revelations the horrible day

[trevor borocz johnson]

How will angels bring down the sickle to kill a third of man?

It probably won't be some slow process like dying of heat,

It sounds like they are going to kill the third  suddenly!

I imagine if the ice in the north suddenly was in the sea

that would wipe out the third pretty quickly?

 

[Alchopwn]

1 hour ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

How will angels bring down the sickle to kill a third of man?

It probably won't be some slow process like dying of heat,

It sounds like they are going to kill the third  suddenly!

I imagine if the ice in the north suddenly was in the sea

that would wipe out the third pretty quickly?

The Book of Revelations has nothing to do with the present world.  The "prophecies" such as they are solely refer to the Roman Empire, and specifically name Emperor Nero as the anti-Christ.  They are about as silly as that time Jesus said "I'm going to head to Bactria for a while until the heat dies down in Palestine" and that somehow became turned into the prophecy of the Second Coming.  The main value that the Book of Revelations has these days is in sending Schizophrenics and religious hysterics into dangerous episodes.  There should be a law against letting people of a vulnerable mental state be subjected to the BoR imo.

Edited October 1, 2023 by Alchopwn

[trevor borocz johnson]

6 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

The Book of Revelations has nothing to do with the present world.  The "prophecies" such as they are solely refer to the Roman Empire, and specifically name Emperor Nero as the anti-Christ.  They are about as silly as that time Jesus said "I'm going to head to Bactria for a while until the heat dies down in Palestine" and that somehow became turned into the prophecy of the Second Coming.  The main value that the Book of Revelations has these days is in sending Schizophrenics and religious hysterics into dangerous episodes.  There should be a law against letting people of a vulnerable mental state be subjected to the BoR imo.

There were 6 things that jumped out at me as I read revelations for the first time about 10 years ago. One of them that is my favorite but most insignificant, I was reading the book on my floor under a lamp when I was getting confused by the text and about to stop reading when the angel put his foot down and gave johnny revelator the book that is sweet like honey and bitter to his stomach. Right in front of me on the floor was honey based ant poison on a little piece of cardboard. Cause we get bad ants at my house.

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Alchopwn said:

The Book of Revelations has nothing to do with the present world.  The "prophecies" such as they are solely refer to the Roman Empire, and specifically name Emperor Nero as the anti-Christ.  They are about as silly as that time Jesus said "I'm going to head to Bactria for a while until the heat dies down in Palestine" and that somehow became turned into the prophecy of the Second Coming.  The main value that the Book of Revelations has these days is in sending Schizophrenics and religious hysterics into dangerous episodes.  There should be a law against letting people of a vulnerable mental state be subjected to the BoR imo.

I interpret Revelations as being a satirical shot at Rome, maybe even the mainstream Christian Church there because of the amount of sects that existed then.

The fact that it plagiarized Daniel is the telling part.

[Orphalesion]

As others have said the Revelation of John (The Apocalypse of John) is not a prophecy. It's an allegory for things that happened in the past. The vast majority of Apocalypses are that.

[+joc]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

I interpret Revelations as being a satirical shot at Rome, maybe even the mainstream Christian Church there because of the amount of sects that existed then.

The fact that it plagiarized Daniel is the telling part.

Blasphemy!!  It is just another witness to what Daniel saw!!  John saw it toooooo!!  See how God synchronized the OT and the NT in one swipe of His mighty hand?  God had a vision.  He shared it with Daniel.  Then Daniel shared it with the world.  Then God  shared it with Jesus.  Then Jesus shared it with John.  And now John is sharing it with us...again!  You sir are no Christian!  Hmmph...  Good Day sir!

[trevor borocz johnson]

I for one wouldn't trust anybody's interpretation of revelation

definitely not scholars and the interpretations I've read are full of it

divine intervention doesn't speak to everyone

I don't care how smart you are

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by trevor borocz johnson

[cormac mac airt]

Angels won’t be killing 1/3 of anything considering the event was expected nearly 2000 years ago and never happened. 
 

cormac

[trevor borocz johnson]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Angels won’t be killing 1/3 of anything considering the event was expected nearly 2000 years ago and never happened. 
 

cormac

I hate being blind but I am. I can only guess at the meaning of the text. Same as everyone. If you've read it yourself your aware of that fact.

[Crazy Horse]

4 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

How will angels bring down the sickle to kill a third of man?

It probably won't be some slow process like dying of heat,

It sounds like they are going to kill the third  suddenly!

I imagine if the ice in the north suddenly was in the sea

that would wipe out the third pretty quickly?

 

I would imagine, by bringing karma, to account, instantly.

[cormac mac airt]

1 hour ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

I hate being blind but I am. I can only guess at the meaning of the text. Same as everyone. If you've read it yourself your aware of that fact.

The fact I’m aware of is that it’s a fools errand to look for some meaning in an alleged event that was expected to occur some 2000 years ago as if it’s relevant to modern times, it’s not and was never meant to be. 
 

cormac

[trevor borocz johnson]

16 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

I would imagine, by bringing karma, to account, instantly.

Nice of you to drop by horse, I don't doubt that some are in direct line with the same that were back then and some have waited for the day of redemption. Unfortunatley for those who will inherit the earth, its going to be a while still I think, but at least the day is in sight no?

[Crazy Horse]

10 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

Nice of you to drop by horse, I don't doubt that some are in direct line with the same that were back then and some have waited for the day of redemption. Unfortunatley for those who will inherit the earth, its going to be a while still I think, but at least the day is in sight no?

Hard to say, really.

Like, a day to GOD, is a long long time to us folk.

But, I do feel that life is quickening towards the Truth.

Time shall tell.

No doubt.

GOD bless us all.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

I for one wouldn't trust anybody's interpretation of revelation

definitely not scholars and the interpretations I've read are full of it

divine intervention doesn't speak to everyone

I don't care how smart you are

 

Those who reject faith as being childish, ignorant, or insanity, engage in a kind of faith themselves but will never admit it.  Their opinions are their own and they're welcome to them.  It's odd that they spend such time an energy trying to shout down or mock those who disagree with them, but so be it.  As for "killing the third", it's actually 2/3 who will perish during that final seven years.  It begins with the usual kinds of man-made obscenities like the one in Ukraine.  The difference is that it will not remain a small, local war but will spread and lead to a level of mass deaths unheard of in history.

Anyone who thinks that we won't see an exchange of nuclear weapons at some point is just whistling past the graveyard.  It WILL happen.  Once it does, the disruption it causes will lead to the riding of the rest of the "horsemen".  Red (war) is always followed by (Black) scarcity and famine, then widespread disease (Pale green).  Never worry though, the wise among us will always be able to explain why our faith is ridiculous...  

[+Sherapy]

7 minutes ago, and-then said:

Those who reject faith as being childish, ignorant, or insanity, engage in a kind of faith themselves but will never admit it.  Their opinions are their own and they're welcome to them.  It's odd that they spend such time an energy trying to shout down or mock those who disagree with them, but so be it.  As for "killing the third", it's actually 2/3 who will perish during that final seven years.  It begins with the usual kinds of man-made obscenities like the one in Ukraine.  The difference is that it will not remain a small, local war but will spread and lead to a level of mass deaths unheard of in history.

Anyone who thinks that we won't see an exchange of nuclear weapons at some point is just whistling past the graveyard.  It WILL happen.  Once it does, the disruption it causes will lead to the riding of the rest of the "horsemen".  Red (war) is always followed by (Black) scarcity and famine, then widespread disease (Pale green).  Never worry though, the wise among us will always be able to explain why our faith is ridiculous...  

It seems like you're expressing concerns or beliefs about potential catastrophic events and the impact they may have. Catastrophizing is a cognitive distortion where individuals tend to imagine the worst-case scenario and believe that something terrible will inevitably happen. While it is natural to have concerns about potential risks, it is essential to ensure that these concerns are based on reliable information and evidence.

Fear seems to be influencing the way you perceive and interpret events, is leading to your cognitive biases and exaggerations of potential negative outcomes. It is important to be aware of this and approach such thoughts with critical thinking and an understanding of your sources. It is really important to use credible sources. 

Remember that forecasting specific events, especially catastrophic ones, is highly challenging. The future is influenced by multiple factors, and while we can observe patterns and trends from the past, it is impossible to predict exact outcomes or timelines with certainty.

 

If concerns about potential catastrophic events are causing distress or impacting daily life, it might be helpful to speak with a mental health professional who can provide guidance and support. Perhaps, it can help address your anxieties or fears in a productive and healthy manner. All the best.

[+Hammerclaw]

24 minutes ago, and-then said:

Those who reject faith as being childish, ignorant, or insanity, engage in a kind of faith themselves but will never admit it.  Their opinions are their own and they're welcome to them.  It's odd that they spend such time an energy trying to shout down or mock those who disagree with them, but so be it.  As for "killing the third", it's actually 2/3 who will perish during that final seven years.  It begins with the usual kinds of man-made obscenities like the one in Ukraine.  The difference is that it will not remain a small, local war but will spread and lead to a level of mass deaths unheard of in history.

Anyone who thinks that we won't see an exchange of nuclear weapons at some point is just whistling past the graveyard.  It WILL happen.  Once it does, the disruption it causes will lead to the riding of the rest of the "horsemen".  Red (war) is always followed by (Black) scarcity and famine, then widespread disease (Pale green).  Never worry though, the wise among us will always be able to explain why our faith is ridiculous...  

That's not Faith, that's an obsessive/compulsive disorder. 

[trevor borocz johnson]

I don't believe the and then prophecy either

Like I said 

no man understands

but 

I don't think nuclear war

is going to stop the 

people from preparing for the tidal wave of the century

which they will probably reach the level of looting

in preparation 

 

 

[trevor borocz johnson]

It would be smart if the world was prepared

but it says a 3rd will die

that sounds like no preparation at all

I have to frown upon everyone at this point

I'm too blind to guess the day this will happen

what I'm saying though is if it was from even a small tsunami

people would wise up that there would be more and get going

so its going to be a sudden sweeping of the grapes as it is put

[Orphalesion]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Those who reject faith as being childish, ignorant, or insanity, engage in a kind of faith themselves but will never admit it. 

Again you are supposing that anybody who doesn't subscribe to your god idea and your interpretation of the bible is "faithless". This isn't true.

1 hour ago, and-then said:

  It's odd that they spend such time an energy trying to shout down or mock those who disagree with them, but so be it. 

The same could be said for many of those who believe it to be a prophecy. They keep bringing it up, don't they?

In the end we are on a forum here and so thread that are posted will be discussed.

I for one have the personal reason for pointing out that it is an allegory because I don't like the idea of people being scared that some day all sorts of Apocalyptic monsters will show up and slaughter us before Jesus comes with his iron rod.

Now, I am not saying that every religious Christian uses it in that way...but fear is one of the most awful weapons those in power have to control the masses, so I like to dismantle it wherever I can. If you notice I also jump at any thread that mentions Nostradamus or UFO prophecies. I'm not picking on your God Idea, I'm picking on fear mongering.

4 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

It would be smart if the world was prepared

And...let's assume it is true...how is the world exactly supposed to prepare for all sorts of heavenly beings and monsters and natural disasters causing a veritable blood bath because an exorbitantly vengeful version of the Abrahamic God told them to?

Edited October 1, 2023 by Orphalesion

[cormac mac airt]

3 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

It would be smart if the world was prepared

but it says a 3rd will die

that sounds like no preparation at all

I have to frown upon everyone at this point

I'm too blind to guess the day this will happen

what I'm saying though is if it was from even a small tsunami

people would wise up that there would be more and get going

so its going to be a sudden sweeping of the grapes as it is put

And yet you fail, repeatedly, to understand that it was something written for and expected to occur in the latter 1st century AD yet never happened. Its continued existence in the minds of many relies solely on reinterpreting it for later and later dates much like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and other such groups have done. Put succinctly its stupidity at its finest. 
 

cormac

[trevor borocz johnson]

7 minutes ago, Orphalesion said:

And...let's assume it is true...how is the world exactly supposed to prepare for all sorts of heavenly beings and monsters and natural disasters causing a veritable blood bath because an exorbitantly vengeful version of the Abrahamic God told them to?

I don't know one guy suggested a boat or some swimming instructions, in any event they won't so what does it matter? 

[trevor borocz johnson]

Evacuation routes often are marked by a wave with an arrow in the direction of higher ground. If you are in the water, then grab onto something that floats, such as a raft or tree trunk. If you are in a boat, face the direction of the waves and head out to sea. If you are in a harbor, go inland.

This is sound advice on how to prepare. I live 500 feet above sea level so I don't really need it  I hope.

 

[Orphalesion]

40 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

This is sound advice on how to prepare. I live 500 feet above sea level so I don't really need it  I hope.

 

Well then you're just gonna die when Yahweh topples every mountain.

Also not sure why you fixate so much on floods. Aside from every Island being drowned Revelation doesn't feature any floods.

You have read it, right?

Edited October 1, 2023 by Orphalesion

[trevor borocz johnson]

19 minutes ago, Orphalesion said:

Well then you're just gonna die when Yahweh topples every mountain.

Also not sure why you fixate so much on floods. Aside from every Island being drowned Revelation doesn't feature any floods.

You have read it, right?

worthy is the lamb who was slain. All other false prophets are just eye candy.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Revelation is the GRAND CLIMAX of the Biblical narrative. 
it HAS to be epic, it has to be literally the culmination of everything. It’s the “No sir… ALL THIRTEEN!” moment for the Bible. The “I brought some friends” moment. The “Cap.. on your left…” moment. 
Everything builds to it and it’s literally the fight to end all fights. There magic. There’s death on a literally biblical scale. Monsters. … everyone gets what they deserve. 
Remwmber, th3 Bible is a collection of stories, myths, prophesies, poetry, etc etc why shouldn’t it also have a massive action scene?