Why "osiris" Didn't Exist Before The 5th Dynasty.

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, cladking said:

Thank you for addressing this.  I'm surprised! 

So what do you believe this means?

1140c. (he is dried) by the wind of the great Isis, together with (which) the great Isis dried (him) like Horus.
...
1146a. N. is the pouring down of rain; he came forth as the coming into being of water;
1146b. for he is the Nḥb-kȝ.w-serpent with the many coils;

Is the word order mere coincidence?  

It means you're using a conglomerated Book of the Dead, and THIS section is grabbing some material from the Coffin Texts.

It doesn't appear in any of the actual pyramid texts.

[Thanos5150]

1 hour ago, Nosy.Matters said:

crickets ..... enlightenment

 

 

nstead of saying, “You’re an idiot for thinking that,” a more constructive response would be, “I can see that we have different perspectives on this matter.”

That ship said over a decade ago. No, he's really just an idiot. 

[Wepwawet]

5 hours ago, cladking said:

Why did they have a compound word "osiris N".

 

Well I'll jump back into the loony bin for this. You have been shown conclusively and repeatedly that the formula "Osiris N" does not exist in the PT, it is a device used by translators to indicate that a specific text has come from the pyramid of Queen Neath, and that as the texts in question are for a king, not his queen, her name is omitted in the texts. I asked you dozens of times to show "Osiris N" in the PT in hieroglyphs, and you failed to do so, engaging in the most pathetic mental gymnastics to skirt around your blatant lying and shocking lack of knowledge.

I'll post the image again, show this formula in any text from any pyramid, or any hieroglyphic texts from anywhere and at anytime in their history. When you realise that you cannot, and you know this already of course, then retract every single nonsense statement you have made about non existant hieroglyphic "Osiris N".

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, cladking said:

You want to compare apples and oranges.  It was not some "trait" that separates homo sapiens from homo omnisciencis it is a structure in the brain and the way the different species deal with reality. The species could not be more different even though it is anatomically subtle.  There were many "races" of homo sapiens.  

Yup.

This "races" trope makes the whole idea of a "ancient superior ancient language speakers" versus "devolved regular people" a very racist concept.

And makes the "ancient language speakers" into "aliens."

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[+joc]

27 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Yup.

This "races" trope makes the whole idea of a "ancient superior ancient language speakers" versus "devolved regular people" a very racist concept.

And makes the "ancient language speakers" into "aliens."

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I am of the thought that everything that we are could actually be because of Aliens.  There just seems to be a lot of things that only add up that way.  I know, I know....lol

[cormac mac airt]

4 minutes ago, joc said:

I am of the thought that everything that we are could actually be because of Aliens.  There just seems to be a lot of things that only add up that way.  I know, I know....lol

In that case human stupidity is the fault of aliens as well. 
 

cormac

[cladking]

2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

By definition the GENES responsible for switching on or off the development of an anatomical/biological area of a body PREEXISTS the development of same. Your understanding of human biology is embarrassing. Try another lie. 

Now that you googled "brocas area" try "undifferentiated brain tissue".  

[cladking]

1 hour ago, Kenemet said:

It means you're using a conglomerated Book of the Dead, and THIS section is grabbing some material from the Coffin Texts.

It doesn't appear in any of the actual pyramid texts.

Masperro, Seth, Mercer, and Faulkner each disagree with you.

Maybe Allen left it out because it caused some kind of cognitive dissonance.  

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, cladking said:

Now that you googled "brocas area" try "undifferentiated brain tissue".  

I didn’t have to Google anything. My reading interests are extensive as are my files. It is YOU who doesn’t understand what undifferentiated brain tissue actually means. But then that’s not really a surprise. 
 

cormac

[cladking]

1 hour ago, Wepwawet said:

Well I'll jump back into the loony bin for this. You have been shown conclusively and repeatedly that the formula "Osiris N" does not exist in the PT, it is a device used by translators to indicate that a specific text has come from the pyramid of Queen Neath, and that as the texts in question are for a king, not his queen, her name is omitted in the texts. I asked you dozens of times to show "Osiris N" in the PT in hieroglyphs, and you failed to do so, engaging in the most pathetic mental gymnastics to skirt around your blatant lying and shocking lack of knowledge.

I'll post the image again, show this formula in any text from any pyramid, or any hieroglyphic texts from anywhere and at anytime in their history. When you realise that you cannot, and you know this already of course, then retract every single nonsense statement you have made about non existant hieroglyphic "Osiris N".

I though we got past this in @Scott Creighton's thread.

 

[cormac mac airt]

16 minutes ago, cladking said:

Now that you googled "brocas area" try "undifferentiated brain tissue".  

Because you’re incapable of getting it right, an UNdifferentiated cell or tissue is one that has not yet acquired a set structure or function. That determination comes from the genome, more specifically the individual genes, responsible for setting those structures or functions. 
 

cormac

[cladking]

22 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Because you’re incapable of getting it right, an UNdifferentiated cell or tissue is one that has not yet acquired a set structure or function. That determination comes from the genome, more specifically the individual genes, responsible for setting those structures or functions. 

I don't know how to explain this any more simply than I already have.   The wernickes area is the human speech center and it is in a structure in which all people have their speech center.  It is a place made and designed specifically for a speech center.  No doubt if this area of the brain were destroyed or damaged a new speech center might appear elsewhere much like blind people will usually use their visual cortex for learning braille.  The brain is very plastic.

But a second speech center arose at the tower of babel.  This speech center isn't even in the same place from one individual to the next.  Rather each individual creates a unique a unique spot to model his learning of modern languages. This new speech center then operates the brain.  This makes us very different than the great pyramid builders making things like "osirisn" very difficult to understand.  We MUST parse everything we read or hear.  We have NO choice.  It's what the brocas area expects of modern language and we can't recognize Ancient Language as being something different because (did I mention) we MUST parse it.  So even though the writing is so nonsensical we actually believe it is incantation WE STILL MUST PARSE IT.  It's a vicious circle; we parse a language that can't be parsed making it incomprehensible so we parse it even harder.  It's what we do and the brocas area is why we do it.  It's the brocas area that creates Zipf's Law.  Ancient Language broke Zipf's Law because (did I mention) homo sapiens had no brocas area.  

Every baby still has to grow a brocas area.   And then we he grows up and reads the PT he parses it.  The Pyramid Texts is not nonsensical gobbledty gook and magic as every translator  has shown.  It is a collection of rituals that were read at ceremonies most of which were read to crowds at the beginning of pyramid building season when atum stood in the Land of Rainbows and built the dead kings a new body that they might live forever on earth and be assigned a star to live at night as well.  This is very simple.  It's what the PT says over and over in a language that tends to retain much of its meaning when taken literally.  Science not magic.  Ritual not incantation.  

Edited November 2, 2023 by cladking

[cormac mac airt]

Just now, cladking said:

I don't know how to explain this any more simply than I already have.   The wernickes area is the human speech center and it is in a structure in which all people have their speech center.  It is a place made and designed specifically for a speech center.  No doubt if this area of the brain were destroyed or damaged a new speech center might appear elsewhere much like blind people will usually use their visual cortex for learning braille.  The brain is very plastic.

But a second speech center arose at the tower of babel.  This speech center isn't even in the same place from one individual to the next.  Rather each individual creates a unique a unique spot to model his learning of modern languages. This new speech center then operates the brain.  This makes us very different than the great pyramid builders making things like "osirisn" very difficult to understand.  We MUST parse everything we read or hear.  We have NO choice.  It's what the brocas area expects of modern language and we can't recognize Ancient Language as being something different because (did I mention) we MUST parse it.  So even though the writing is so nonsensical we actually believe it is incantation WE STILL MUST PARSE IT.  It's a vicious circle; we parse a language that can't be parsed making it incomprehensible so we parse it even harder.  It's what we do and the brocas area is why we do it.  

Every baby still has to grow a brocas area.   And then we he grows up and reads the PT he parses it.  The Pyramid Texts is not nonsensical gobbledty gook and magic as every translated as shown.  It is a collection of rituals that were read at ceremonies most of which were read to crowds at the beginning of pyramid building season when atum stood in the Land of Rainbows and built the dead kings a new body that they might live forever on earth and be assigned a star to live at night as well.  This is very simple.  It's what the PT over and over in a language that tends to retain much of its meaning when taken literally.  Science not magic.  Ritual not incantation.  

Don’t try to explain something to me that you’re too incompetent to know anything about, it just sounds like explosive diarrhea. Your understanding of biology and genetics, amongst other things, is so embarrassing that it would take an entire lifetime to get you to a Middle School level. None of what you claim works the way you say it does. 
 

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

Wernicke Area:  allows one TO UNDERSTAND the spoken (and written) word or words

Broca’s Area:  allows one TO SPEAK the spoken word

Needless to say there is no “center” of speech. Without the Wernicke Area all one gets is gibberish. Without Broca’s Area one can only sign. The first is mental the second is physical, they HAVE to work together. 
 

cormac

[cladking]

What's truly remarkable is how everything is known.  Everyone knows exactly what osirisn is except one poster who doesn't believe osirisn even exists.  Everything that was written in the PT is known to be perfectly understandable incantation anyone can understand perfectly with a doctorate in Egyptology.  Anthropologists know exactly what defines the human race, how they came to be, and the nature of human thinking.  Egyptologists never noticed the absence of abstractions and words for "thought" and "belief" but these are trivialities in comparison to what they do know; everything about ancient magic and voodoo.  Everyone knows that the tower of babel is just a made up story in its entirety and that the Bible is wrong about every single thing while no defect can possible exist in theory or paradigm.  It's a nice neat little clockwork universe that obeys the laws of nature as laid down by Peers.  The universe has to be exceedingly tiny to make room for an infinite number of universes crammed full of an infinite number of pyramids built with an infinite number of ramps.  They even know it's impossible for an infrared scan of G1 to show anything at all because as everyone (but me) seems to know that infrared can see only the outside of the pyramid.  I show people are wrong over and over and instead of a thankyou I get insults.  I sure wish someone could show me I'm wrong so I could give up on this. Someday maybe,...  

[Antigonos]

1 minute ago, cladking said:

  I show people are wrong over and over and instead of a thankyou I get insults.  I sure wish someone could show me I'm wrong so I could give up on this

Delusions of grandeur, narcissism,  divorced from and refusal to acknowledge reality…

Seek help.

[cladking]

2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Needless to say there is no “center” of speech. Without the Wernicke Area all one gets is gibberish.

Thank you.

The brain is programmed in modern language.  

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Wernicke Area:  allows one TO UNDERSTAND the spoken (and written) word or words

Broca’s Area:  allows one TO SPEAK the spoken word

Needless to say there is no “center” of speech. Without the Wernicke Area all one gets is gibberish. Without Broca’s Area one can only sign. The first is mental the second is physical, they HAVE to work together. 

I believe the reason they have to work together is the wernickes area is digital.  it can communicate digitally with the brain but language is analog.  The brocas area is required to translate the digital wernickes area to the rest of the brain.  All the higher brain functions are now analog.  Indeed, even a few analog brain cells have recently been found in the higher brain.  It is modern language that created the need for a second speech center.  Homo sapiens did not need and did not have two.  

I don't know.  I don't believe I know everything or much of anything at all.  I believe my theory is the best supported theory of human progress and human history and accounts for just about every single thing in history and in the lab.  That great pyramids were all build with linear funiculars is mundane and boring compared to the reason this could be solved and Egyptologists can't even see it after the fact. 

Why do you think the results of infrared testing have not been released.  they obviously stuck a boroscope into the hot spot on the east side but these images have never been released either.  Why after these tests were performed did Zahi Hawass say he wouldn't release any results in the future unless they agreed with Egyptological doctrine.  Is this why results aren't being released and they've stepped up insulting heretics?  

[cormac mac airt]

6 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Delusions of grandeur, narcissism,  divorced from and refusal to acknowledge reality…

Seek help.

IMO he won’t because he can’t. To do so means he was wrong and he’s so invested in his fabrication that to admit to being wrong would likely wreck him mentally. It’s sad. 
 

cormac

[+joc]

2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

In that case human stupidity is the fault of aliens as well. 
 

cormac

hmmmm...me thinks it bigger than that.  The Bible stories were hand crafted by the tellers, but there seems to be a vein of truth through out.  

In a world, where Joc considers that, maybe...not Ancient Astronauts...but technically 'immortal' Aliens geoengineered modern Homo Sapiens from the Primates.  Complete speculation on my part...

It does seem to me though that the Human Kind is completely different than the rest of the animal kingdom.  Created by the Annunaki through bio-engineering.  

Maybe 'Satan' the adversary...is another Alien race that was developed by the Annunaki and followed them through the wormhole.  It's a thought exercise.

 

[cormac mac airt]

25 minutes ago, cladking said:

The brain is programmed in modern language.  

I believe the reason they have to work together is the wernickes area is digital.  it can communicate digitally with the brain but language is analog.  The brocas area is required to translate the digital wernickes area to the rest of the brain.  All the higher brain functions are now analog.  Indeed, even a few analog brain cells have recently been found in the higher brain.  It is modern language that created the need for a second speech center.  Homo sapiens did not need and did not have two.  

I don't know.  I don't believe I know everything or much of anything at all.  I believe my theory is the best supported theory of human progress and human history and accounts for just about every single thing in history and in the lab.  That great pyramids were all build with linear funiculars is mundane and boring compared to the reason this could be solved and Egyptologists can't even see it after the fact. 

Why do you think the results of infrared testing have not been released.  they obviously stuck a boroscope into the hot spot on the east side but these images have never been released either.  Why after these tests were performed did Zahi Hawass say he wouldn't release any results in the future unless they agreed with Egyptological doctrine.  Is this why results aren't being released and they've stepped up insulting heretics?  

There’s ZERO evidence of that. 
 

There is ZERO evidence of that as well. 
 

Modern language starts with the split of the Indo-European language family which itself is around 8100 years old. That’s at least 4000 years BEFORE your fantasy mutation. 
 

Because there’s nothing significant worth releasing despite the fact you refuse to believe that. 

Because Zahi Hawass, who’s no longer in charge, is a media ***** nothing more. 
 

cormac

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by cormac mac airt
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[Kenemet]

7 hours ago, cladking said:

Masperro, Seth, Mercer, and Faulkner each disagree with you.

Maybe Allen left it out because it caused some kind of cognitive dissonance.  

 

 

Nope.

Your sources are using a compiled and combined format, squishing together all the Pyramid Texts plus Coffin Texts.  Allen has the individual Pyramid Texts; the ones that the pharaohs wanted written.  Each one is unique.

Masperro, etc, are essentially inauthentic in that they present it as a single book rather than the multiple texts presented as individual items plus individual coffin material.   While it helps to present a cohesive picture, it also misses a lot of the nuances.  For that, you need the individual texts.

...which we've all told you time and time again.  There is no place you could actually find a written document that matches completely the (compiled) text of Masperro & company.

[Wepwawet]

8 hours ago, cladking said:

I though we got past this in @Scott Creighton's thread.

 

No, because both of you failed utterly to deal with this question. You have stated multiple times that the phrase "Osiris N" exists in the PT, therefore you should be able to provide an example of the image below. You can use this link to go through Sethe's transcriptions. It shouldn't even take that long as the name Osiris when referring to the king will usually, but not always, appear at the start of a line of text.

This below is not "Osiris N", it is a Latin N placed into a cartouche where there is a lacuna after the name Osiris. Mercer in his translations uses the formula "Osiris N", Faulkner uses "Osiris the king", Allen uses "Osiris king", and in all cases they are referring to the king as an Osiris, not the actual god. The fact that the Latin N has been placed into a cartouche in itself shows that it is the dead king who is being referred to and not the god, but I'll let you try to explain why, or rather, let's see what bizarre mental gymnastics you employ here, but I'll give a hint, check out what Akhenaten, uniquely in their entire history, did to the Aten.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Wepwawet

[Tom1200]

17 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

...which we've all told you time and time again.  There is no place you could actually find a written document that matches completely the (compiled) text of Masperro & company.

You're NOT LISTENING. Broca's Area was discovered in 1861.  Wernicke's Area wasn't discovered until 1874.  Why do you think that's so?  All you ever do is parse which is so passé.  Zipf's Law proves you're wrong.  I'm smarter than you. 

My theories are perfect - they don't need evidence.  Were you there when they built the pyramids?  So how can you claim it did/didn't happen as I have claimed?  SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.

I know what happened 5000 years ago.  The evidence is all around us.  Something happened.  Prove me wrong.  I don't need proof - the evidence is everywhere. 

Why do you think we didn't build pyramids ten thousand years ago?  I'll tell you what you think.  You think ten thousand years ago people didn't want to build pyramids.  But they could because electricity and hydraulics.  They could but they didn't because they all spoke the same language.  So they couldn't.  Tower of Babel.  Do you see now?

Besides I know the pyramids are 20,000 years old.  Prove me wrong. Anunnaki.  There - I said it.  No one else has said that.  I'm smarter than everyone. 

19 minutes ago, Wepwawet said:

 

I've made your picture small because I'm smarter than you.

7 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

Your understanding of biology and genetics, amongst other things, is so embarrassing ... None of what you claim works the way you say it does.

You haven't even conducted a single CAT scan on a single living Ancient Egyptian to see if they are missing a Broca's Area or a Wernicke's Area or a Zipf's Law.  So you have no idea what you're talking about.  I'm saying they didn't have them because they built pyramids.  Why won't you open your eyes and listen?  How many times must I explain this before I get through to you?

6 hours ago, Antigonos said:

Delusions of grandeur, narcissism,  divorced from and refusal to acknowledge reality…

At last!  Someone who truly recognises my genius!

8 hours ago, joc said:

I am of the thought that everything that we are could actually be because of Aliens.

Why do people keep bringing up aliens or Anunnaki?  I never mentioned those.  You did.  That's PROOF but I bet you'll deny it.  See - I've trapped you with Zipf's Law.  Hoist by your own petard.  Again.

9 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

That ship said over a decade ago. No, he's really just an idiot. 

If I'm such an idiot how come I'm the ONLY person smart enough to understand what I'm saying?  Eh?  And I can read Ancient Language although it wasn't written down so I can't show you and anyway parsing so you wouldn't understand.

My theory explains everything with science and biology and history and linguistics and evolution.  That's more big words than your theory so I must be righter.

Tom

p.p. Claddy

[Scott Creighton]

1 hour ago, Wepwawet said:

No, because both of you failed utterly to deal with this question. You have stated multiple times that the phrase "Osiris N" exists in the PT. . .

I stated no such thing. Stop fibbing.

SC

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Additional info.: Wiki on Wernicke's area; and Broca's area.

Broca's 1861 discovery (Fr.) (as explained in the Wiki, click "à télécharger" for 2014 English version of Roland Bauchot's 2009 analysis of this paper; or "Téléchargez le texte de Paul Broca" for the original [Fr.]).

 

Wernicke, C.: Der aphasische Symptomencomplex. Eine psychologische Studie auf anatomischer Basis [The aphasic symptom complex: a psychological study from an anatomical basis]; Breslau, M. Crohn und Weigert, 1874.