Faith in Science

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

"Evolution is a Religion. It is a religion. They have to believe, hope, think that these things happened. Have they ever seen spontaneous generation? Have they ever seen a big bang? Have they ever seen one type of animal make another type of animal? They've never seen this. They choose to believe this. Only because they call it science. Science has to meet three criteria. It has to be demonstrable. It has to be testable. And it has to be provable. You can't demonstrate that a spec of dust exploded 4.6 billion years ago and created all there is. You can't demonstrate that, test it or prove it. So it's not science. It falls in the realm of religion." - Steve Powell 

Spontaneous generation must be true, not because it has been proven in the laboratory: but because otherwise it would be necessary to believe in a Creator.  - Ernest Haeckel 

"Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." - Sir Arthur Keith 

"All their textbooks have been written by man" ..."and they don't question that for a second" "There are some people who want desperately for evolution to be true, otherwise, there must be a God." 

"If you tell a kid long enough, hey, you're an animal, you're animal, you're an animal, eventually they're going to break down and feel like their worthless..." 

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

God created the world or the world created itself. Which one requires more faith? Faith in Science. 

Edited September 30 by ReadTheGreatControversyEGW

[+Sherapy]

20 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Evolution is a Religion. It is a religion. They have to believe, hope, think that these things happened. Have they ever seen spontaneous generation? Have they ever seen a big bang? Have they ever seen one type of animal make another type of animal? They've never seen this. They choose to believe this. Only because they call it science. Science has to meet three criteria. It has to be demonstrable. It has to be testable. And it has to be provable. You can't demonstrate that a spec of dust exploded 4.6 billion years ago and created all there is. You can't demonstrate that, test it or prove it. So it's not science. It falls in the realm of religion." - Steve Powell 

Spontaneous generation must be true, not because it has been proven in the laboratory: but because otherwise it would be necessary to believe in a Creator.  - Ernest Haeckel 

"Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." - Sir Arthur Keith 

"All their textbooks have been written by man" ..."and they don't question that for a second" "There are some people who want desperately for evolution to be true, otherwise, there must be a God." 

"If you tell a kid long enough, hey, you're an animal, you're animal, you're an animal, eventually they're going to break down and feel like their worthless..." 

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

God created the world or the world created itself. Which one requires more faith? Faith in Science. 

 

While it is true that some aspects of scientific theory cannot be directly observed, that does not make them equivalent to religious beliefs. Read, you are really struggling to understand that Science is a disciplined approach to understanding the natural world based on evidence, experimentation and logical reasoning. Once again let’s address the specific points you raise:

 The idea of spontaneous generation, where life arises from non-living matter, was debunked in the 19th century through experiments by Louis Pasteur. Instead, the theory of biogenesis, which states that life only comes from pre-existing life, is well-supported.

While no one has observed the Big Bang directly, there is evidence supporting it. Observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation, the abundance of light elements, and the expansion of the universe all align with the Big Bang theory.

Good grief Read, snap out of it evolution does not propose that one animal gives birth to an entirely different animal. Calling @Copasetic Rather, it suggests that over long periods of time, populations of organisms gradually change through genetic variations and natural selection. While we cannot directly observe millions of years of evolution, we have significant evidence from fossil records, genetic studies, and observed instances of speciation.

Science continually seeks to understand the natural world through rigorous testing and evidence-based inquiry. It may rely on indirect and cumulative evidence rather than immediate observations but is distinct from religious belief.

Therefore, you have started a thread to flame bait. 
 

Edited September 30 by Sherapy

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Evolution is a Religion. It is a religion. They have to believe, hope, think that these things happened. Have they ever seen spontaneous generation? Have they ever seen a big bang? Have they ever seen one type of animal make another type of animal? They've never seen this. They choose to believe this. Only because they call it science. Science has to meet three criteria. It has to be demonstrable. It has to be testable. And it has to be provable. You can't demonstrate that a spec of dust exploded 4.6 billion years ago and created all there is. You can't demonstrate that, test it or prove it. So it's not science. It falls in the realm of religion." - Steve Powell 

no, but we have seen examples of trans-generational adaptation. 
Moths becoming darker in order to better camouflage in sooty environments, locationally distinct and adapted tortoises in Galapagos… the whole “dog” business we sped up through selective breeding suggests there’s a mechanism present biologically that we interfered with. 

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Spontaneous generation must be true, not because it has been proven in the laboratory: but because otherwise it would be necessary to believe in a Creator.  - Ernest Haeckel 

what was spontaneously generated? Evolution doesn’t work like “BAM! and now there’s dinosaurs”. You’re thinking of Genesis. 

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." - Sir Arthur Keith 

did you know that glass is a liquid? It moves, albeit so slowly that go out senses it’s a solid. 
Just because we in our (let’s be honest) bare few thousand years of recorded and understood history we haven’t directly seen a creature turn into a crab, doesn’t mean it’s not happening. 

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"All their textbooks have been written by man" ..."and they don't question that for a second" "There are some people who want desperately for evolution to be true, otherwise, there must be a God." 
 

who wrote the Bible again? Wasn’t God….

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

 

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"If you tell a kid long enough, hey, you're an animal, you're animal, you're an animal, eventually they're going to break down and feel like their worthless..." 

bollox. 
However, if you tell a kid “obey or you’re going to hell” enough we get the Taliban. 

24 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

Evolution is simple?

 

[Piney]

22 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Evolution is a Religion. It is a religion. They have to believe, hope, think that these things happened. Have they ever seen spontaneous generation? Have they ever seen a big bang? Have they ever seen one type of animal make another type of animal? They've never seen this. They choose to believe this. Only because they call it science. Science has to meet three criteria. It has to be demonstrable. It has to be testable. And it has to be provable. You can't demonstrate that a spec of dust exploded 4.6 billion years ago and created all there is. You can't demonstrate that, test it or prove it. So it's not science. It falls in the realm of religion." - Steve Powell 

Spontaneous generation must be true, not because it has been proven in the laboratory: but because otherwise it would be necessary to believe in a Creator.  - Ernest Haeckel 

"Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." - Sir Arthur Keith 

"All their textbooks have been written by man" ..."and they don't question that for a second" "There are some people who want desperately for evolution to be true, otherwise, there must be a God." 

"If you tell a kid long enough, hey, you're an animal, you're animal, you're an animal, eventually they're going to break down and feel like their worthless..." 

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

God created the world or the world created itself. Which one requires more faith? Faith in Science. 

So your equating evolution with Nazism? It was your false prophet EGW who promoted racialism. Not evolutionary science.  Evolution is provable as both @psyche101, @cormac mac airt and I have all explained before. 

There's nothing wrong with teaching a child they are part of nature and not above it. They will respect it more. 

[cormac mac airt]

32 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

While it is true that some aspects of scientific theory cannot be directly observed, that does not make them equivalent to religious beliefs. Read, you are really struggling to understand that Science is a disciplined approach to understanding the natural world based on evidence, experimentation and logical reasoning. Once again let’s address the specific points you raise:

 The idea of spontaneous generation, where life arises from non-living matter, was debunked in the 19th century through experiments by Louis Pasteur. Instead, the theory of biogenesis, which states that life only comes from pre-existing life, is well-supported.

While no one has observed the Big Bang directly, there is evidence supporting it. Observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation, the abundance of light elements, and the expansion of the universe all align with the Big Bang theory.

Good grief Read, snap out of it evolution does not propose that one animal gives birth to an entirely different animal. Calling @Copasetic Rather, it suggests that over long periods of time, populations of organisms gradually change through genetic variations and natural selection. While we cannot directly observe millions of years of evolution, we have significant evidence from fossil records, genetic studies, and observed instances of speciation.

Science continually seeks to understand the natural world through rigorous testing and evidence-based inquiry. It may rely on indirect and cumulative evidence rather than immediate observations but is distinct from religious belief.

Therefore, you have started a thread to flame bait. 
 

Copacetic hasn’t been around for a very long time but one can always read what he left from my signature: 

All you need to know about evolution - courtesy of Copasetic ~ http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/profile/71669-copasetic/?tab=field_core_pfield_14

cormac

[XenoFish]

These threads are starting to really feel familiar. 

[Piney]

50 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Therefore, you have started a thread to flame bait. 
 

Obviously, and look foolish without knowing it.

[cormac mac airt]

59 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Evolution is a Religion. It is a religion. They have to believe, hope, think that these things happened. Have they ever seen spontaneous generation? Have they ever seen a big bang? Have they ever seen one type of animal make another type of animal? They've never seen this. They choose to believe this. Only because they call it science. Science has to meet three criteria. It has to be demonstrable. It has to be testable. And it has to be provable. You can't demonstrate that a spec of dust exploded 4.6 billion years ago and created all there is. You can't demonstrate that, test it or prove it. So it's not science. It falls in the realm of religion." - Steve Powell 

Spontaneous generation must be true, not because it has been proven in the laboratory: but because otherwise it would be necessary to believe in a Creator.  - Ernest Haeckel 

"Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." - Sir Arthur Keith 

"All their textbooks have been written by man" ..."and they don't question that for a second" "There are some people who want desperately for evolution to be true, otherwise, there must be a God." 

"If you tell a kid long enough, hey, you're an animal, you're animal, you're an animal, eventually they're going to break down and feel like their worthless..." 

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

God created the world or the world created itself. Which one requires more faith? Faith in Science. 

Your sources are a joke trying to take themselves seriously, why don't you learn what science actually "is" before posting a lot of meaningless crap about what it says, means, etcetra, NONE of the above of which is true. I'm embarrassed for you. The amount of willful ignorance is mind-blowing. 

cormac

[+Sherapy]

25 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Copacetic hasn’t been around for a very long time but one can always read what he left from my signature: 

All you need to know about evolution - courtesy of Copasetic ~ http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/profile/71669-copasetic/?tab=field_core_pfield_14

cormac

 I know, he has been long gone. And, great link you posted. I miss the days he was here. I learned so much from him. 

Edited October 1 by Sherapy

[cormac mac airt]

I'd like to point out another ignorant claim about evolution, which is that evolution attempts to support spontaneous generation. That's not only NOT what evolution is about but evolution itself IS NOT about individuals it is about POPULATIONS. The claim amounts to "garbage in, garbage out". 

cormac

[+Sherapy]

7 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Your sources are a joke trying to take themselves seriously, why don't you learn what science actually "is" before posting a lot of meaningless crap about what it says, means, etcetra, NONE of the above of which is true. I'm embarrassed for you. The amount of willful ignorance is mind-blowing. 

cormac

Just complete garbage posting from this poster.

Edited October 1 by Sherapy

[XenoFish]

Reminds me of This Thread and This one.

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

 I know, he has been long gone. And, great link you posted. I miss the days he was here. I learned so much from him. 

I miss him too but that's why he left all the valuable information he did so that those interested, as well as the willfully ignorant, could learn about what they were talking about instead of making it up as they went along. 

cormac

[+Sherapy]

10 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

I miss him too but that's why he left all the valuable information he did so that those interested, as well as the willfully ignorant, could learn about what they were talking about instead of making it up as they went along. 

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

Just what we didn't need, another thread with ZERO facts and no point whatsoever just to complain about something (science) the OP doesn't even understand? 

Go figure! 

cormac

Edited October 1 by cormac mac airt

[+Sherapy]

20 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Reminds me of This Thread and This one.

I missed the second thread. Eighty rocked it. I am reading it very interesting counters. And, yeah, we get a new illy every few years it seems; 

Edited October 1 by Sherapy

[+Sherapy]

11 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Just what we didn't need, another thread with ZERO facts and no point whatsoever just to complain about something (science) the OP doesn't even understand? 

Go figure! 

cormac

 

11 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Just what we didn't need, another thread with ZERO facts and no point whatsoever just to complain about something (science) the OP doesn't even understand? 

Go figure! 

cormac

It isn’t even his own thoughts he is quoting others. I say it is flame baiting.

[cormac mac airt]

5 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

It isn’t even his own thoughts he is quoting others. I say it is flame baiting.

I've reported it for clarification as it contains ZERO facts or understanding of what science is or does. Perhaps Saru can provide an answer. 

cormac

[Antigonos]

The very title of this thread demonstrates your complete and utter lack of understanding of what science is.

This is just yet another excuse for you to start preaching under the guise of discussing something else. You aren’t interested in an intelligent exchange of ideas, you don’t care what anybody thinks or says. 
 

You don’t even have your own thoughts. You mindlessly parrot others.

Edited October 1 by Antigonos

[+Hammerclaw]

There's no point in arguing with one so ignorant they believe this crap. He just wants to feel chosen and special and better than everyone else. He loves the ego fulfilling attention he gets here.

 

[+Sherapy]

1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

I've reported it for clarification as it contains ZERO facts or understanding of what science is or does. Perhaps Saru can provide an answer. 

cormac

Thank you

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

So your equating evolution with Nazism? It was your false prophet EGW who promoted racialism. Not evolutionary science.  Evolution is provable as both @psyche101, @cormac mac airt and I have all explained before. 

There's nothing wrong with teaching a child they are part of nature and not above it. They will respect it more. 

Very very well said Piney!!!!!!!

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

"Evolution is a Religion. It is a religion. They have to believe, hope, think that these things happened. Have they ever seen spontaneous generation? Have they ever seen a big bang? Have they ever seen one type of animal make another type of animal? They've never seen this. They choose to believe this. Only because they call it science. Science has to meet three criteria. It has to be demonstrable. It has to be testable. And it has to be provable. You can't demonstrate that a spec of dust exploded 4.6 billion years ago and created all there is. You can't demonstrate that, test it or prove it. So it's not science. It falls in the realm of religion." - Steven Powell

If Steven Powell truly believes this his ignorance is truly astounding, and if you believe it, I have some Ocean front Property in Arizona I would be willing to sell you!!!

The only Steven Powell I have been able to located, is a Steve Powell who Was Convicted of *** Blocked ***ography Possession & Served Time in Prison : Steve Powell, Josh Powell’s Father: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com if this is a different Steven Powell, please provide a source!!!!!

5 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Spontaneous generation must be true, not because it has been proven in the laboratory: but because otherwise it would be necessary to believe in a Creator.  - Ernest Haeckel 

"Evolution is unproven and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable." - Sir Arthur Keith 

"All their textbooks have been written by man" ..."and they don't question that for a second" "There are some people who want desperately for evolution to be true, otherwise, there must be a God." 

"If you tell a kid long enough, hey, you're an animal, you're animal, you're an animal, eventually they're going to break down and feel like their worthless..." 

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler

God created the world or the world created itself. Which one requires more faith? Faith in Science. 

Maybe it is just me, but it certainly appears you are intentionally trying to create drama, so I must ask why because your attitude certainly is unlike any Christian I have ever known!!!!!!!

 

Edited October 1 by Grim Reaper 6

[eight bits]

2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The only Steven Powell I have been able to located, is a Steve Powell who Was Convicted of *** Blocked ***ography Possession & Served Time in Prison : Steve Powell, Josh Powell’s Father: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com if this is a different Steven Powell, please provide a source!!!!!

My guess is that Read meant Stephen Powell, this guy

https://lionoflight.org/

maybe.

Edited October 1 by eight bits

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 minutes ago, eight bits said:

My guess is that Read meant Stephen Powell, this guy

https://lionoflight.org/

maybe.

I sincerely hope so, it was creepy when I looked up Steven Powell!

Thanks much for the link, that certainly make much more sense!