Why "osiris" Didn't Exist Before The 5th Dynasty.

[Wepwawet]

1 minute ago, cladking said:

Did you read my post?

The weighing of the heart was done even before the invention of writing.  

 

Yes, and again I have cut a load of pretentious baloney.

If the weigning of the heart existed before writing, then how do you know this, do you channel Ra-Ta, imbibe too much absinthe, smoke too much, read too many fantasy novels by charlatan fringe authors also playing pretend.

[cladking]

3 minutes ago, Wepwawet said:

You have used as an example to "prove your point" a ceremony that did not enter into the records in text form until the Middle Kingdom, and not in illustrated form until the New Kingdom in the "dreaded" Book of the Dead. Therefore, as you have always stated that their texts after the PT are not of any value to understanding the PT, you are a hypocrite for doing exactly that.

You do realize that those authors in the middle kingdom had many original sources as well as many sources derived from these original sources.  I'm simply telling you what the original source means and you are fixated on what the authors of the book of the dead thought it means.  These later people were stinky footed bumpkins just like us with a confused language just like us.  Their beliefs and Egyptological beliefs about the meaning of "osirisn" are simply irrelevant to what the great pyramid builders meant.  Wholly and utterly irrelevant.  

Did I mention the languages aren't compatible because they are formatted differently.  It is impossible to translate.  Even though the stinky footed authors of the book of the dead had original source material they cou;ld not understand it.  Blue prints looked like god in boats and prose looked fantastic and incredible full of magic and religion.  

 

And this is exactly where religion arose; misinterpretation of AL and ancient science.  

[cladking]

1 minute ago, Wepwawet said:

If the weigning of the heart existed before writing, then how do you know this, do you channel Ra-Ta, imbibe too much absinthe, smoke too much, read too many fantasy novels by charlatan fringe authors also playing pretend.

I can model Ancient Language and ancient science because I reverse engineered the pyramids while solving the meanings of the words in the Pyramid Texts IN CONTEXT.  I didn't use the "book of the dead" to understand the PT; I use logic charts and hundreds of thousands of google searches.  

[Wepwawet]

Just now, cladking said:

You do realize that those authors in the middle kingdom had many original sources as well as many sources derived from these original sources. 

 

 

 

You do realize that you are using exactly the same argument that you condemn everybody else for doing, namely in saying that there is a trace stretching back from the Netherworld Books, BoD and CT to the PT, and that the later works can be used to better discern meaning in the PT. Again you are being a hypocrite.

[Wepwawet]

1 minute ago, cladking said:

I can model Ancient Language and ancient science because I reverse engineered the pyramids while solving the meanings of the words in the Pyramid Texts IN CONTEXT.  I didn't use the "book of the dead" to understand the PT; I use logic charts and hundreds of thousands of google searches.  

No, you are playing pretend.

[cladking]

22 minutes ago, Wepwawet said:

You do realize that you are using exactly the same argument that you condemn everybody else for doing, namely in saying that there is a trace stretching back from the Netherworld Books, BoD and CT to the PT, and that the later works can be used to better discern meaning in the PT. Again you are being a hypocrite.

No.

I'm saying what the authors of the book of the dead and you believe is the meaning of "osirisn" and the weighing of the heart ceremony is irrelevant to the weighing of the heart ceremony and the meaning of "osirisn".  

It is Egyptology that keeps cramming dead and dying ideas into the Pyramid Texts.  Look at the words in the PT; they are about living, being alive, love, and living forever.  These words are reinterpreted by later authors and Egyptologists to reflect dying and death.  They are reinterpreted to apply to moribund people who never existed except in the minds of Egyptologists. 

 

[Spiros]

Were the Giza pyramids erected to warn us of the end of the world, maybe through a nuclear holocaust? Did they encode information of the antichrist?

 

https://i.postimg.cc/yYJrC17J/Venus21.png

[cormac mac airt]

7 minutes ago, Spiros said:

Were the Giza pyramids erected to warn us of the end of the world, maybe through a nuclear holocaust? Did they encode information of the antichrist?

 

https://i.postimg.cc/yYJrC17J/Venus21.png

I don’t know how they’d know anything about some nebulous end of the world scenario but there’s no way they would know anything about an antichrist as there was no such concept when the pyramids were built. The timeframe of the GP itself predates the timeframe of the earliest reference of antichrist, First John circa 100 AD, by 2600+ years
 

cormac

[Thanos5150]

1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

I don’t know how they’d know anything about some nebulous end of the world scenario but there’s no way they would know anything about an antichrist as there was no such concept when the pyramids were built.

[Spiros]

1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

I don’t know how they’d know anything about some nebulous end of the world scenario but there’s no way they would know anything about an antichrist as there was no such concept when the pyramids were built. The timeframe of the GP itself predates the timeframe of the earliest reference of antichrist, First John circa 100 AD, by 2600+ years
 

cormac

But there are clues that the pyramids relate to our time. This means that the pyramids might be the result of time travel.

 

Take for example the Orion Correlation Theory. The brightest star of Orion is Rigel. The ancient Egyptians called Rigel, Sah. If one stations himself at Giza let's say at the Menkaure pyramid today, then the apparent altitude of Rigel at upper culmination is 51.869 degrees. Petrie measured the slope of the Great Pyramid and found it 51.867 degrees.

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, Spiros said:

But there are clues that the pyramids relate to our time. This means that the pyramids might be the result of time travel.

 

Take for example the Orion Correlation Theory. The brightest star of Orion is Rigel. The ancient Egyptians called Rigel, Sah. If one stations himself at Giza let's say at the Menkaure pyramid today, then the apparent altitude of Rigel at upper culmination is 51.869 degrees. Petrie measured the slope of the Great Pyramid and found it 51.867 degrees.

You’re grasping at straws. 
 

Not much of a theory considering if you tried to place the layout of Orion’s Belt on the peaks of the Giza Pyramids they WOULD NOT match. I’m not one of those interested in the mental gymnastics one has to use to claim the Gizamid constructions relevance to today. Nostradamus is more entertaining IMO. 
 

cormac

[Kenemet]

On 11/2/2023 at 1:55 PM, cladking said:

In ANY CASE the fact is the theoretical framework for identifying the brocas area doesn't exist.  Even in living people you need to stimulate cells and ascertain the response.  

I taught human anatomy labs at the university.  Thirty years ago, I had up charts that identified Broca's area (which has been known since the mid-1800's.  It's in Grey's Anatomy, that venerable old textbook of anatomy) as well as many other features of the brain.  It's not hard.  And studies of the brain show that this area was present in the brains of hominims, including chimps and macacques: Differences in cytoarchitecture of Broca's region between human, ape and macaque brains - ScienceDirect

No it's not a recent anatomical feature.  It's evolutionarily ancient (not as ancient as other parts of the brain, but we're talking millions of years in age.)

[Wepwawet]

9 hours ago, cladking said:

No.

I'm saying what the authors of the book of the dead and you believe is the meaning of "osirisn" and the weighing of the heart ceremony is irrelevant to the weighing of the heart ceremony and the meaning of "osirisn".  

It is Egyptology that keeps cramming dead and dying ideas into the Pyramid Texts.  Look at the words in the PT; they are about living, being alive, love, and living forever.  These words are reinterpreted by later authors and Egyptologists to reflect dying and death.  They are reinterpreted to apply to moribund people who never existed except in the minds of Egyptologists. 

 

Just more pretending, wriggling and twisting and turning and ducking and diving and looping the loop, and lying about what Egyptologists and others say about AE civilization. Nobody states that they were obsessed with death, only you come up with this nonsense time and again, why, to make yourself feel better in your little bubble of pretend. I challenge you to produce a quote from any Egyptologist, or anybody on this forum who is not playing pretend with you, who states that the AE were obsessed with death. I know for a fact that I have stated multiple times that they were in fact obsessed with life, yet here you are lying about what others say.

You did this yet again, you keep doing it, the pain must be unbearable by now, but you keep doing it, again and again and again and again.

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Wepwawet

[cladking]

7 hours ago, Kenemet said:

I taught human anatomy labs at the university.  Thirty years ago, I had up charts that identified Broca's area (which has been known since the mid-1800's.  It's in Grey's Anatomy, that venerable old textbook of anatomy) as well as many other features of the brain.  It's not hard.  And studies of the brain show that this area was present in the brains of hominims, including chimps and macacques: Differences in cytoarchitecture of Broca's region between human, ape and macaque brains - ScienceDirect

No it's not a recent anatomical feature.  It's evolutionarily ancient (not as ancient as other parts of the brain, but we're talking millions of years in age.)

Thankyou.  Your links shows I was wrong about at least one thing and possibly others.  I'll have more time to research it later;  But this does support my theory;

"Furthermore, the multivariate analyses showed that the cytoarchitecture of the human brain differs considerably from that of the non-human primates, particularly the gibbon and macaque brains."

We really don't know if any of this applies to ancient people. I wager it does not.  Perhaps the brocas area is just the most natural place for the structure needed to the function that modern languages demand.  

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by cladking

[cladking]

5 hours ago, Wepwawet said:

Just more pretending, wriggling and twisting and turning and ducking and diving and looping the loop, and lying about what Egyptologists and others say about AE civilization. Nobody states that they were obsessed with death, only you come up with this nonsense time and again, why, to make yourself feel better in your little bubble of pretend. I challenge you to produce a quote from any Egyptologist, or anybody on this forum who is not playing pretend with you, who states that the AE were obsessed with death. I know for a fact that I have stated multiple times that they were in fact obsessed with life, yet here you are lying about what others say.

My contention  is that there were two distinct people here.  One who wrote the "book of the dead and were the same species as you or I, and another species whom are now extinct who invented agriculture and cities and who built the great pyramids.  You are creating a strawman by simply ignoring my contention.  These species were nearly identical except for the language they spoke.  The older one used a digital metaphysical language and the younger one many analog symbolic languages.  

[Piney]

9 minutes ago, cladking said:

My contention  is that there were two distinct people here.  One who wrote the "book of the dead and were the same species as you or I, and another species whom are now extinct who invented agriculture and cities and who built the great pyramids.  You are creating a strawman by simply ignoring my contention.  These species were nearly identical except for the language they spoke.  The older one used a digital metaphysical language and the younger one many analog symbolic languages.  

So where is the breakdown of their genome?

If another species existed they would be in our genetic record like every other species (Neanderthal, Denisovan, Asian Erectus?, African Erectus?) we bred with. 

"Ghost" hominids (which are the question marked species) show up in African and Asian populations. They would certainly show up in the AE genome.

[Antigonos]

3 minutes ago, cladking said:

My contention  is that there were two distinct people here.  One who wrote the "book of the dead and were the same species as you or I, and another species whom are now extinct who invented agriculture and cities and who built the great pyramids.  

When did you come up with this little gem? Your imaginings get more bizarre the more time goes by.

To put it politely, that is absolute horse****. So now we can add anthropologists to your ever growing list of people who don’t know anything along with Egyptologists, archaeologists, geologists and linguists.

8 minutes ago, cladking said:

You are creating a strawman by simply ignoring my contention.  

It’s not a strawman when one ignores nonsense. You don’t seem to understand the usage of the phrase. 

 

12 minutes ago, cladking said:

These species were nearly identical except for the language they spoke.  The older one used a digital metaphysical language and the younger one many analog symbolic languages.  

You missed your calling. With your imagination you might have made an average contributor to one of the fan magazines of the thirties that specialized in amateur science fiction.

[Antigonos]

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

So where is the breakdown of their genome?

If another species existed they would be in our genetic record like every other species (Neanderthal, Denisovan, Asian Erectus?, African Erectus?) we bred with. 

"Ghost" hominids (which are the question marked species) show up in African and Asian populations. They would certainly show up in the AE genome.

Funny that this came up, I was just reading about ghost taxa and ghost lineages in a great little book on paleontology called Carboniferous Giants and Mass Extinction: The Late Paleozoic Ice Age World.

 

[cormac mac airt]

25 minutes ago, cladking said:

Thankyou.  Your links shows I was wrong about at least one thing and possibly others.  I'll have more time to research it later;  But this does support my theory;

"Furthermore, the multivariate analyses showed that the cytoarchitecture of the human brain differs considerably from that of the non-human primates, particularly the gibbon and macaque brains."

We really don't know if any of this applies to ancient people. I wager it does not.  Perhaps the brocas area is just the most natural place for the structure needed to the function that modern languages demand.  

 

Yes we do: 

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By revisiting a particularly well-preserved fossil endocast from the Turkana basin (Kenya), here we confirm that early Homoin Africa had a primitive organization of the Broca’s area ca. 1.9 million years ago. Additionally, our description of KNM-ER 3732 adds further information about the variation pattern of the inferior frontal gyrus in fossil hominins, with implications for early Homo taxic diversity (i.e. one or two Homo species at Koobi Fora) and the nature of the mechanisms involved in the emergence of derived cerebral traits.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10506792/

cormac

[cladking]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

By revisiting a particularly well-preserved fossil endocast from the Turkana basin (Kenya), here we confirm that early Homoin Africa had a primitive organization of the Broca’s area ca. 1.9 million years ago. Additionally, our description of KNM-ER 3732 adds further information about the variation pattern of the inferior frontal gyrus in fossil hominins, with implications for early Homo taxic diversity (i.e. one or two Homo species at Koobi Fora) and the nature of the mechanisms involved in the emergence of derived cerebral traits.

It's a shame they don't mention if it's like a modern human's brocas area or a gorilla's.  

You are engaging in the common practice of presenting irrelevancies.  This is akin to semantical arguments which are the most common tactic in that they are meaningless.  

The price of "T" in China is so high that they have no word "T"actics.  

[Antigonos]

10 minutes ago, cladking said:

 

The price of "T" in China is so high that they have no word "T"actics.  

Nor for confirming the existence of the  “T” ravertine deposits left behind by your nonexistent magical cold water pyramid building geysers.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Antigonos

[cormac mac airt]

30 minutes ago, cladking said:

It's a shame they don't mention if it's like a modern human's brocas area or a gorilla's.  

You are engaging in the common practice of presenting irrelevancies.  This is akin to semantical arguments which are the most common tactic in that they are meaningless.  

The price of "T" in China is so high that they have no word "T"actics.  

You have been saying that Broca’s Area has not existed throughout human history. This very article puts paid on your lie as it has existed for at least 1.9 MILLION years. The only question is in regards to complexity but that’s already been addressed previously. There is no way to waffle out of your lie at this point. 
 

cormac

Edited November 4, 2023 by cormac mac airt
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[Wepwawet]

37 minutes ago, cladking said:

My contention  is that there were two distinct people here.  One who wrote the "book of the dead and were the same species as you or I, and another species whom are now extinct who invented agriculture and cities and who built the great pyramids.  You are creating a strawman by simply ignoring my contention.  These species were nearly identical except for the language they spoke.  The older one used a digital metaphysical language and the younger one many analog symbolic languages.  

Strawman my derriere, how dare you say that when you make the most bizarre and un-evidenced claims. And again you ignore pertinent questions about some of your core rants, namely that Egyptologists and those of us interested in the AE state that they were obsessed with death, a lie made up by you. Provide quotes to back up your lies or shut up and never make such bizarre accusations again. I'll add to that as well by bringing in your equally bizarre lie that the AE are viewed as "Stinky footed bumpkins". Nobody says this, so try providing a quote. In fact it is only you who ever says these things, so this looks like mental projection from you, and ties in with your nonsense about there having been two species of humans in Egypt, utter bilge.

[Trelane]

16 hours ago, cladking said:

I can model Ancient Language and ancient science because I reverse engineered the pyramids while solving the meanings of the words in the Pyramid Texts IN CONTEXT.  I didn't use the "book of the dead" to understand the PT; I use logic charts and hundreds of thousands of google searches.  

Sure buddy, sure you can.😂

Edited November 4, 2023 by Trelane

[Wepwawet]

10 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Sure buddy, sure you can.😂

And here he goes solving the mysteries of the pyramids, cold fusion, time travel and stopping toast from falling butter side down, easy when you just say it is so.