Putin and Trump

[odas]

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

 

This info is really scary. What do you fellow members think?

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, odas said:

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

 

This info is really scary. What do you fellow members think?

I think it's true and that the USA does the same thing in every country in the world to strengthen our position as does Russia and all other major powers.  They were already aware from her time as SoS that Clinton is their enemy so of course they would actively back her opponent.

Edited September 27 by OverSword

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

I think it's true and that the USA does the same thing in every country in the world to strengthen our position as does Russia and all other major powers.  They were already aware from her time as SoS that Clinton is their enemy so of course they would actively back her opponent.

It's a waste of breath.  Those who live to see dirt on the Bad Orange Man will see this as a total vindication of everything DC put the guy through.  People really have become mentally unbalanced on this issue.  We'll still see some here attacking the man long after he's in his grave.  It truly is a psychosis.

[Piney]

19 minutes ago, and-then said:

It's a waste of breath.  Those who live to see dirt on the Bad Orange Man will see this as a total vindication of everything DC put the guy through.  People really have become mentally unbalanced on this issue.  We'll still see some here attacking the man long after he's in his grave.  It truly is a psychosis.

I see lots of dirt on Bad Orange Man and saw it decades before he was your knight in shining armour and I'm a moderate Republican. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

18 minutes ago, Piney said:

I see lots of dirt on Bad Orange Man and saw it decades before he was your knight in shining armour and I'm a moderate Republican. 

I am also a moderate Republican, and I agree with you Piney the dirt on Orange Man Bad goes all the way back to the 1970s.

[Tatetopa]

I thought Trump might be a good alternative when he entered the race for 2016.  I was certainly sick of the status quo.  But I did some research on him and his life before politics, just his business practices.  Not impressive as a businessman.  Brilliant at self promotion.

I am not crazy, deranged, or frothing at the mouth.   I don't have some biblical hatred for him, but I don't think he is competent to be president. I would like to see equal justice for all, including Trump. 

[Piney]

19 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I am also a moderate Republican, and I agree with you Piney the dirt on Orange Man Bad goes all the way back to the 1970s.

Oh gods below....I hate to say it but it's looking more and more Chris Christy to me...

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Oh gods below....I hate to say it but it's looking more and more Chris Christy to me...

At first I considered DeSantis, but his Homophobia turned me off. So, yea Chris Christy does certainly look like a better bet!

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

I see lots of dirt on Bad Orange Man and saw it decades before he was your knight in shining armour and I'm a moderate Republican. 

That's nice.  You folks simply don't grasp the reality surrounding the guy.  You've obviously bought in to the massive media assault and enjoy the bump from hating the man.  I don't give a good damn about Trump.  What I care about - and what the mindless media minions cannot seem to grasp or admit to themselves - is that most of his supporters aren't effing CULTISTS.  To believe that makes anyone guilty of being intellectually lazy.  To bask and revel in the hate for this guy is the equivalent of accepting everything DC does as just fine and good for the nation.  Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the horse**** being pumped out by the MSM just might be wrong?  

Believe what you wish.  I'll do the same.  You prefer Tater?  How 'bout Newsom?  Kamala, maybe?  Anyone who buys into the bull**** being sold by media that Trump is Orange Hitler, isn't NEARLY as intelligent as they assume themselves to be.  This guy is a narcissist and a gas bag, but his gravest sin is to challenge DC's control over the country.  Maybe his "sins" are so great that you prefer the same old DC slow roll?  I don't.  It's killing our nation.  Anyone who is paying ANY attention to the crimes of the current resident at 1600 and who still thinks Trump is worse, is no longer a person who can discuss it in any unbiased way.  

 

[Piney]

13 minutes ago, and-then said:

That's nice.  You folks simply don't grasp the reality surrounding the guy.  You've obviously bought in to the massive media assault and enjoy the bump from hating the man.  I don't give a good damn about Trump.  What I care about - and what the mindless media minions cannot seem to grasp or admit to themselves - is that most of his supporters aren't effing CULTISTS.  To believe that makes anyone guilty of being intellectually lazy.  To bask and revel in the hate for this guy is the equivalent of accepting everything DC does as just fine and good for the nation.  Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the horse**** being pumped out by the MSM just might be wrong?  

Believe what you wish.  I'll do the same.  You prefer Tater?  How 'bout Newsom?  Kamala, maybe?  Anyone who buys into the bull**** being sold by media that Trump is Orange Hitler, isn't NEARLY as intelligent as they assume themselves to be.  This guy is a narcissist and a gas bag, but his gravest sin is to challenge DC's control over the country.  Maybe his "sins" are so great that you prefer the same old DC slow roll?  I don't.  It's killing our nation.  Anyone who is paying ANY attention to the crimes of the current resident at 1600 and who still thinks Trump is worse, is no longer a person who can discuss it in any unbiased way.  

 

Actually I'd prefer Liz Cheney, but she isn't running. She also isn't owned by the Saudis and Russians, and that didn't come from the media. 

Trump's full of **** pure and simple and all he looking for is his own gain and become a petty dictator ala godfather. 

[+and-then]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

become a petty dictator ala godfather

You mean like he did in the summer of 2020?  Funny, I don't recall him putting troops in the cities that were being set alight by the Left nor do I recall a single media worker he arrested or paper or TV station he shut down.  Perhaps you know of one I've missed? 

[Piney]

12 minutes ago, and-then said:

You mean like he did in the summer of 2020?  Funny, I don't recall him putting troops in the cities that were being set alight by the Left nor do I recall a single media worker he arrested or paper or TV station he shut down.  Perhaps you know of one I've missed? 

He couldn't put troops in the city if he wanted to. Nor could he shut down a media outlet even though he liked to. That statement is just lame. 

He doesn't pay his contractors or lawyers nor take care of them either. Something Haliburton is all about. Nor does he have anything worth investing in that didn't tank. Haliburton goes up and down but a dividend is always there. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

14 minutes ago, and-then said:

That's nice.  You folks simply don't grasp the reality surrounding the guy.  You've obviously bought in to the massive media assault and enjoy the bump from hating the man.  I don't give a good damn about Trump.  What I care about - and what the mindless media minions cannot seem to grasp or admit to themselves - is that most of his supporters aren't effing CULTISTS.

I have to ask respectfully “Who the hell are you to tell others they don’t grasp the reality surrounding the guy” or that others have bought into the mass media assault. Especially, when you’re unable to even admit when he is proven wrong, or accurately charged with crime he committed. I call BS on your comment above that you don’t give a dam about Trump, based upon your comments over the last five years you worship the man as Americas savior, I honestly believe you suffer from “TDS - TRUMP DEVOTION SYNDROME. As far as, his supporters being CULTISTS here is the definition “Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing” does it sound familiar?

14 minutes ago, and-then said:

To believe that makes anyone guilty of being intellectually lazy.  To bask and revel in the hate for this guy is the equivalent of accepting everything DC does as just fine and good for the nation.  Did it ever occur to you that maybe some of the horse**** being pumped out by the MSM just might be wrong?

Did it ever occur to you that some of the BS being pumped out is Accurate?

14 minutes ago, and-then said:

Believe what you wish.  I'll do the same.  You prefer Tater?  How 'bout Newsom?  Kamala, maybe?  Anyone who buys into the bull**** being sold by media that Trump is Orange Hitler, isn't NEARLY as intelligent as they assume themselves to be.  This guy is a narcissist and a gas bag, but his gravest sin is to challenge DC's control over the country.  Maybe his "sins" are so great that you prefer the same old DC slow roll?  I don't.  It's killing our nation.  Anyone who is paying ANY attention to the crimes of the current resident at 1600 and who still thinks Trump is worse, is no longer a person who can discuss it in any unbiased way.

The biggest problem with your comments is the fact that you direct them at forum members who disagree with your point of view. To say people who disagree with you lack intelligence is ludicrous, ridiculous and totally unnecessary. You can share your point of view without derogatory comments directed at others, and I would suggest you do so in the future. The fact that you allude to the fact above that those who disagree with you support the Democrats is laughable  and it only further proves you are severely affected by Trump Devotion Syndrome which is very very sad.

14 minutes ago, and-then said:

 

 

[Kenemet]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

I think it's true and that the USA does the same thing in every country in the world to strengthen our position as does Russia and all other major powers.  They were already aware from her time as SoS that Clinton is their enemy so of course they would actively back her opponent.

Well, the news article is over 2 years old according to the date.  I found it reasonably credible at the time and still believe that it's true for the most part.

Nothing really came of it.  

[jmccr8]

24 minutes ago, and-then said:

You mean like he did in the summer of 2020?  Funny, I don't recall him putting troops in the cities that were being set alight by the Left nor do I recall a single media worker he arrested or paper or TV station he shut down.  Perhaps you know of one I've missed? 

Hi And Then

Do you have any documentation showing that only politically left people were at those riots? I am inclined to think that everyone at the riots were not just the left which is why I don't make absolue claims as to crowd composition. You cry foul all the time while beating the same dead horse.

[Tatetopa]

Liz Cheney might be an interesting choice.  Chris Christy is outspoken, maybe honest, and smart. There are plenty of us sick of the corruption from both parties.  Being an outsider is not a sin in our eyes.

I am looking for somebody who knows the Constitution and how the government works, is honest, intelligent, and does not have a nose stuck into the butts of the elites.   I am looking for somebody who is realistic, makes deals, and gets things done.  Trump had none of those qualities.  Being "The King of Debt"  is not a qualification in my book.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

45 minutes ago, and-then said:

You mean like he did in the summer of 2020?  Funny, I don't recall him putting troops in the cities that were being set alight by the Left nor do I recall a single media worker he arrested or paper or TV station he shut down.  Perhaps you know of one I've missed? 

Trump did attempt to use soldiers in states with Governors who defied him by not using the National Guard to stop the on going demonstrations. The reason he didn’t deploy the US Military was because the situation didn’t fall under his authority to do so, and because the Military Leadership pushed back for him for threatening to use them.

Trump threatens military force against protesters nationwide: https://apnews.com/article/mo-state-wire-in-state-wire-mi-state-wire-election-2020-virus-outbreak-a2797b342b4fc509e43f404817a56aa9

Edited September 27 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

31 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Liz Cheney might be an interesting choice.  Chris Christy is outspoken, maybe honest, and smart. There are plenty of us sick of the corruption from both parties.  Being an outsider is not a sin in our eyes.

I am looking for somebody who knows the Constitution and how the government works, is honest, intelligent, and does not have a nose stuck into the butts of the elites.   I am looking for somebody who is realistic, makes deals, and gets things done.  Trump had none of those qualities.  Being "The King of Debt"  is not a qualification in my book.

 

Great post, I think your post is a jewel and I believe most Americans feel the same way you do, again great post!

Edited September 27 by Grim Reaper 6

[Kenemet]

29 minutes ago, and-then said:

You mean like he did in the summer of 2020?  Funny, I don't recall him putting troops in the cities that were being set alight by the Left

Here you go...  Headline reads "Trump to deploy hundreds of federal troops to Chicago"  https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-to-deploy-hundreds-of-federal-troops-to-chicago-1.4311142  

Turns out that the "troops" were actually federal agents and not US military because he isn't authorized to do that.

Quote

nor do I recall a single media worker he arrested or paper or TV station he shut down.  Perhaps you know of one I've missed? 

Hers's one that he assaulted: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3985341-trump-grabbed-reporters-phone-tried-to-have-him-removed-from-plane-report/

He threw a CNN reporter out and revoked his press pass and got sued for it.  He doubled down saying he had the right to do  so: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/media/trump-response-cnn-lawsuit/index.html and then changed the rules for press conferences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_v._Trump

So he's restricted the power of the press.

 

[Tatetopa]

I am not sure that anybody who thinks Putin is a genius or waxes eloquent about how buff and manly the Russian military is compared to our own is cognizant of reality.

[+and-then]

59 minutes ago, Piney said:

He couldn't put troops in the city if he wanted to. Nor could he shut down a media outlet even though he liked to. That statement is just lame.

That's kind of my point.  He couldn't be a dictator if he tried.  Biden's attempt to create a government censorship bureau is MUCH closer to that than anything Trump did.  The government agencies that worked with social media corporations to silence those who disagreed with the Left isn't something Trump was pushing.  Again, I make no claims that the man is pure as the driven snow.  That isn't really the point though.  The point is that the media push the narrative CEASELESSLY that he is more corrupt than anyone before his time and that he is a proven danger to our freedom.  THAT is bull****.  The only thing he threatens is the status quo in DC.  

I'm curious, Piney.  Would you support him being removed by say, the military, if he managed to win next year?  We can disagree from now on about the threat he poses or fails to pose but I have a genuine belief that DC will do WHATEVER they have to, to keep him out of the office again.  Those who will support that, and I think that group will comprise most of the Left, don't seem to understand where that leaves them in the future.  IOW, do you actually believe he's enough of a threat to America that even if he is duly elected in '24, that the people's will, be circumvented?   Be careful how you answer.  The belief that this could never happen may just make a monkey out of you in '24.

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I am not sure that anybody who thinks Putin is a genius or waxes eloquent about how buff and manly the Russian military is compared to our own is cognizant of reality.

It’s become very obvious since the beginning of the Ukrainian conflict that Russias Military Strength is a paper dragon. So, I certainly agree that anyone who still believes that Russias Military forces are in anyway a match for those of the United States is certainly delusional.

[acidhead]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

Oh gods below....I hate to say it but it's looking more and more Chris Christy to me...

Chris Christie is heavily overweight. Morbidly obese. Really really fat.   An individual who is this grossly overweight has obvious mental health issues and is no way qualified to be in the position to make decisions that affect other individuals. 

[psyche101]

5 hours ago, OverSword said:

I think it's true and that the USA does the same thing in every country in the world to strengthen our position as does Russia and all other major powers.  They were already aware from her time as SoS that Clinton is their enemy so of course they would actively back her opponent.

[spartan max2]

Seeing how MAGA is pretty outspoken about aid to Ukraine, it wouldn't surprise me if Putin wanted him in charge.