cormac mac airt Posted November 20, 2023 #226 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, Will Due said: Negative attitude. Nope, neither Xeno nor I am putting words in the mouth of a 2000 year old dead man, that would be your (and others like you) doing. It’s rather disrespectful really. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 20, 2023 #227 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Just now, cormac mac airt said: Nope, neither Xeno nor I am putting words in the mouth of a 2000 year old dead man, that would be your (and others like you) doing. It’s rather disrespectful really. cormac Are talking walk on water jesus or space jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 20, 2023 #228 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Are talking walk on water jesus or space jesus? Doesn’t matter, there’s a psychological problem there either way by putting words in the mouth of a corpse. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 20, 2023 #229 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Nope, neither Xeno nor I am putting words in the mouth of a 2000 year old dead man, that would be your (and others like you) doing. It’s rather disrespectful really. cormac Why do you disrespectfully put words in mouths of the living that nothing can be known about Jesus beyond him being a Jew? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 20, 2023 #230 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Many a 12-year-old recognizes and knows the spiritual truths about Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 20, 2023 #231 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Will Due said: Why do you disrespectfully put words in mouths of the living that nothing can be known about Jesus beyond him being a Jew? Because from a religious perspective it’s a fact. You know, the most important thing you DON’T have. You’ve never met the man in person, never read anything actually written by him nor by any who lived contemporary to him. Everything that can be expected from a male Jew of 2000 years ago is the extent of knowledge about him, everything else is hearsay. cormac Edited November 21, 2023 by cormac mac airt Clarification 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 20, 2023 #232 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Will Due said: Many a 12-year-old recognizes and knows the spiritual truths about Jesus. Because the kid was told stuff. Edited November 21, 2023 by XenoFish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 21, 2023 #233 Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Will Due said: Why do you disrespectfully put words in mouths of the living that nothing can be known about Jesus beyond him being a Jew? The Jesus that's often discussed is just a fictional character. Not even a dead man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #234 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Because the kids was told stuff. And are impressionable. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 21, 2023 #235 Share Posted November 21, 2023 The worst part about doomsday prophecies is when entire cultures seek to make them real. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #236 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Because from a religious perspective it’s a fact. What about the truths that come from the spiritual perspective? Edited November 21, 2023 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #237 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, Will Due said: What about the truths that come from the spiritual perspective? Prove there is a spiritual perspective, and one that’s definitively relevant to Jesus the man! Being able to know nothing about the man beyond what I pointed out pretty much shuts your discussion down. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #238 Share Posted November 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Prove there is a spiritual perspective You already did. You claim as a deist, that there is a creator. Didn't you do that from a spiritual perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #239 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Will Due said: You already did. You claim as a deist, that there is a creator. Didn't you do that from a spiritual perspective? Nope, as my definition of Creator isn’t remotely the same as yours. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #240 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Nope, as my definition of Creator isn’t remotely the same as yours. cormac Yes I know. But didn't you develop your definition of a creator from your spiritual perspective? Edited November 21, 2023 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #241 Share Posted November 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Because the kid was told stuff. There are kids who where told stuff that Jesus didn't exist and that everything said about him is a lie. Yet some of those kids instinctively knew that wasn't true spiritually. Sometimes even before they were 12 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #242 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Will Due said: Yes I know. But didn't you develop your definition from your spiritual perspective? Nope. There is no spiritual aspect to it. “Creator” is just the best word applicable for something well beyond your pseudo-Christian belief in God. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #243 Share Posted November 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Nope. There is no spiritual aspect to it. “Creator” is just the best word applicable for something well beyond your pseudo-Christian belief in God. cormac If there is no spiritual aspect to it, how did you end up knowing that deity is the creator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #244 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Will Due said: If there is no spiritual aspect to it, how did you end up knowing that deity is the creator? I’m not stuck on the word Deity any more than the word Creator. That’s YOUR limitation. And I don’t really like the word God as it comes with loads of Abrahamic baggage. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #245 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: I’m not stuck on the word Deity any more than the word Creator. It's interesting that you didn't mention the word spiritual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #246 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: It's interesting that you didn't mention the word spiritual. What difference does it make. Deity and Creator are nothing more than placeholders for something which is beyond human comprehension IMO. “Spiritual” is meaningless in that regard. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted November 21, 2023 #247 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Will Due said: Many a 12-year-old recognizes and knows the spiritual truths about Jesus. yeah after the indoctrination.. Tell me: how old were you when you worked out Santa isn't real? Or maybe you still believe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #248 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: What difference does it make. Deity and Creator are nothing more than placeholders for something which is beyond human comprehension IMO. “Spiritual” is meaningless in that regard. cormac Spiritual comprehension is not meaningless. In my opinion, comprehending reality spiritually is the most meaningful thing of all. Deity and the Creator are the epitome of something to be comprehended spiritually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted November 21, 2023 #249 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dejarma said: yeah after the indoctrination.. Tell me: how old were you when you worked out Santa isn't real? Or maybe you still believe Hey, how old are you going to be before you pull yourself out of the idea that you have to live in a tunnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted November 21, 2023 #250 Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Will Due said: Spiritual comprehension is not meaningless. In my opinion, comprehending reality spiritually is the most meaningful thing of all. Deity and the Creator are the epitome of something to be comprehended spiritually. Your opinion doesn’t make it true. But then whatever story helps you sleep at night. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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