Milley says he will take ‘appropriate measures’ to ensure safety following Trump comments

[Grim Reaper 6]

In an interview on “60 Minutes” Wednesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley said he will take “appropriate measures” to make sure he and his family are safe in the wake of recent comments made by former president Donald Trump. “Look, I think it’s a legitimate fear,” Esper told CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins. “If you recall from my memoir … I cite a circumstance where [Trump], egged on by his close advisers, wanted to call back to active duty Adm. McRaven and Gen. McChrystal.

To court-martial them, for some things that they allegedly said in in the public domain, and Milley and I had to talk the president out of doing that, for any number of reasons.” “The president has also said that a second term would be about retribution, right? So, I think these are all legitimate concerns,”

Milley says he will take ‘appropriate measures’ to ensure safety following Trump comments (msn.com)

[+and-then]

From the piece:

“This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” Trump’s post read. “A war between China and the United States could have been the result of this treasonous act. To be continued!!!”

Miss Millie must be hyperventilating over that horrible threat... BTW, what did he threaten Milly with?  Or is my command of English, that suspect?

Gee, I wonder how his phone call would have been viewed had it been to a Russian general?  The appropriate action of a general officer in such a situation should have been to RESIGN and publicly call out his CiC.  NOWHERE in our history or military traditions has it been acceptable to contact what is effectively a peer power ADVERSARY and reassure them that our military would refuse orders from their CiC.  What the hell are you thinking of?  And you, a career officer?  If one of your soldiers had done such a thing, how would you have reacted?  

[Tatetopa]

9 minutes ago, and-then said:

From the piece:

“This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” Trump’s post read. “A war between China and the United States could have been the result of this treasonous act. To be continued!!!”

Miss Millie must be hyperventilating over that horrible threat... BTW, what did he threaten Milly with?  Or is my command of English, that suspect?

Gee, I wonder how his phone call would have been viewed had it been to a Russian general?  The appropriate action of a general officer in such a situation should have been to RESIGN and publicly call out his CiC.  NOWHERE in our history or military traditions has it been acceptable to contact what is effectively a peer power ADVERSARY and reassure them that our military would refuse orders from their CiC.  What the hell are you thinking of?  And you, a career officer?  If one of your soldiers had done such a thing, how would you have reacted?  

Check your history friend, Pentagon has talked to Russia as well ion times past.  The plan is to have several safety measures to prevent a unplanned nuclear war.  Surely you would approve of that?  Trump's Secretary of Defense also called China, he did it first and talked to Milley about conversing with his peer too. 

Sorry, but Trump's quotation is exactly why I think that he is unfit for office.  It  is a lie to be blunt.  

Of course you are free to believe what you want to believe.  And with all of the admiration for Russia and Putin as a model, some folks seem to want an authoritarian state with Trump as absolute unitary ruler.   

Look, I don't think you are stupid or crazy, but we have different views on this topic.

 

[Cho Jinn]

Mark Milley, striking fear into the heart of America's enemies.

[Grim Reaper 6]

58 minutes ago, and-then said:

From the piece:

“This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!” Trump’s post read. “A war between China and the United States could have been the result of this treasonous act. To be continued!!!”

Miss Millie must be hyperventilating over that horrible threat... BTW, what did he threaten Milly with?  Or is my command of English, that suspect?

Gee, I wonder how his phone call would have been viewed had it been to a Russian general?  The appropriate action of a general officer in such a situation should have been to RESIGN and publicly call out his CiC.  NOWHERE in our history or military traditions has it been acceptable to contact what is effectively a peer power ADVERSARY and reassure them that our military would refuse orders from their CiC.  What the hell are you thinking of?  And you, a career officer?  If one of your soldiers had done such a thing, how would you have reacted?  

What I find appalling is that Trump made the comment that General Miley should be executed. You are welcome to add all the political rhetoric you wish because it's meaningless to those who understand how our military works and what the actual responsibility of our leadership is. Trump was totally mentally unhinged during the last days of his Presidency, no other President in the history of the United States has talked about using nuclear weapons during his final days.

Because of the mental instability Trump demonstrated General Miley was fully within his rights to take the actions he did. It's part of the checks and balances built into the relationship between our Civilian Government and our Military Leadership. But one situation this has created is Trump if elected again will never have the confidence of our Nation's Military.

In addition, if I were Donald Trump I would be concerned about his own security because making death threats against the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff is a really stupid thing to do! There is a large number of military veterans who will take offense to Trumps comments, hopefully none take any action. 

Edited September 28 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

14 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Check your history friend, Pentagon has talked to Russia as well ion times past.  The plan is to have several safety measures to prevent a unplanned nuclear war.  Surely you would approve of that?  Trump's Secretary of Defense also called China, he did it first and talked to Milley about conversing with his peer too. 

Sorry, but Trump's quotation is exactly why I think that he is unfit for office.  It is a lie to be blunt.  

Of course you are free to believe what you want to believe.  And with all of the admiration for Russia and Putin as a model, some folks seem to want an authoritarian state with Trump as absolute unitary ruler.   

Look, I don't think you are stupid or crazy, but we have different views on this topic.

 

No sense trying to explain this to him, I honestly believe at this point it's beyond his comprehension sadly! You are also correct General Miley only contacted China, after and with the Approval of the Secretary Defense. Both felt that Trump was not mentally competent after his remarks about possible using nuclear weapons against China and Iran in the final days of his Presidency.

Peace

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

General Miley was fully within his rights to take the actions he did.

Uh, NO, he wasn't.  His job is to execute all lawful orders to the best of his ability.  At the point where he no longer can fulfill that function as such a senior member of the military, his duty was to resign and then raise attention to what he considered a threat. 

Since Trump issued no orders that were unlawful, I'd say it's you, inserting the politics.  Also, pointing out that Milly's actions could have seen him executed in times past is in no way the same as "threatening to execute" him.  Does that clear language really confound you that much?  For example - If I say, "this guy committed treason and deserves execution" does that equate me saying to a subordinate - "go and execute the guy"?  Do you grasp the difference or are you so far gone into the clickbait of MSN threads that you can't discern a difference?  

[Grim Reaper 6]

“”I have been faithful and loyal to the Constitution of the United States for 44 1/2 years," said Milley. "And my family and I have sacrificed greatly for this country. And my mother and father before them. And, you know, as much as these comments are directed at me, it is also directed at the institution of the military. And there is 2.1 million of us in uniform. And the American people can take it to the bank that all of us, every single one of us, from private to general, are loyal to the Constitution and we will never turn our back on it, no matter what. No matter what the threats. No matter what the humiliation. No matter what. If we are willing to die for that document, if we are willing to deploy to combat, and if we are willing to lose an arm, a leg, and eye, to protect and support and defend that document and protect the American people, then we are willing to live for it, too. I'm not going to comment directly on those things, but I can tell you that this military, this soldier, me, will never turn my back on the Constitution."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-response-milley/

[Grim Reaper 6]

25 minutes ago, and-then said:

Uh, NO, he wasn't.  His job is to execute all lawful orders to the best of his ability.  At the point where he no longer can fulfill that function as such a senior member of the military, his duty was to resign and then raise attention to what he considered a threat. 

Since Trump issued no orders that were unlawful, I'd say it's you, inserting the politics.  Also, pointing out that Milly's actions could have seen him executed in times past is in no way the same as "threatening to execute" him.  Does that clear language really confound you that much?  For example - If I say, "this guy committed treason and deserves execution" does that equate me saying to a subordinate - "go and execute the guy"?  Do you grasp the difference or are you so far gone into the clickbait of MSN threads that you can't discern a difference?  

Sadly your obvious lack of knowledge on the subject prevents you from understanding the duties and responsibilities of the Chairman of the Joint Chief of staff, and the Secretary of Defense. I hope your comments here give you some comfort, and hopefully you will research the subject in the future so you don’t continue to embarrass yourself! In ever situation when Trump opens his pie hole and attacks someone in this manner their personal safety becomes an issue. It’s like a calling card for those afflicted with Trump Devotion Syndrome, his little band of RightWing Extremists will start making death threats, but in this situation it my friend it may backfire on Trump!

Peace

 

Edited September 28 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

Milley taking 'safety precautions' after Trump suggests he's a traitor who deserves death penalty: Milley taking 'safety precautions' after Trump suggests he's a traitor who deserves death penalty (msn.com)

[Agent0range]

16 hours ago, and-then said:

Uh, NO, he wasn't.  His job is to execute all lawful orders to the best of his ability.  At the point where he no longer can fulfill that function as such a senior member of the military, his duty was to resign and then raise attention to what he considered a threat. 

Do you think a high level official isn't allowed to speak with another country without permission?  He doesn't get a to do list on a classified document, and that's what he does for the day.  Was he ordered NOT to call China?  I highly doubt that.  

[+OverSword]

In my opinion it was highly inappropriate for Milley to contact his counterpart on this subject regardless of what is going on behind the scenes in our country.  If Trump issues illegal orders then the General knows what to do.  His duty does not include giving a heads up to a hostile adversary. 

Edited September 28 by OverSword

[Setton]

17 hours ago, and-then said:

His job is to execute all lawful orders to the best of his ability. 

And which lawful order did he not execute?

@Grim Reaper 6 "Serve the kingdom, not the king".

 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

The US is a republic led by elected civilian leaders, and it cannot allow the creation of any precedent, large or small, of military insubordination. Milley is guilty of insubordination and if he felt that a message needed to be relayed to the Chinese then he should of went up the chain of command to the CIC and he would tell the ambassadors and that is what they're for.

Anyone that thinks what Milley did was appropriate had better rethink their position. Especially those who made the Army their career and learned nothing.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, Setton said:

And which lawful order did he not execute?

@Grim Reaper 6 "Serve the kingdom, not the king".

 

 

7 minutes ago, OverSword said:

In my opinion it was highly inappropriate for Milley to contact his counterpart on this subject regardless of what is going on behind the scenes in our country.  If Trump issues illegal orders then the General knows what to do.  His duty does not include giving a heads up to a hostile adversary. 

The first person to contact China was the Secretary of Defense, after that General Miley and the Secretary of Defense brought the Secretary of State and the Director of the CIA into the loop. After it was decided that General Miley should contact his counterpart in the Chinese Military to clarify any misunderstanding that occurred from President Trumps Comments.

Trumps comments about the Nuclear Option had already been leaked to the media. So, in reality he was not giving the Chinese a heads up, his intended purpose for the communication was to deescalated tensions created by Trumps comments. All of this could have been avoided if then President Trump was acting in a mentally competent manner and discussing his nuclear options (against Iran and China) with less than 2 weeks left in office is not a sign of mental stability!

 

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

15 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

The US is a republic led by elected civilian leaders, and it cannot allow the creation of any precedent, large or small, of military insubordination. Milley is guilty of insubordination and if he felt that a message needed to be relayed to the Chinese then he should of went up the chain of command to the CIC and he would tell the ambassadors and that is what they're for.

Anyone that thinks what Milley did was appropriate had better rethink their position. Especially those who made the Army their career and learned nothing.

No actually you should do some research, because it's obvious you are lacking many details about what actually occurred!

[+OverSword]

18 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

 

The first person to contact China was the Secretary of Defense, after that General Miley and the Secretary of Defense brought the Secretary of State and the Director of the CIA into the loop. After it was decided that General Miley should contact his counterpart in the Chinese Military to clarify any misunderstanding that occurred from President Trumps Comments.

Trumps comments about the Nuclear Option had already been leaked to the media. So, in reality he was not giving the Chinese a heads up, his intended purpose for the communication was to deescalated tensions created by Trumps comments. All of this could have been avoided if then President Trump was acting in a mentally competent manner and discussing his nuclear options (against Iran and China) with less than 2 weeks left in office is not a sign of mental stability!

 

 

So they should all be hanged? 

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, OverSword said:

So they should all be hanged? 

There were 12 senior members of our government present when the two calls were made, if they all were hanged our entire government would be decapitated. 

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

There were 12 senior members of our government present when the two calls were made, if they all were hanged our entire government would be decapitated. 

Are you trying to convince a philosophical libertarian that that would be bad?  

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, OverSword said:

Are you trying to convince a philosophical libertarian that that would be bad?  

Certainly not, that would take an act of God!!!!