Fury after Zelensky and Trudeau gave WW2 Nazi unit veteran a standing ovation

[itsnotoutthere]

Justin Trudeau & his government smeared the 2022 Canadian Convoy protesters as Nazis & racists, but he, President Zelensky & Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi SS veteran in the parliament a few days ago.

 

Jewish advocacy groups have reacted with fury after Volodymyr Zelensky and Justin Trudeau were among those who gave a veteran who fought for a Nazi unit during the Second World War a standing ovation.

Yaroslav Hunka fought for the First Ukrainian Division - also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division - a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis and fought against Russia. Hunka, now 98, was welcomed to Canada's House of Commons during Zelensky's visit to Ottawa on Friday.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1816304/Zelensky-Trudeau-WW2-Nazi

[Grim Reaper 6]

58 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Justin Trudeau & his government smeared the 2022 Canadian Convoy protesters as Nazis & racists, but he, President Zelensky & Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi SS veteran in the parliament a few days ago.

 

Jewish advocacy groups have reacted with fury after Volodymyr Zelensky and Justin Trudeau were among those who gave a veteran who fought for a Nazi unit during the Second World War a standing ovation.

Yaroslav Hunka fought for the First Ukrainian Division - also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division - a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis and fought against Russia. Hunka, now 98, was welcomed to Canada's House of Commons during Zelensky's visit to Ottawa on Friday.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1816304/Zelensky-Trudeau-WW2-Nazi

In 1945, General Patton wanted to rearm the German Military and march on Moscow. The Waffen-SS Galicia Division served on the Russian Front, so I guess I am with General Patton any military force fighting the Russians is fighting the right global enemy!

[Jon the frog]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Justin Trudeau & his government smeared the 2022 Canadian Convoy protesters as Nazis & racists, but he, President Zelensky & Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi SS veteran in the parliament a few days ago.

 

Jewish advocacy groups have reacted with fury after Volodymyr Zelensky and Justin Trudeau were among those who gave a veteran who fought for a Nazi unit during the Second World War a standing ovation.

Yaroslav Hunka fought for the First Ukrainian Division - also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division - a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis and fought against Russia. Hunka, now 98, was welcomed to Canada's House of Commons during Zelensky's visit to Ottawa on Friday.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1816304/Zelensky-Trudeau-WW2-Nazi

Just a bunch of clowns clapping...a disgrace.

[Alchopwn]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Justin Trudeau & his government smeared the 2022 Canadian Convoy protesters as Nazis & racists, but he, President Zelensky & Canadian lawmakers gave a standing ovation to an actual Nazi SS veteran in the parliament a few days ago.

 

Jewish advocacy groups have reacted with fury after Volodymyr Zelensky and Justin Trudeau were among those who gave a veteran who fought for a Nazi unit during the Second World War a standing ovation.

Yaroslav Hunka fought for the First Ukrainian Division - also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the SS 14th Waffen Division - a voluntary unit that was under the command of the Nazis and fought against Russia. Hunka, now 98, was welcomed to Canada's House of Commons during Zelensky's visit to Ottawa on Friday.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1816304/Zelensky-Trudeau-WW2-Nazi

What people fail to understand about WW2 on the Eastern Front is that MOST of the conquered peoples there BADLY wanted to be free of Russia.  Had the NAZIs had a modicum of human decency and respect for them, instead of treating them like Untermensch, they could have marched into Moscow with popular local support.  Nobody liked Communism or Stalin.  I mean, consider being given the invidious choice of fighting either for Hitler or for Stalin?  They were both despicable monsters, and statistically Hitler had a lower body count in 1941 when Operation Barbarossa kicked off.  I can see why people would have made the mistake of supporting Hitler against Stalin.

The issue of the Canadians giving an accolade to Yaroslav Hunka is interesting.  After all, if he fought for Germany, but was never charged with any atrocities, that would change the complexion of the matter.  It is worth pointing out that many elements of the Waffen SS were actually used as cannon fodder by the Germans, being sent into the very worst fighting repeatedly on the Eastern Front.  Now if Hunka were guilty of any actual atrocities that would be a different matter.  As things stand, this business with Trudeau is all a bit stupid and comedic.  As things stand, the Waffen SS Galicia Division with whom Hunka served were never accused of any atrocities, and in fact exhonerated, despite the rest of the Waffen SS being condemned as an organization at Nuremberg. 

[+Desertrat56]

1 hour ago, Alchopwn said:

What people fail to understand about WW2 on the Eastern Front is that MOST of the conquered peoples there BADLY wanted to be free of Russia.  Had the NAZIs had a modicum of human decency and respect for them, instead of treating them like Untermensch, they could have marched into Moscow with popular local support.  Nobody liked Communism or Stalin.  I mean, consider being given the invidious choice of fighting either for Hitler or for Stalin?  They were both despicable monsters, and statistically Hitler had a lower body count in 1941 when Operation Barbarossa kicked off.  I can see why people would have made the mistake of supporting Hitler against Stalin.

The issue of the Canadians giving an accolade to Yaroslav Hunka is interesting.  After all, if he fought for Germany, but was never charged with any atrocities, that would change the complexion of the matter.  It is worth pointing out that many elements of the Waffen SS were actually used as cannon fodder by the Germans, being sent into the very worst fighting repeatedly on the Eastern Front.  Now if Hunka were guilty of any actual atrocities that would be a different matter.  As things stand, this business with Trudeau is all a bit stupid and comedic.  As things stand, the Waffen SS Galicia Division with whom Hunka served were never accused of any atrocities, and in fact exhonerated, despite the rest of the Waffen SS being condemned as an organization at Nuremberg. 

That answers part of my question about why they were giving him an ovation.   What did he do that was so special?   It is getting more and more difficult for me to give 2 ***t* about the emotional dirivel that is called news nowadays because the whole story is never told, just the bits that can be used as emotional incindiaries to get everyone upset, which puts them in an easily manipulated state of mind.  So far I see 3 people on this thread who took the bait.

Edited September 26 by Desertrat56

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

6 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

In 1945, General Patton wanted to rearm the German Military and march on Moscow. The Waffen-SS Galicia Division served on the Russian Front, so I guess I am with General Patton any military force fighting the Russians is fighting the right global enemy!

Winston Churchill had plans to attack Russia in may 1945. 

Edited September 26 by 'Walt' E. Kurtz

[Antigonos]

12 minutes ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Winston Churchill had plans to invade Russia just after the war. 

Well, not really invade.

The Russian Civil War had started in 1917, and the White Armies were battling the Reds. There were limited Allied forces, mostly American and British, that were trying to aid the Whites.

Opinion was fiercely divided on how much aide to give them in terms of manpower and other resources. England was exhausted in every way from fighting four years of the bloodiest European conflict to date. Popular public opinion was against the idea of the country getting involved in another conflict. The military and politicians were divided as well… some opposed the idea of any intervention at all, some favoring committing small numbers of the military. Churchill was part of a loud minority that advocated for a large unlimited intervention to help the White generals defeat Trotsky’s forces. He correctly predicted that if the Reds conquered Russia the balance of power in Europe would be dramatically changed.

Had Churchill’s advice been followed, the Reds never would have won. As it was, in 1919 fully nine tenths of Russia was either in White or foreign hands. Instead, the Allies fielded  a tepid response that provided little practical aide and a genuine opportunity to defeat and remove the Bolsheviks was permanently lost.
 

[Jon the frog]

Poland looks for extradition of Nazi veteran applauded in Canadian parliament....

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/poland-extradition-nazi-veteran-yaroslav-hunka-applauded-canada-parliament-justin-trudeau-2440931-2023-09-26

They got a nice mess on their hands.

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

18 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Well, not really invade.

The Russian Civil War had started in 1917, and the White Armies were battling the Reds. There were limited Allied forces, mostly American and British, that were trying to aid the Whites.

Opinion was fiercely divided on how much aide to give them in terms of manpower and other resources. England was exhausted in every way from fighting four years of the bloodiest European conflict to date. Popular public opinion was against the idea of the country getting involved in another conflict. The military and politicians were divided as well… some opposed the idea of any intervention at all, some favoring committing small numbers of the military. Churchill was part of a loud minority that advocated for a large unlimited intervention to help the White generals defeat Trotsky’s forces. He correctly predicted that if the Reds conquered Russia the balance of power in Europe would be dramatically changed.

Had Churchill’s advice been followed, the Reds never would have won. As it was, in 1919 fully nine tenths of Russia was either in White or foreign hands. Instead, the Allies fielded  a tepid response that provided little practical aide and a genuine opportunity to defeat and remove the Bolsheviks was permanently lost.
 

He had plans to attack russia in may 1945 from what i know the operation was called " unthinkable "

 

[Antigonos]

1 hour ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

He had plans to attack russia in may 1945 from what i know the operation was called " unthinkable "

 

Interesting! I didn’t know that. Thanks.

[Golden Duck]

Godwin's Law proven in the OP.

[DarkHunter]

I think an important aspect that people are over looking is that when Nazi Germany raised up foreign units to fight they were automatically organized by and put under the command of the SS. 

Edited the post cause I slightly mis-remembered the history.  Jewish soldiers fought in the Finnish army who fought beside the Waffen-SS and when pressed to turn over its Jewish members the Finnish military refused.  There were Jews in the SS but they were rare and almost exclusively from Germany.

The history of the Jews in the SS is really bizarre but also really interesting.

Edited September 26 by DarkHunter

[Grim Reaper 6]

46 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I think an important aspect that people are over looking is that when Nazi Germany raised up foreign units to fight they were automatically organized by and put under the command of the SS. 

Edited the post cause I slightly mis-remembered the history.  Jewish soldiers fought in the Finnish army who fought beside the Waffen-SS and when pressed to turn over its Jewish members the Finnish military refused.  There were Jews in the SS but they were rare and almost exclusively from Germany.

The history of the Jews in the SS is really bizarre but also really interesting.

Former Waffen SS soldiers were also used as guards at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.

How Waffen SS Soldiers became Guards at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials starting in 1946: https://historum.com/t/how-waffen-ss-soldiers-became-guards-at-the-nuremberg-war-crimes-trials-starting-in-1946.187219/

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

11 hours ago, Jon the frog said:

Just a bunch of clowns clapping...a disgrace.

Idiots,didn’t anyone realize that for him to be fighting against the Russians he would have to be a Nazi as the Russians were our allies at the time.

 

Edited September 26 by A rather obscure Bassoon

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Idiots,didn’t anyone realize that for him to be fighting against the Russians he would have to be a Nazi as the Russians were our allies at the time.

 

That’s certainly very true, but the Russians were never truly our Allies and the Cold War they intentionally created proves that clearly!

JIMHO

[acidhead]

https://ipn.gov.pl/pl/historia-z-ipn/139138,Archiwum-Pelne-Pamieci-Zbrodnia-w-Hucie-Pieniackiej.html?search=115068965

On February 28, 1944, Ukrainian soldiers of the 4th Galician SS Volunteer Police Regiment associated with the 14th SS Division "Galizien", UPA units, Ukrainian nationalists and Ukrainian residents of nearby villages entered the village of Huta Pieniacka, inhabited by Polish people. As a result of the pacification action carried out by the attackers, over 850 Poles died. About 160 people survived the massacre.

[acidhead]

60 Minutes Episode from February  2, 1997 

"Canada's Dark Secret" investigates how Canada continues to harbor several alleged Nazi war criminals. 

(15 mins) 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

https://sonar21.com/did-zelensky-scam-trudeau-with-an-elderly-nazi/

[Alchopwn]

On 9/27/2023 at 1:07 AM, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Winston Churchill had plans to attack Russia in may 1945. 

That would have been tragicomic.

[glorybebe]

At this point, nothing Trudeau does surprises me.  He has gotten away with so much already ( justifying the brown face and getting realected flabbergasted me) he thinks he can do whatever he wants 

[DieChecker]

I did find the standing ovation disturbing. Was this just sheep following a bell? Or did all of them actually admire this man????

[itsnotoutthere]

[+Paranoid Android]

Many Eastern Europeans fought for the Axis, but it's not quite accurate to say they were "Nazi's". For many in that part of the world, Russia was the big brother who constantly bullied everyone else. Ukraine had been living with generations of brutal oppression, and it's more correct to say that Ukraine (and many others) joined the team that Russia didn't rather than any suggestion that Ukraine supported German policies. If Russia joined the Axis, then Ukraine probably would have joined the Allies to fight Russia. As it was Germany came through and for many in that part of the world felt like liberators. 

That said, the optics of this situation look terrible, but if Trudeau can survive three ethics violations (technically two, but I argue he should have been hit with three) he can survive a story like this. 

Lastly, if this guy was a war criminal who fought with the worst of the worst Nazi's and towed the Nazi party line in all things, then I retract my comments and replace them with condemnation for an evil man. I don't know enough about this individual to make a commentary on his military service or ideological beliefs. But simply being a German ally in WW2 doesn't qualify someone as being a "Nazi", in my opinion, though it's also not something that should necessarily be celebrated either.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Many Eastern Europeans fought for the Axis, but it's not quite accurate to say they were "Nazi's". For many in that part of the world, Russia was the big brother who constantly bullied everyone else. Ukraine had been living with generations of brutal oppression, and it's more correct to say that Ukraine (and many others) joined the team that Russia didn't rather than any suggestion that Ukraine supported German policies. If Russia joined the Axis, then Ukraine probably would have joined the Allies to fight Russia. As it was Germany came through and for many in that part of the world felt like liberators. 

That said, the optics of this situation look terrible, but if Trudeau can survive three ethics violations (technically two, but I argue he should have been hit with three) he can survive a story like this. 

Lastly, if this guy was a war criminal who fought with the worst of the worst Nazi's and towed the Nazi party line in all things, then I retract my comments and replace them with condemnation for an evil man. I don't know enough about this individual to make a commentary on his military service or ideological beliefs. But simply being a German ally in WW2 doesn't qualify someone as being a "Nazi", in my opinion, though it's also not something that should necessarily be celebrated either.  

I think your comments are politically correct and right on target. My father falls into the category you described above and him and my mother immigrated to the US as part of Operation Paper Clip!! 

[spartan max2]

43 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Many Eastern Europeans fought for the Axis, but it's not quite accurate to say they were "Nazi's". For many in that part of the world, Russia was the big brother who constantly bullied everyone else. Ukraine had been living with generations of brutal oppression, and it's more correct to say that Ukraine (and many others) joined the team that Russia didn't rather than any suggestion that Ukraine supported German policies. If Russia joined the Axis, then Ukraine probably would have joined the Allies to fight Russia. As it was Germany came through and for many in that part of the world felt like liberators. 

That said, the optics of this situation look terrible, but if Trudeau can survive three ethics violations (technically two, but I argue he should have been hit with three) he can survive a story like this. 

Lastly, if this guy was a war criminal who fought with the worst of the worst Nazi's and towed the Nazi party line in all things, then I retract my comments and replace them with condemnation for an evil man. I don't know enough about this individual to make a commentary on his military service or ideological beliefs. But simply being a German ally in WW2 doesn't qualify someone as being a "Nazi", in my opinion, though it's also not something that should necessarily be celebrated either.  

I agree with all of what you said. 

Ukraine has a complicated history. They were literally stuck between the nazis and the Soviet communist.