Why "osiris" Didn't Exist Before The 5th Dynasty.

[cladking]

16 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

* you have to explain how indigenous people like the Patagonians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia#History) got the new language given no demonstrable contact with anyone for a very long time.  And the Chinese.  And the Finns. 

$Everybody spoke the exact same language.  There was little "drift" in language because it was science and science is the same everywhere.  It was a different type of science but it was the same everywhere in the world.  Obviously there would be some differences in pronunciation and words but every dialect was mutually intelligible.  There were very few words so there were few words to recognize in each dialect.  They could easily sit down and talk after a few minutes.  

If any peoples were cut off then they still had to undergo their own tower of babel eventually and this story does exist in virtually every language.  The Sumerian and Biblical versions are similar to the version which would appear in Ancient Language.  

21 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

* when you separate groups in a species by some trait, that's dividing them into "races" or "classes" and brings up the whole racist ball of wax ("we are better than you")

NO!!!

You want to compare apples and oranges.  It was not some "trait" that separates homo sapiens from homo omnisciencis it is a structure in the brain and the way the different species deal with reality. The species could not be more different even though it is anatomically subtle.  There were many "races" of homo sapiens.  

NO!!!  

There were no aliens.  Homo sapiens were created by a subtle mutation that connected the speech center to higher brain functions thereby allowing complex language which is what ACTUALLY gives rise to human progress.  It is not intelligence that created humanity (thank God) it was complex language allowing everybody to stand on the shoulders of the giants who were members of all races.  It was the need to communicate that gave rise to the installation of pidgin languages as the official languages o9f every state without regard to race or planet of origin.  

Egyptology needs to forget about race, aliens, and magic.  We live in a concrete world with one single reality shared by all.  

30 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

*  And you have to explain why you (and only you by gosh) could learn/understand this and no other human can figure it out. 

This is simple;  

I believe not in omniscience or bigotry but that "all people make sense in terms of their premises".  I didn't start reading the Ancient Language expecting to find nonsense.  Well, I kindda did because that's what Egyptology told me but I did expect to be able to deduce their premises.  I quickly found this was impossible because there was one contradiction after another.  But I did notice that there was a literal meaning and this implied many words were misinterpreted.  I used "simultaneous equations" and logic charts to solve word meanings.  I did tens of thousands of searches.  And I reverse engineered the pyramids while doing this.  I have a gift for reverse engineering.  I am proficient at determining intended meaning in even the most esoteric language.  I don't have many strengths and I don't be;lieve in intelligence just as the writers of the PT didn't believe in intelligence or anything else. 

Of course I'm the one who solved it because it had to be done between about 2000 and 2014 when the search engines quit working.  I was there.  I just happened to be there with the right belief at the right time.  A child could have done and then seen Dr Hawass is quite nude.  The kings are naked.  We are confused.  

The reason others can't see it far more complex but notice nobody can see the coming into being of water either even after I rub their noses in it like the Miracle Worker who taught Helen Keller to talk.  

Our very understanding of reality is wrong.  Reality is digital and wet.  It exists outside every belief and every experimental model.  

A better author might not have this problem.  I don't know.  

[cladking]

43 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Glancing at the papers, it seems that a lot of people have gotten the results.  They're not results that prove whatever it is you want to prove, however.

No!!!   The results of century old theory called infrared imaging have never been published.

 

I campaigned for years to get them to use this ancient technology and when they finally did in 2015 they asked Egyptologists to explain it and none could so they never published the results.  

I can tell you EXACTLY what the results are and have been since many years before they even ran the test.  

[cladking]

46 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

They didn't know about the hydraulic cycle and electricity.

Thank you for addressing this.  I'm surprised! 

So what do you believe this means?

1140c. (he is dried) by the wind of the great Isis, together with (which) the great Isis dried (him) like Horus.
...
1146a. N. is the pouring down of rain; he came forth as the coming into being of water;
1146b. for he is the Nḥb-kȝ.w-serpent with the many coils;

Is the word order mere coincidence?  

[cormac mac airt]

6 minutes ago, cladking said:

Homo sapiens were created by a subtle mutation that connected the speech center to higher brain functions thereby allowing complex language which is what ACTUALLY gives rise to human progress. 

Put up or shut up. Either provide verifiable evidence that your claimed mutation occurred or admit you lied.

cormac

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, cladking said:

If any peoples were cut off then they still had to undergo their own tower of babel eventually and this story does exist in virtually every language.  The Sumerian and Biblical versions are similar to the version which would appear in Ancient Language.  

It does? Proto-Algic was spoken about 7,000 years ago around the Columbian Plateau and the Algonquian Peoples have no such legend.

Now what languages do you speak other than a Indo-European one? 

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, cladking said:

No!!!   The results of century old theory called infrared imaging have never been published.

 

I campaigned for years to get them to use this ancient technology and when they finally did in 2015 they asked Egyptologists to explain it and none could so they never published the results.  

I can tell you EXACTLY what the results are and have been since many years before they even ran the test.  

Wow! This is..........inexplicable? Incomprehensible? .......meh....

Shoot me.....

[cladking]

5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Either provide verifiable evidence that your claimed mutation occurred or admit you lied.

Why don't you provide some sort of evidence that there was no mutation connecting the speech center to higher brain functions.  

Do you even realize this must be determined by means of circumstantial evidence because no brain tissue survives.  Do you realize the humans started acting human suddenly?  This IS the circumstantial evidence and you asking for "proof" is merely a smokescreen,. an obfuscation.  

[cormac mac airt]

Just now, cladking said:

Do you even realize this must be determined by means of circumstantial evidence because no brain tissue survives. 

Do you realize the humans started acting human suddenly?

Thanks for verifying for one and all that you have nothing, which means you purposely lied about said mutation. Yours isn’t even circumstantial evidence it is, at best, HYPOTHETICAL. You should learn the difference! 
 

No, we didn’t and saying so doesn’t make it true. So it’s just another lie on your part. 
 

cormac

[Piney]

54 minutes ago, cladking said:

Why don't you provide some sort of evidence that there was no mutation connecting the speech center to higher brain functions.  

He doesn't have to prove a negative. The burden is on you.

54 minutes ago, cladking said:

Do you even realize this must be determined by means of circumstantial evidence because no brain tissue survives. 

It would be written in our genome. 

54 minutes ago, cladking said:

Do you realize the humans started acting human suddenly?  This IS the circumstantial evidence and you asking for "proof" is merely a smokescreen,. an obfuscation.  

Suddenly? H.Erectus and H. Neanderthal and the Denisovans acted "human".

H. Habilis apparently built with wood.

 

 

 

[cladking]

48 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Thanks for verifying for one and all that you have nothing, which means you purposely lied about said mutation. Yours isn’t even circumstantial evidence it is, at best, HYPOTHETICAL. You should learn the difference! 

So you have no evidence there was no mutation.  Imagine that!  

Yes, my explanation for why all the evidence and all experiment exists as it does is that there was a mutation allowing complex language.  I know you believe in trial and error and intelligence but then you can't explain how bees dance or beavers build dams.  I don't believe any complex behavior of any kind can derive from trial and error and I seriously doubt there is a condition known  only in humans that we call "intelligence".  I believe agriculture and pyramids were invented by mean of the theories developed by ancient science.  This explains all known facts and experiment and even tells us what "osirisn" means.  It tells us why they said water evaporates and then comes into being as rain that has taken the form of osirisn.  It explains the subtle and the complex including why the great pyramid builders kept saying over and over that the pyramids were not tombs but were actually osirisn.  "He is the pyramid" is what they literally said ands never did they say the "king is dead inside the pyramid" or even that he was ever inside the pyramid at all.  This comes from the minds of Egyptologists who ignore the literal meaning and parse the words like they are the book of the dead. 

Are you even reading my posts?   

YES!!!   I am proposing a different way to interpret the PT that is in accordance with the physical evidence AND what the builders literally said AND the "laws" of nature.  

[cormac mac airt]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

He doesn't have to prove a negative. The burden is on you.

It would be written in our genome. 

Suddenly? H.Erectus and H. Neanderthal and the Denisovans acted "human".

H. Habilis apparently built with wood.

You shouldn’t use words like “genome” with cladking, that F’s him up in the head every time. 
 

He also doesn’t understand that EVERY member of the genus Homo is human. 
 

cormac

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, cladking said:

So you have no evidence there was no mutation.  Imagine that!  

It would show up in our genome. Where's your proof there was one? 

[cladking]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

It would be written in our genome. 

It is!!!   

Babies are still born homo sapien.  Then we teach them language and they grow a broccas area.  There is very little known but it is known that the second speech center is in undifferentiated brain tissue.  This structure separates us from our past.

Something must separate homo sapiens from earlier species if "science" is correct. I believe it is complex language resulting from a mutation.  

 

NO science exists that shows I am mistaken about anything at all.  My  theory is based on science and logic.  It is based on evidence.  It is irrelevant that people don't believe it or that some scientist believes humans couldn't even vocalize before 70,000 years ago.  There's no evidence, just belief and the belief is illogical.  It is beliefs that cause people to interpret evidence as they do.  

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, cladking said:

So you have no evidence there was no mutation.  Imagine that!  

Yes, my explanation for why all the evidence and all experiment exists as it does is that there was a mutation allowing complex language.  I know you believe in trial and error and intelligence but then you can't explain how bees dance or beavers build dams.  I don't believe any complex behavior of any kind can derive from trial and error and I seriously doubt there is a condition known  only in humans that we call "intelligence".  I believe agriculture and pyramids were invented by mean of the theories developed by ancient science.  This explains all known facts and experiment and even tells us what "osirisn" means.  It tells us why they said water evaporates and then comes into being as rain that has taken the form of osirisn.  It explains the subtle and the complex including why the great pyramid builders kept saying over and over that the pyramids were not tombs but were actually osirisn.  "He is the pyramid" is what they literally said ands never did they say the "king is dead inside the pyramid" or even that he was ever inside the pyramid at all.  This comes from the minds of Egyptologists who ignore the literal meaning and parse the words like they are the book of the dead. 

Are you even reading my posts?   

YES!!!   I am proposing a different way to interpret the PT that is in accordance with the physical evidence AND what the builders literally said AND the "laws" of nature.  

It’s not on me to prove a negative, it can’t be done. It’s on you to prove your claimed mutation exists, something you failed to accomplish. 
 

Nobody gives a damn what you claim, only that you can back it up and you’ve been a failure at that for years. 
 

cormac
 

 

[cormac mac airt]

Just now, cladking said:

It is!!!   

Babies are still born homo sapien.  Then we teach them language and they grow a broccas area.  There is very little known but it is known that the second speech center is in undifferentiated brain tissue.  This structure separates us from our past.

Something must separate homo sapiens from earlier species if "science" is correct. I believe it is complex language resulting from a mutation.  

 

NO science exists that shows I am mistaken about anything at all.  My  theory is based on science and logic.  It is based on evidence.  It is irrelevant that people don't believe it or that some scientist believes humans couldn't even vocalize before 70,000 years ago.  There's no evidence, just belief and the belief is illogical.  It is beliefs that cause people to interpret evidence as they do.  

You really ARE an idiot. Babies grow a Broca’s Area for the same reason they grow a brain. BECAUSE IT’S IN OUR GENOME TO DO SO. And it has been for at least the last 70,000+ years. Science has already shown that to be true. 
 

cormac 

[cladking]

Just now, cormac mac airt said:

It’s not on me to prove a negative, it can’t be done. It’s on you to prove your claimed mutation exists, something you failed to accomplish. 

What part of it is impossible to show either way is tripping you up?  

There is no brain tissue from before about 1800 BC and this will likely always be true.  Perhaps someday it will be possible to show Otzi's brain lacked a broccas area that would strongly support my theory but until someone looks your objection is moot.  If there was a broccas area in more than one sample from before 3200 BC it would be very damning evidence against this specific aspect of my theory.  For now all you or I can say is we don't know.  

[cladking]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Babies grow a Broca’s Area for the same reason they grow a brain.

No.  You are assuming this.  Indeed, all the evidence and logic says you are definitively mistaken.  The wernickes area is structure in the brain but the broccas area grows in undifferentiated tissue.  By definition this region does not exist in the genome.  You are simply wrong.  

[Piney]

1 minute ago, cladking said:

By definition this region does not exist in the genome.  You are simply wrong.  

Good Lord....🤪

[cormac mac airt]

Just now, cladking said:

No.  You are assuming this.  Indeed, all the evidence and logic says you are definitively mistaken.  The wernickes area is structure in the brain but the broccas area grows in undifferentiated tissue.  By definition this region does not exist in the genome.  You are simply wrong.  

By definition the GENES responsible for switching on or off the development of an anatomical/biological area of a body PREEXISTS the development of same. Your understanding of human biology is embarrassing. Try another lie. 
 

cormac

[Antigonos]

5 minutes ago, cladking said:

No.  You are assuming this.  Indeed, all the evidence and logic says you are definitively mistaken.  The wernickes area is structure in the brain but the broccas area grows in undifferentiated tissue.  By definition this region does not exist in the genome.  You are simply wrong.  

Which translations of the PT told you that, Allen or Faulkner?

Edited November 1, 2023 by Antigonos

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

Good Lord....🤪

His is idiocy at its finest, don’t you think? 
 

cormac

[Nosey.Matters]

wow edifying in the evening

 

sheeze the ai has no idea what edifying means, nice.

[Nosey.Matters]

crickets ..... enlightenment

 

 

nstead of saying, “You’re an idiot for thinking that,” a more constructive response would be, “I can see that we have different perspectives on this matter.”

[cormac mac airt]

28 minutes ago, Nosy.Matters said:

crickets ..... enlightenment

 

 

nstead of saying, “You’re an idiot for thinking that,” a more constructive response would be, “I can see that we have different perspectives on this matter.”

No, because it’s not a different perspective it’s an outright lie. There was a genetic sweep concerning two amino acid changes associated with colocated alleles on the seventh chromosome at less than 200,000 years ago pointing to a small but important change related to Broca’s area, language and the brain. 
 

Source:  Broca’s Arrow: Evolution, Prediction, and Language in the Brain
DAVID L. COOPER

cormac

Edited November 1, 2023 by cormac mac airt
Clarification and spelling

[Thanos5150]

5 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Again, this is very racist - the trope of the "poor little brown man" who can't speak a language and only can point and grunt like an animal.  Although most in that time period were illiterate, there is no evidence that they were incompetent or stupid or mentally deficient.

Come on now. Why go there when obviously he is not limiting his stupidity to "poor little brown men" but all humans regardless of race. Talk about tired tropes....