UM-Bot Posted October 28, 2023 #1 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Scientists have found evidence of human activity dating back to the time of the Biblical vessel. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/371745/new-evidence-discovered-at-alleged-resting-place-of-noahs-ark-in-turkey 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alchopwn Posted October 28, 2023 Popular Post #2 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) I think the Durupinar site gets discovered by new idiots every couple of years. It's a natural rock formation. As for finding seaside materials on mountains... It happens all the time. Most mountains have compacted and been pushed up from super-ancient sea beds by the movement of the continental plates over millions of years. Edited October 28, 2023 by Saru Changed 'this site' to 'the Durupinar site' to avoid confusion. 10 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Earl.Of.Trumps Posted October 28, 2023 Popular Post #3 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Alchopwn said: I think the Durupinar site gets discovered by new idiots every couple of years. Agreed. I think this is the 4th time in my life I've seen an "ark discovered" story. Must be good money in publishing tasty stories. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted October 29, 2023 #4 Share Posted October 29, 2023 There is actually a documentary about this one, and they found a lot of wooden logs remains that strengthened the story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alchopwn Posted October 29, 2023 Popular Post #5 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, qxcontinuum said: There is actually a documentary about this one, and they found a lot of wooden logs remains that strengthened the story. Believe it if you want, but the claims about fossilized wood have proven to be false before too. I get the sense that Durupinar has been mis-identified as Noah's Ark for centuries. Face facts. There would be immense global evidence in the geological record of Noah's flood if it ever happened. There is no such evidence. If we suppose that Noah's Flood occurred at the end of the last Ice Age, which is at least plausible, then it might relate to the mass flooding of the Tigris-Euprhates River system and the creation of the Persian Gulf. That was the biggest flooding event in the Middle East, and it would have been before recorded history, but might be recorded in oral history as the Utnapishtim's Flood myth, which is the template for the Noah myth. What we can say with certainty is that the flood waters simply could not rise to the level of Mount Ararat, let alone anywhere near its summit. where the Durupinar site is located. The claim is simply impossible. Durupinar is a boat-shaped natural formation which was likely known and incorporated into the myth very early on by the people of the region. This happens all the time. For example: In Australian Aboriginal myths, the Koories read the tracks of mythological creatures like the Rainbow Serpent or the ancestor spirit of all Kangaroos leaving their tracks and foraging marks on the land. The Norse used to see the faces and limbs of fallen giants and the acts of gods in their landscape and they became part of their myths too. In the pre-scientific world, the mythologizing of the landscape was a very normal practice, and that is what Durupinar is. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 29, 2023 #6 Share Posted October 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Alchopwn said: Believe it if you want, but the claims about fossilized wood have proven to be false before too. I get the sense that Durupinar has been mis-identified as Noah's Ark for centuries. Face facts. There would be immense global evidence in the geological record of Noah's flood if it ever happened. There is no such evidence. If we suppose that Noah's Flood occurred at the end of the last Ice Age, which is at least plausible, then it might relate to the mass flooding of the Tigris-Euprhates River system and the creation of the Persian Gulf. That was the biggest flooding event in the Middle East, and it would have been before recorded history, but might be recorded in oral history as the Utnapishtim's Flood myth, which is the template for the Noah myth. What we can say with certainty is that the flood waters simply could not rise to the level of Mount Ararat, let alone anywhere near its summit. where the Durupinar site is located. The claim is simply impossible. Durupinar is a boat-shaped natural formation which was likely known and incorporated into the myth very early on by the people of the region. This happens all the time. For example: In Australian Aboriginal myths, the Koories read the tracks of mythological creatures like the Rainbow Serpent or the ancestor spirit of all Kangaroos leaving their tracks and foraging marks on the land. The Norse used to see the faces and limbs of fallen giants and the acts of gods in their landscape and they became part of their myths too. In the pre-scientific world, the mythologizing of the landscape was a very normal practice, and that is what Durupinar is. @Doug1066 suggested it was misidentified for a few thousand years. Not too surprising though. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Piney Posted October 29, 2023 Popular Post #7 Share Posted October 29, 2023 7 hours ago, qxcontinuum said: There is actually a documentary about this one, and they found a lot of wooden logs remains that strengthened the story. Nothing strengthens the story. The ancient Jews borrowed it during the Babylonian Captivity and the original ark was made of reeds. 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted October 29, 2023 #8 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I'll believe it only when they find 5,000 year old Platypus dung 😛 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 29, 2023 #9 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Essan said: I'll believe it only when they find 5,000 year old Platypus dung 😛 I made a joke with a Bible literalist about digging up beaver and bison **** under Mt. Ararat. It went over their head. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occupational Hubris Posted October 29, 2023 #10 Share Posted October 29, 2023 lol people still believing this crap 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted October 30, 2023 #11 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 11:17 PM, Alchopwn said: Believe it if you want, but the claims about fossilized wood have proven to be false before too. I get the sense that Durupinar has been mis-identified as Noah's Ark for centuries. Face facts. There would be immense global evidence in the geological record of Noah's flood if it ever happened. There is no such evidence. If we suppose that Noah's Flood occurred at the end of the last Ice Age, which is at least plausible, then it might relate to the mass flooding of the Tigris-Euprhates River system and the creation of the Persian Gulf. That was the biggest flooding event in the Middle East, and it would have been before recorded history, but might be recorded in oral history as the Utnapishtim's Flood myth, which is the template for the Noah myth. What we can say with certainty is that the flood waters simply could not rise to the level of Mount Ararat, let alone anywhere near its summit. where the Durupinar site is located. The claim is simply impossible. Durupinar is a boat-shaped natural formation which was likely known and incorporated into the myth very early on by the people of the region. This happens all the time. For example: In Australian Aboriginal myths, the Koories read the tracks of mythological creatures like the Rainbow Serpent or the ancestor spirit of all Kangaroos leaving their tracks and foraging marks on the land. The Norse used to see the faces and limbs of fallen giants and the acts of gods in their landscape and they became part of their myths too. In the pre-scientific world, the mythologizing of the landscape was a very normal practice, and that is what Durupinar is. The only sub-fossil wood I know of from Mount Ararat was dated to 1600 AD. I suspect Durupinar is the source of the Noah's Arc story. There is evidence of a titanic flood about 2310 BC. It is attested by varve counts from Lake Accessa, the Palermo Stone, the writings of Manetho and Egyptian records of a massive flood during the First Dynasty. Prior to that flood, there were possibly two superfloods between 3600 BC and 2310 BC. There was a trio of super floods at 4250 BC, 4050 BC and 3850 BC. There may have been three superfloods during the Northgrippian. And 5 more during the Younger Dryas. Before that, the record gets pretty sketchy. The Persian Gulf is a geosyncline, millions of years old, containing 30,000 feet of sediment, according to oil well logs. Doug 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted October 26, 2024 #12 Share Posted October 26, 2024 On 10/29/2023 at 7:48 PM, Occupational Hubris said: lol people still believing this crap They have been flood... people in time have made boat.... Maybe one got his family on board and some of his farm animals to safety. Adding wine, 1000 years of family boosting and you got a clever troll making up the story of the biblical ark. I have no problems with that. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 26, 2024 #13 Share Posted October 26, 2024 58 minutes ago, Jon the frog said: They have been flood... people in time have made boat.... Maybe one got his family on board and some of his farm animals to safety. Adding wine, 1000 years of family boosting and you got a clever troll making up the story of the biblical ark. I have no problems with that. The Algonquian "Great Flood" was the Missoula Outbursts and the "Great Tree" was probably the Columbian Plateau. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #14 Share Posted October 26, 2024 56 minutes ago, Piney said: The Algonquian "Great Flood" was the Missoula Outbursts and the "Great Tree" was probably the Columbian Plateau. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_flood Quote : The precise timings of the several catastrophic flooding events are not tightly constrained. The mechanisms of lake filling and ice dam failure would suggest an early or late glacial time, whereas conditions at glacial maxima would seem to preclude such events. The catastrophic flood(s) occurred between 12000 BC and 9000 BC. Most of the water discharge is thought to have occurred during one day, with peak discharges of 107 m3/s (Herget, 2005). The maximum lake volume was 6x1011 m3 (600 km3) with an area of 1.5x109 m2. The ice dam was about 650 m high. ===== Repeated megafloods from glacial Lake Vitim, Siberia, to the Arctic Ocean over the past 60,000 years: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379117308326 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #15 Share Posted October 26, 2024 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 26, 2024 #16 Share Posted October 26, 2024 16 minutes ago, Abramelin said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_flood Quote : The precise timings of the several catastrophic flooding events are not tightly constrained. The mechanisms of lake filling and ice dam failure would suggest an early or late glacial time, whereas conditions at glacial maxima would seem to preclude such events. The catastrophic flood(s) occurred between 12000 BC and 9000 BC. Most of the water discharge is thought to have occurred during one day, with peak discharges of 107 m3/s (Herget, 2005). The maximum lake volume was 6x1011 m3 (600 km3) with an area of 1.5x109 m2. The ice dam was about 650 m high. ===== Repeated megafloods from glacial Lake Vitim, Siberia, to the Arctic Ocean over the past 60,000 years: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379117308326 After we left and just in time for the Yenesian, Altair and Jomon/ Emishi (Proto-Japaneses) Great Flood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djehuty Posted October 26, 2024 #17 Share Posted October 26, 2024 They have no evidence for the ark, just a rock formation. It's unbelievable that people still fall for this fairy tale. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #18 Share Posted October 26, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Piney said: After we left and just in time for the Yenesian, Altair and Jomon/ Emishi (Proto-Japaneses) Great Flood. Interesting idea. You're suggesting these gigantic flash floods in Siberia and Altai urged people to cross over to the Americas? The Jomon very probably fled north to Japan during the flooding of Sundaland. There definately were post-ice-age gigantic floods that caused people to either drown or go on the move. My idea is that one or several of these floods created stories that were much later incorperated in writings of the Sumerians, Mesopotamians, and finally the Hebrew ( who copied it during their stay in Babylon ). === Just imagine what would happen when a 650 meters high ice dam collapses: a giant tsunami would result and flush every living thing on its path of destruction, mammoths, humans, and boulders the size of buildings, down the drain on its path of destruction. Edited October 26, 2024 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #19 Share Posted October 26, 2024 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Djehuty said: They have no evidence for the ark, just a rock formation. It's unbelievable that people still fall for this fairy tale. I think it's a vague memory of what happened many thousands of years ago (see my other posts of today in this thread). The Ark was probably nothing but an idea of how people and animals could have survived these gigantic flash floods. The Great Flood, the Deluge, didn't drown the entire world, but it drowned many ancestral lands. In Siberia, the Altai and areas around the Black Sea. See the first map of the two I posted. Edited October 26, 2024 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #20 Share Posted October 26, 2024 @Doug1066 What's your opinion of what I posted today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 26, 2024 #21 Share Posted October 26, 2024 34 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Interesting idea. You're suggesting these gigantic flash floods in Siberia and Altai urged people to cross over to the Americas? The Jomon very probably fled north to Japan during the flooding of Sundaland. There definately were post-ice-age gigantic floods that caused people to either drown or go on the move. My idea is that one or several of these floods created stories that were much later incorperated in writings of the Sumerians, Mesopotamians, and finally the Hebrew ( who copied it during their stay in Babylon ). === Just imagine what would happen when a 650 meters high ice dam collapses: a giant tsunami would result and flush every living thing on its path of destruction, mammoths, humans, and boulders the size of buildings, down the drain on its path of destruction. No, we left 25,000 years ago. The Jomon never came from the South. They were ANE directly from Siberia. As for visualizing. I stood overlooking the Channeled Scablands and could picture the whole Missoula outwash which knocked my father's people down to 7 survivors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #22 Share Posted October 26, 2024 4 minutes ago, Piney said: No, we left 25,000 years ago. The Jomon never came from the South. They were ANE directly from Siberia. I read something different online. Can't find it right now. Do you have a link to what you said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #23 Share Posted October 26, 2024 8 minutes ago, Abramelin said: I read something different online. Can't find it right now. Do you have a link to what you said. I found a link on Researchgate: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241669117_Out_of_Sunda_Provenance_of_the_Jomon_Japanese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 26, 2024 #24 Share Posted October 26, 2024 38 minutes ago, Abramelin said: I read something different online. Can't find it right now. Do you have a link to what you said. No, but I got a idea on ANE gene flow and where they went. 30 minutes ago, Abramelin said: I found a link on Researchgate: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241669117_Out_of_Sunda_Provenance_of_the_Jomon_Japanese Genetic research killed this theory. The Jomon are ANE. Not ASEA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 26, 2024 #25 Share Posted October 26, 2024 27 minutes ago, Piney said: No, but I got a idea on ANE gene flow and where they went. Genetic research killed this theory. The Jomon are ANE. Not ASEA. ANE are Asian North East, and ASEA are Ancient South East Asians, right? You Americans should be cursed because of your use of all those abbreviations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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