Scientists May Have Found Missing Piece in COVID-19 Origin Theory

[Grim Reaper 6]

For this recent study, the team of scientists, which also included representatives from the University of Wisconsin, Duke University and Vanderbilt University, found a version of COVID-19 nearly identical to the original Wuhan strain that infected humans in 2019 being harbored in pangolins.

“Pangolins harbor diverse [severe acute respiratory viruses] that are genetically related to SARS-CoV-2, as well as strains circulating in horseshoe bats,” researchers wrote in the study. The team gathered samples from the noses of pangolins, and used genomic sequencing to test them against the version of the virus that first appeared in Wuhan. One gathered strain was more than a 90% match. This suggests the same virus strain circulating among the animals also eventually was transmitted to people.

Scientists May Have Found Missing Piece in COVID-19 Origin Theory (msn.com)

Published in Nature September 25. 2023 - Host range, transmissibility and antigenicity of a pangolin coronavirus: Host range, transmissibility and antigenicity of a pangolin coronavirus | Nature Microbiology

Edited September 29 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

This totally disproves the Lab leak theory, finally the intermediate animal in the transmission chain between Bats and humans has been discovered!

[DieChecker]

On 9/29/2023 at 12:35 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

This totally disproves the Lab leak theory, finally the intermediate animal in the transmission chain between Bats and humans has been discovered!

It certainly puts a spike into that theory. It was the missing intermediate that allowed the Lab theory to gain traction.

Now they need to show pangolins were in that market. That would be a even bigger nail.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, DieChecker said:

It certainly puts a spike into that theory. It was the missing intermediate that allowed the Lab theory to gain traction.

Now they need to show pangolins were in that market. That would be a even bigger nail.

They already did back in 2020, so the Lab leak theory is officially and forever debunked!!! But we both know that even with that said the conspiracy theories will continue to be spread by the same individuals doing it now! Which amounts to those that are antivax and anti-science and nothing will persuade them to change their minds. But hey, that's their right and my right to not pay any attention to them!!

[Scholar4Truth]

The whole bat and wet Market concept has always been the idea has it not for the most part?

[Oniomancer]

On 9/29/2023 at 3:35 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

This totally disproves the Lab leak theory, finally the intermediate animal in the transmission chain between Bats and humans has been discovered!

Or...chinese labs are secretly being staffed by hyper-intelligent pangolins....

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Oniomancer said:

Or...chinese labs are secretly being staffed by hyper-intelligent pangolins....

Thank you very much for the Laugh!!!!!😁

[DieChecker]

On 10/19/2023 at 7:23 AM, Oniomancer said:

Or...chinese labs are secretly being staffed by hyper-intelligent pangolins....

Sounds like a Matt Smith era episode of Dr Who...

[+OverSword]

On 9/29/2023 at 12:35 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

This totally disproves the Lab leak theory, finally the intermediate animal in the transmission chain between Bats and humans has been discovered!

No it absolutely does not disprove the lab leak theory. It only shows a similar strain to the earliest version we know of was found in pangolins, whatever those are. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, OverSword said:

No it absolutely does not disprove the lab leak theory. It only shows a similar strain to the earliest version we know of was found in pangolins, whatever those are. 

OK, thanks for your opinion!

[+OverSword]

18 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

OK, thanks for your opinion!

You are welcome.  If you don't agree you can explain how this disproves a lab leak.

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 hours ago, OverSword said:

You are welcome.  If you don't agree you can explain how this disproves a lab leak.

The OP explains everything in more detail than I can off, if you choose not believe it that’s fine by me.

[DarkHunter]

From the first link

"In other words, researchers believe it is possible that the virus infected pangolins before jumping to humans, based on evidence they found that it can spread airborne and can infect when it enters the nose.

...

However, as mentioned, there is an alternative theory to the COVID-19 pandemic’s origins. Some experts believe that the virus instead was the result of research being carried out at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, just 10 miles away."

And this from the second link that has the paper, specifically the Discussion section

"The GD and GX PgCoV strains have 90.4% and 85.5% identity to the SARS-CoV-2 genome, respectively. While neither of these PgCoV strains is considered the immediate ancestor of SARS-CoV-2, PgCoV strain genetic diversity is substantially higher than previously recognized yet dramatically undersampled, increasing the probability that pangolins may have participated in the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic⁴⁵"

So essentially this whole thing boils down to researchers found a similar, but not an ancestor strain, of Covid-19 in pangolins which lends evidence that pangolins may have been an intermediary species.  They still haven't found an intermediary strain yet of Covid-19 in any animals or the wet market.

Not exactly disproving the lab leak theory.

Or to put it yet another way they have shown that pangolins can probably carry and potentially spread the early Covid-19 virus that started a pandemic but haven't actually found the intermediary Covid-19 strain yet.

Edited November 1 by DarkHunter

[+and-then]

On 10/22/2023 at 10:20 AM, OverSword said:

No it absolutely does not disprove the lab leak theory. It only shows a similar strain to the earliest version we know of was found in pangolins, whatever those are. 

Don't humans and chimpanzees share about a 96% match in DNA?  

[Doug1066]

The pangolin hypothesis has been around since at least 2020.  All this study does is add a little more evidence to the heap.

Doug

[DieChecker]

On 10/31/2023 at 10:37 PM, DarkHunter said:

From the first link

"In other words, researchers believe it is possible that the virus infected pangolins before jumping to humans, based on evidence they found that it can spread airborne and can infect when it enters the nose.

...

However, as mentioned, there is an alternative theory to the COVID-19 pandemic’s origins. Some experts believe that the virus instead was the result of research being carried out at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, just 10 miles away."

And this from the second link that has the paper, specifically the Discussion section

"The GD and GX PgCoV strains have 90.4% and 85.5% identity to the SARS-CoV-2 genome, respectively. While neither of these PgCoV strains is considered the immediate ancestor of SARS-CoV-2, PgCoV strain genetic diversity is substantially higher than previously recognized yet dramatically undersampled, increasing the probability that pangolins may have participated in the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic⁴⁵"

So essentially this whole thing boils down to researchers found a similar, but not an ancestor strain, of Covid-19 in pangolins which lends evidence that pangolins may have been an intermediary species.  They still haven't found an intermediary strain yet of Covid-19 in any animals or the wet market.

Not exactly disproving the lab leak theory.

Or to put it yet another way they have shown that pangolins can probably carry and potentially spread the early Covid-19 virus that started a pandemic but haven't actually found the intermediary Covid-19 strain yet.

I wonder if there are any viruses in the WIVs collection of tens of thousands (I believe I read that a while back) that were collected from pangolins? 

People argue the virus went from bat to pangolin to humans. But what if WIV was working with pangolin viruses already? We'll likely never know, as they've refused all requests for access, or answering any questions, starting in mid-2020.

Complete blackout. Not suspicious at all... no sir....

[DieChecker]

On 11/1/2023 at 1:27 PM, Doug1066 said:

The pangolin hypothesis has been around since at least 2020.  All this study does is add a little more evidence to the heap.

Doug

It's actually, to me, very encouraging, as it shows a direct connection, rather then a supposed connection. 

Probably the CCP has a lot more research and data, but they're not sharing anymore. 

[Emma_Acid]

On 10/22/2023 at 4:20 PM, OverSword said:

No it absolutely does not disprove the lab leak theory.

Kinda desperate, no?

[+OverSword]

17 hours ago, Emma_Acid said:

Kinda desperate, no?

Yes they are.  Unless you would like to tell how a similar strain discovered in pangolins proves the impossibility of a lab leak.  It's a ridiculous statement that can never be proven.

[Unusual Tournament]

On 10/20/2023 at 12:23 AM, Oniomancer said:

Or...chinese labs are secretly being staffed by hyper-intelligent pangolins....

Well that’s funny and i know you jest but it also states an obvious. If the virus originated in China then why didn’t it decimate China and all Asian people as that strain would have been predominantly the baseline. Instead, it went the other way and developed into a European virus more than anything else leaving China virtually untouched.

So I surmise the virus either had nothing to do with China OR it came from Europe, North/South America OR it did come from China and is a genetically modified bio-weapon targeting European ancestry that escaped a lab or was purposely released. 
 

The stupidity of thinking it came from cross contamination of human to bats or pangolins in China and then skipped around the world to attack non Asians is beyond belief 

Edited Saturday at 10:14 AM by Unusual Tournament

[Oniomancer]

7 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Well that’s funny and i know you jest but it also states an obvious. If the virus originated in China then why didn’t it decimate China and all Asian people as that strain would have been predominantly the baseline. Instead, it went the other way and developed into a European virus more than anything else leaving China virtually untouched.

So I surmise the virus either had nothing to do with China OR it came from Europe, North/South America OR it did come from China and is a genetically modified bio-weapon targeting European ancestry that escaped a lab or was purposely released. 
 

The stupidity of thinking it came from cross contamination of human to bats or pangolins in China and then skipped around the world to attack non Asians is beyond belief 

Where were the first reports from though? legit question.

China we know cracked down immediately in a way the west was unwilling or unable to do. (plus there was already some individual masking before the outbreak) There's also been intimations that they've grossly underreported their cases.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Oniomancer said:

Where were the first reports from though? legit question.

China we know cracked down immediately in a way the west was unwilling or unable to do. (plus there was already some individual masking before the outbreak) There's also been intimations that they've grossly underreported their cases.

Let me cue you into a little known fact. 
 

A work colleague married a Chinese women who worked as a nurse in China, and spent the entirety of 2020 and a good portion of 2021 trapped in China. Lived in a city of over 10 million people and the hospitals were not dealing with COVID. Shops and businesses were working normally. There was no crack down. 
 

Something strange?

[Oniomancer]

11 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Let me cue you into a little known fact. 
 

A work colleague married a Chinese women who worked as a nurse in China, and spent the entirety of 2020 and a good portion of 2021 trapped in China. Lived in a city of over 10 million people and the hospitals were not dealing with COVID. Shops and businesses were working normally. There was no crack down. 
 

Something strange?

So, sources both in and out of china lied about the wuhan area being closed off and lied about mass protests against covid restrictions. Interesting.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Oniomancer said:

So, sources both in and out of china lied about the wuhan area being closed off and lied about mass protests against covid restrictions. Interesting.

My colleague was not in Wuhan, so can’t comment on that BUT the rest of China was business as usual.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

On 10/2/2023 at 10:06 AM, DieChecker said:

It certainly puts a spike into that theory. It was the missing intermediate that allowed the Lab theory to gain traction.

Now they need to show pangolins were in that market. That would be a even bigger nail.

They already know it is 100% not pangolins.