The REAL search for aliens goes on

[Grim Reaper 6]

28 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I just read the other day, they have actually *made* a worm hole in a lab not long ago.

I missed that one, but if you have a source I would enjoy reading it!

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, astrobeing said:

Unfortunately abiogenesis is a complicated process through a series of unlikely conditions. Popular media presents it as just a collection of ingredients, as if life will spontaneously appear once they're all mixed together.

I agree it is a complicated process, however if you have an alternate method where life can be created please share it.

[Trelane]

34 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I just read the other day, they have actually *made* a worm hole in a lab not long ago.

I think you may have misunderstood the content you read. If I'm incorrect though, please provide the article you reference.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

Whether a theoretical, hypothetical construction can even exist, never mind be built, is an interesting distraction.  But it ties in with my major objection to a recurrent theme of UFO enthusiasts:

Would a species capable of warping spacetime to create wormholes spanning vast distances:

• Visit Earth in small numbers in flimsy spacecraft that keep crashing near Area 51 (but nowhere else?)
• Visit Earth just to monitor us (e.g. American nuclear stockpiles) and occasionally intervene, but only ever so fleetingly there's never permanent, measurable effect?
• Visit Earth just to stuff probes up fat Americans' butts* for whatever 'scientific' purpose that might serve?

First let me be clear, I don't believe that extraterrestrials have visited Earth yet. However, some of the objects we refer to as UFO's or UAP's could be unmanned probes. Even at our current level of scientific development we are capable of sending unmanned probes that have the ability to leave our Solar System and travel into deep space.

IMO I believe that the universe is brimming over with life and IMO to believe otherwise, would be foolish. I also believe that that life spans the fully spectrum, from one celled creatures to intelligent life that is at all levels of development including extraterrestrial life that surpasses our current development and knowledge.

IMO, if contact with an extraterrestrial species ever occurs it will occur accidentally. In truth I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime, because if an extraterrestrial species has the ability to travel to our fly speck of a Solar system it could be blessing or a curse because they would have to far beyond our present scientific understanding and we would be at their mercy good or bad. However, looking back through our history whenever, a more advanced culture made contact with a less advanced one, it didn't turn out well for the more primitive culture!!!!!

 

2 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

* Sorry for generalising, but statistics bears out that:

a) most people who claim to have been abducted and butt-probed by aliens are Americans; and

b) most Americans are fat.

I don't disagree with this at all so there is no need to be sorry, as far as butt probing goes I think it's a subconscious sexual proclivity!!!

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I missed that one, but if you have a source I would enjoy reading it!

Not quite what I expected but here it is 

:LINK - Physicists Create a Holographic Wormhole Using a Quantum Computer

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Not quite what I expected but here it is 

:LINK - Physicists Create a Holographic Wormhole Using a Quantum Computer

Thank very much, but I have already read this article. I actually was skeptical that any form of wormhole had been created on earth by mankind. Because the intense gravity necessary to accomplish that feat, cannot be duplicated on Earth to my limited knowledge. Currently, the scientific community is focusing their search for naturally occurring wormholes in the vicinity of Black Holes, because of the immense amount of gravity they produce.

However, one thing has been proven to be a fact, space and spacetime can be warped, bent or folded due to the extreme application of gravity at fixed locations, This has been observed so this is just another example of Einstein's theories being proven accurate!!!!!!!!!!

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 hours ago, Trelane said:

I think you may have misunderstood the content you read. If I'm incorrect though, please provide the article you reference.

I did

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I did

Thank you very much for your Candor!!!!!

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I did

Thank you very much for your Candor!!!!!!

[Piney]

On 10/1/2023 at 11:47 AM, Abramelin said:

The synthesis I posted in my former post can occur in nature without the help of organisms.

Bauxite contains aluminium oxide, hydrogen sulfide is often present in volcanic gasses.

Of course that leaves us methanol:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscatal.0c02909

I think a non-biological but natural process is possible to produce methanol. It would recquire kind of extreme circumstances...

Btw., a lifetime ago I studied chemistry and worked in an Eastman-Kodak lab for nearly a decade.

Maybe we better summon @astrobeing

 

They have found methanol in young stellar nebula that was formed from carbon monoxide ice.

 

[astrobeing]

19 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I agree it is a complicated process, however if you have an alternate method where life can be created please share it.

If I did have an alternate method, I wouldn't be posting it here!

[iAlrakis]

On 10/2/2023 at 5:59 PM, astrobeing said:

Unfortunately abiogenesis is a complicated process through a series of unlikely conditions. Popular media presents it as just a collection of ingredients, as if life will spontaneously appear once they're all mixed together.

True but I'm pretty sure that there were some recent (certainly in 2023), new findings about the origin of life that could make it happen 'more frequently'.  That's one.  Plus that the longer the universe/a planet exists the more chance there is for it to happen.

[Trelane]

"Can it?" versus "Did it?" are two very different things.

[astrobeing]

On 10/3/2023 at 10:11 AM, iAlrakis said:

True but I'm pretty sure that there were some recent (certainly in 2023), new findings about the origin of life that could make it happen 'more frequently'.  That's one.  Plus that the longer the universe/a planet exists the more chance there is for it to happen.

Are these "new findings" that you're "pretty sure" about as vague as your description of them?

On 10/3/2023 at 10:11 AM, iAlrakis said:

 Plus that the longer the universe/a planet exists the more chance there is for it to happen.

Yes the longer you play the lottery the more likely you are to win it.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

I know one that @iAlrakisis talking about.

Not long ago, scientists thought there to be about 3,000,000 planets in our galaxy that can support life. A short while ago,
an announcement was made that said - with new photos from the James Webb Space Telescope, they have seen that
there are far more red stars than previously thought, and that made a 100 x affect on that number (3 mill) so
now there are 300 million planets in the galaxy that can support life.

That supports his 'more frequently' assertion.

[astrobeing]

On 10/8/2023 at 1:19 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I know one that @iAlrakisis talking about.

Not long ago, scientists thought there to be about 3,000,000 planets in our galaxy that can support life. A short while ago,
an announcement was made that said - with new photos from the James Webb Space Telescope, they have seen that
there are far more red stars than previously thought, and that made a 100 x affect on that number (3 mill) so
now there are 300 million planets in the galaxy that can support life.

When you learn what they mean by "support life" you'll be disappointed. My table can support chocolate cake yet there is no chocolate cake there.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

4 hours ago, astrobeing said:

When you learn what they mean by "support life" you'll be disappointed. My table can support chocolate cake yet there is no chocolate cake there.

Why do you think I am so stupid that I don't know the ramifications of the term "support life"?

Seeing as though you are continuing to sideswipe me in here, I doubt I'll be responding to you again. An apology is due.

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps
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[astrobeing]

On 10/10/2023 at 1:47 PM, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Why do you think I am so stupid that I don't know the ramifications of the term "support life"?

Because you are talking about 300 million planets that we have no reason to believe they have life on them.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

7 hours ago, astrobeing said:

Because you are talking about 300 million planets that we have no reason to believe they have life on them.

I see. So when the scientists raise the issue, it's because they don't know what they are talking about. Interesting!

[Trelane]

14 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I see. So when the scientists raise the issue, it's because they don't know what they are talking about. Interesting!

That's not what he is saying at all Earl. You know that.

[astrobeing]

On 10/14/2023 at 8:26 AM, Trelane said:

That's not what he is saying at all Earl. You know that.

It's also not what scientists are saying either.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 10/14/2023 at 11:26 AM, Trelane said:

That's not what he is saying at all Earl. You know that.

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astrobeing said:  Because you are talking about 300 million planets that we have no reason to believe they have life on them.

@astrobeing-  It is a FACT (which I refuse to argue) that the scientists indeed said that. That means that the chances of life existing in exoplanets just jumped by a factor of 100 x.

300 million planets in the milky way that can support life. Would you like for me to explain to you what "supports life" means? We have come full circle.

Now, I told you what what scientists said and I refuse to debate that. The possibility that life exists on another exoplanet/s is ripe.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Earl.Of.Trumps

[Trelane]

Care to leave a link for the source of this fact so we all can read for our own?

[Dejarma]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

The possibility that life exists on another exoplanet/s is ripe.

do you think it's possible life exists on other planets? be realistic & honest now:

what percentage would you give it?

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

do you think it's possible life exists on other planets? be realistic & honest now:

what percentage would you give it?

I personally believe that life within our Solar system and across the universe is plentiful. The question is how much of that life is intelligent and that’s impossible to say at our present level of technology. I don’t believe that extraterrestrial intelligent life has ever visited Earth, because I can not see any reason they would come here. Everything, we have to offer can be found in millions of locations across the Universe, except for Human life.

As far as, UFOs or UAPs are concerned theoretically it is possible some of them could be unmanned probes. I mean we have the capability to produce and launch probes that have left our Solar System, so it’s possible that an extraterrestrial civilization could also have sent scientific probes out into the Universe and maybe accidentally some have happened upon our Solar System and Earth.

JIMHO