and co-operate with each other do? Watch each other's backs? 

Yes. That is what allies do, and have been doing for centuries. 

History 101. 

[odas]

15 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

100,000 Sikhs live in and around Toronto.Trudeau needs all the help he can get next Election.

 

 

And there are almost 600,000 hindus in and arround Toronto. According to your logic Trudeau should focus on their votes rather than the votes of the minority sikh population.

No matter how you want to spin this, a foreign government has commited a crime on Canada's soil and needs to be called out. Besides that, India is commiting everyday crimes against it's sikh, christian and muslim population being it by murder or their preffered way of rape of women.

And as @jmccr8 pointed out, you are welcome to move to Canada but leave your hatered and issues behind. Most of us immigrants did exactley that. But when a politician from your old country has a bigger say than a politician from your new country that is where the "welcome" part is nixed regardless where you come from.

Ever since Modi took over we can see here more anomosity, crime among the Indian population especially organized car theft, murder...

Good for Trudeau to stand up to this and I stand with him in this matter altough I am against his many other policies including overimmigration, housing, forced environmental issues and minimizing the needs and concernes of rural population. He will not get my vote, that is for sure. But against Modi and his terrorists, I support Trudeau and my new home for life and beyond - Canada.

 

[jmccr8]

6 hours ago, acidhead said:

Of course you and I don't know... duh

All I'm pointing out is it was American intelligence, per The New York Times,  that shared the information with the Trudeau government. 

Hi Cid

Okay Americans shared information with 5 eyes, what is your point, conspiracy, dirty pool, skeletons in the closet?

All 5 countries were given the information and investigated not just Canada, allegations of this nature are not taken lightly and nothing would have been said publically if it had no foundation.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

24 minutes ago, odas said:

And there are almost 600,000 hindus in and arround Toronto. According to your logic Trudeau should focus on their votes rather than the votes of the minority sikh population.

No matter how you want to spin this, a foreign government has commited a crime on Canada's soil and needs to be called out. Besides that, India is commiting everyday crimes against it's sikh, christian and muslim population being it by murder or their preffered way of rape of women.

And as @jmccr8 pointed out, you are welcome to move to Canada but leave your hatered and issues behind. Most of us immigrants did exactley that. But when a politician from your old country has a bigger say than a politician from your new country that is where the "welcome" part is nixed regardless where you come from.

Ever since Modi took over we can see here more anomosity, crime among the Indian population especially organized car theft, murder...

Good for Trudeau to stand up to this and I stand with him in this matter altough I am against his many other policies including overimmigration, housing, forced environmental issues and minimizing the needs and concernes of rural population. He will not get my vote, that is for sure. But against Modi and his terrorists, I support Trudeau and my new home for life and beyond - Canada.

 

This is not about immigration as I am myself an immigrant who by the way loves Canada as much as my Country of Birth.

My beef is whether Trudeau was too quick on the draw and was trying to use this for political gain or he should have waited for more cast Iron proof before coming out all guns blazing.

This was a terrible crime  for which there must be answers especially for the family but let them be factual and truthful ones.

 

[jmccr8]

10 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

This is not about immigration as I am myself an immigrant who by the way loves Canada as much as my Country of Birth.

My beef is whether Trudeau was too quick on the draw and was trying to use this for political gain or he should have waited for more cast Iron proof before coming out all guns blazing.

This was a terrible crime  for which there must be answers especially for the family but let them be factual and truthful ones.

 

Hi Rather

He was gunned down in June so several months have passed before the allegation was made September 18 does that seem hasty?

[glorybebe]

Informative article

 

What’s behind ‘mounting tensions’ in the Indian diaspora in Canada?

 

[jmccr8]

21 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Informative article

 

What’s behind ‘mounting tensions’ in the Indian diaspora in Canada?

 

Hi Glorybebe

That is exactly why I said when people come to this country thst they should leave their fear and hate behind. This country allows religious freedom so that should be respected by all we seperated religion from politics for a reason.  People coming to this country come looking for a new life away from conflict and persecution so best to leave the past conflicts from home where they belong if they want to be a citizen of this country as it is the one that will give them the opportunity to grow as an individual.

[glorybebe]

54 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Glorybebe

That is exactly why I said when people come to this country thst they should leave their fear and hate behind. This country allows religious freedom so that should be respected by all we seperated religion from politics for a reason.  People coming to this country come looking for a new life away from conflict and persecution so best to leave the past conflicts from home where they belong if they want to be a citizen of this country as it is the one that will give them the opportunity to grow as an individual.

I totally agree.  They chose to come to Canada, don't turn it into the country you are leaving