Ica Stones & Other Ancient Artifacts

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

Narrator makes some compelling arguments for the Ica Stones. Towards the end of the video, he highlighted several original ancient artifacts depicting Dinosaurs.    

What I find suspicious is how the scientific community responded to the Ica Stones and the fact that what the local authorities did worked in their favor.  

[Abramelin]

I actually met the guy, Cabrera when I visited his little museum in Ica back in 1991.

I also met a guy who knew for certain this Cabrera was a fool to believe all those fake stones were for real. He even got quite angry when I mentioned Cabrera, heh.

[Carnoferox]

The Ica Stones are a classic PRATT (point refuted a thousand times). The dinosaurs on them were clearly referenced from pop culture depictions of the 50's-60's and do not reflect how they actually looked. This belongs in the "Alternative History" or "Myths & Legends" sections, not the "Paleontology, Archaeology, & History" section. 

Edited October 1 by Carnoferox

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

I actually met the guy, Cabrera when I visited his little museum in Ica back in 1991.

I also met a guy who knew for certain this Cabrera was a fool to believe all those fake stones were for real. He even got quite angry when I mentioned Cabrera, heh.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/340180-there-was-no-advanced-ancient-civilization/page/8/#comment-7172294

Read posts 188 & 189.

[DieChecker]

The Ica Stones has been done to death. Fake stones, carved, and collected, showing how dinosaurs were viewed 50 years ago.

Like finding scratchings of the USS Enterprise on a rock, and claiming the rock came from the future.

[Piney]

On 10/1/2023 at 12:25 PM, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Narrator makes some compelling arguments for the Ica Stones. Towards the end of the video, he highlighted several original ancient artifacts depicting Dinosaurs.    

What I find suspicious is how the scientific community responded to the Ica Stones and the fact that what the local authorities did worked in their favor.  

Did Ellen G.White predict theses? I love how your cult uses narratives to prove Young Earth Creationism that Adrew Schlafly and Ken Ham wouldn't touch. 

[Kenemet]

On 10/1/2023 at 11:25 AM, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Narrator makes some compelling arguments for the Ica Stones. Towards the end of the video, he highlighted several original ancient artifacts depicting Dinosaurs.    

What I find suspicious is how the scientific community responded to the Ica Stones and the fact that what the local authorities did worked in their favor.  

Not suspicious at all.  We *know* what dinosaurs look like.  The ones on the Ica Stones are taken from 1950's depictions of dinosaurs in kids books.

They're great folk art.  They are proof the the people in the area can make some very charming dinosaur art.  But they're not evidence of dinosaurs.

[Windowpane]

On 10/1/2023 at 6:38 PM, Carnoferox said:

The Ica Stones are a classic PRATT (point refuted a thousand times). ...

As here (2008) ...  The thread included comments from some poster called Hans ...

[Abramelin]

@ReadTheGreatControversyEGW

Where are you?

No balls to show up and answer some of the replies?

Trolling, eh?

Yeah.

I wonder why the hell we even bother.

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 10/2/2023 at 6:26 PM, Kenemet said:

Not suspicious at all.  We *know* what dinosaurs look like.  The ones on the Ica Stones are taken from 1950's depictions of dinosaurs in kids books.

They're great folk art.  They are proof the the people in the area can make some very charming dinosaur art.  But they're not evidence of dinosaurs.

They came from more than one source. The depictions of surgery may be some form of crazy barbarous practice (pregnant woman was crying). But what of the telescope depiction? Those didn't exist at the time. How can one man create all of the stones he sold off (thousands) any way? 

Edit - the telescope depiction may actually be a man blowing through something 

Edited October 7 by ReadTheGreatControversyEGW

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 10/1/2023 at 12:38 PM, Carnoferox said:

The Ica Stones are a classic PRATT (point refuted a thousand times). The dinosaurs on them were clearly referenced from pop culture depictions of the 50's-60's and do not reflect how they actually looked. This belongs in the "Alternative History" or "Myths & Legends" sections, not the "Paleontology, Archaeology, & History" section. 

What of the other stones found by Alejandro that are very similar to the ica stones and dated back in the BC era?

[Antigonos]

12 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

But what of the telescope depiction? Those didn't exist at the time.

Edit - the telescope depiction may actually be a man blowing through something 

Telescopes didn’t exist in the 1950s?

 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 10/2/2023 at 6:26 PM, Kenemet said:

Not suspicious at all.  We *know* what dinosaurs look like.  The ones on the Ica Stones are taken from 1950's depictions of dinosaurs in kids books.

They're great folk art.  They are proof the the people in the area can make some very charming dinosaur art.  But they're not evidence of dinosaurs.

I put it out to see what's the general consensus. The scientific community definitely don't favor them. That man had a pretty terrible jail sentence on his head if he said anything else. 

What about the original artifacts he listed at the end showing dinosaurs coinciding with human civilization (he listed several of them, not the Ica stones)?

It's no secret that I believe dinosaurs were alive on earth with mankind. Bones of giants are often called fake. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

10 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

23 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

But what of the telescope depiction? Those didn't exist at the time.

Edit - the telescope depiction may actually be a man blowing through something 

Telescopes didn’t exist in the 1950s?

I think those stones are much older than the 1950s. 

[Hanslune]

41 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

I think those stones are much older than the 1950s. 

'Think' is nice but how about evidence? As noted this subject is one deemed ' to silly to reconsider'. People make up stuff to make money, getting over on the gullible and gain attention. There is no evidence these are not modern - the fact we have no modern dinosaurs around (except birds) might be a hint.

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

I put it out to see what's the general consensus. The scientific community definitely don't favor them. That man had a pretty terrible jail sentence on his head if he said anything else. 

What about the original artifacts he listed at the end showing dinosaurs coinciding with human civilization (he listed several of them, not the Ica stones)?

It's no secret that I believe dinosaurs were alive on earth with mankind. Bones of giants are often called fake. 

They are also fake (some are misrepresentations of real objects; objects that have been studied by people familiar with the culture.)  The "petroglyph of a dinosaur" again is some person in the past 40 years doing the "Shell Oil Company Dino" as graffiti on a petroglyph panel.  You can tell because sauropods don't look like that AND because the color of the rock that's been pecked is almost pure white.  Very old petroglyphs are the same color as the parent rock.

If you have a local museum, you might see if they take volunteers and ask to be put in the fossil prep labs.  I could sit here and argue points all day long, but the best thing would be to actually have you get hands on with fossils and learn about paleontology and fossils and the history of the earth.

And no, the evidence for giants also consists of misidentified bones, hypothetical reconstructions presented as real objects, and art where rulers and people of importance are presented as being larger than life... in their own tombs with the body of that person (ordinary size) lying right next to the mural that showed them as larger than all the peasants around them.

Edited October 8 by Kenemet

[Windowpane]

Wiki (Sp.) on the Ica stones.

See also here (Sp.)

Blog discussions of giants (for example, problems with the case of the nine-foot giants in Patagonia).

Edited October 8 by Windowpane
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[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 10/7/2023 at 8:50 PM, Kenemet said:

They are also fake (some are misrepresentations of real objects; objects that have been studied by people familiar with the culture.)  The "petroglyph of a dinosaur" again is some person in the past 40 years doing the "Shell Oil Company Dino" as graffiti on a petroglyph panel.  You can tell because sauropods don't look like that AND because the color of the rock that's been pecked is almost pure white.  Very old petroglyphs are the same color as the parent rock.

If you have a local museum, you might see if they take volunteers and ask to be put in the fossil prep labs.  I could sit here and argue points all day long, but the best thing would be to actually have you get hands on with fossils and learn about paleontology and fossils and the history of the earth.

And no, the evidence for giants also consists of misidentified bones, hypothetical reconstructions presented as real objects, and art where rulers and people of importance are presented as being larger than life... in their own tombs with the body of that person (ordinary size) lying right next to the mural that showed them as larger than all the peasants around them.

I take with a grain of salt any knowledge communicated about the origins of the world and its history - I cannot verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that what is presented to me is completely or even partly true. All I have control over is what I know by experience. 

[Piney]

4 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

I take with a grain of salt any knowledge communicated about the origins of the world and its history - I cannot verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that what is presented to me is completely or even partly true. All I have control over is what I know by experience. 

So this is your excuse for denying science yet believing complete bull****. 

Oh, the Great Tribulation is here according to your fellow Millerites,  the Jehovah Witnesses so the Sunday Laws are right around the corner.

You better hide before a Catholic cop puts you in a FEMA detention center for going to church on Saturday. 

[The Puzzler]

The Ica Stones? Gosh, didn’t I have this topic like 10 years ago and was thrown into Tartarus for my outlandish thoughts…? The Ica Stones, what planet you on matey? 

[Piney]

On 10/10/2023 at 10:25 AM, The Puzzler said:

The Ica Stones? Gosh, didn’t I have this topic like 10 years ago and was thrown into Tartarus for my outlandish thoughts…? The Ica Stones, what planet you on matey? 

Planet Seventh-Day Adventist. Right next to planet Jehovah Witness. 

[DieChecker]

8 hours ago, Piney said:

Planet Seventh-Day Adventist. Right next to planet Jehovah Witness. 

No, no, no. Only the LDS get planets.

The JW just all go to Hell, because the 144,000 are already picked out.