Why so specific? Rome founded on 21st April 753BC?

[The Puzzler]

Just now, Piney said:

Scabbard cap, which Perseus dropped there.

OK, second guesses are worth a look.

[The Puzzler]

23 minutes ago, Piney said:

?????

Macedonians were Greeks. 

https://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/MacedoniansNotGreeks.html

[SHaYap]

Alexander was Macedonian by birth, taught by Aristotle from young to be a greater Greek than his dear old dad was a Macedonian...

 

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[The Puzzler]

4 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Alexander was Macedonian by birth, taught by Aristotle from young to be a greater Greek than his dear old dad was a Macedonian...

 

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“2.  Macedonia became a world power when the Macedonian king Philip II conquered Thrace, greater part of Illyria, and the whole of Greece (except Sparta).”

Kind of Philip to conquer “his” whole country first. 
I know what your saying however.  It’s not really part of the context of the thread though. 
The date of 21st April 753 doesn’t really have anything to do with Alexander, sorry I mentioned it.

[The Puzzler]

15 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

OK, second guesses are worth a look.

So they named it after Perseus dropped his cap there…what was it named before Perseus…or was it only named after Perseus dropped his cap?

[The Puzzler]

Greek mythology just gets dumber and dumber the more I read into this subject.

[Windowpane]

26 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

... Can you link me to the etymology of Remus meaning twin, thanks.

It's in this Wiki (which I linked to previously).

Go down to the table: Indo-European linguistic descendants (in bold) and thematic echoes (in italic) of the creation myth.

See also Puhvel 1975:152-3.

 

[The Puzzler]

We should understand that Homers poems were not touched by everyone….not everyone thought the Greek myths were worthy of such stereotypes…The Laws, Plato.

“Cle. Probably. 
Ath. But there was already existing a form of government which, if I am not mistaken, is generally termed a lordship, and this still remains in many places, both among Hellenes and barbarians, and is the government which is declared by Homer to have prevailed among the Cyclopes: 

They have neither councils nor judgments, but they dwell in hollow caves on the tops of high mountains, and every one gives law to his wife and children, and they do not busy themselves about one another. 

Cle. That seems to be a charming poet of yours; I have read some other verses of his, which are very clever; but I do not know much of him, for foreign poets are very little read among the Cretans. 

Megillus. But they are in Lacedaemon, and he appears to be the prince of them all; the manner of life, however, which he describes is not Spartan, but rather Ionian, and he seems quite to confirm what you are saying, when he traces up the ancient state of mankind by the help of tradition to barbarism. “

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

It's in this Wiki (which I linked to previously).

Go down to the table: Indo-European linguistic descendants (in bold) and thematic echoes (in italic) of the creation myth.

See also Puhvel 1975:152-3.

 

Ok, thanks.

[The Puzzler]

I will sign up for JSTOR…

”,But the statement that Rome was founded under Libra could as well refer to the position of the sun, and indeed Manilius' source for this was probably Tarutius' horoscope in its original form before it had been "adjusted" to fit the Parilia.”

In Libra…oh how amusing.

See, Libra is balance, like a twin, one up, one down, hey Pettytalk.

I doubt Greece took so much stake in astrology as the Romans.

 

The Horoscope of the Foundation of Rome - JSTOR

Edited November 5, 2023 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

Since Aeneus mother was apparently Venus, not Aphrodite…we shouldn’t be so quick to discard Libra/Venus as a tell tale sign of the date…

“The story of the foundation of Rome, as stated before the Empire is this. In the same period Titius Livius was writing, the official birthday of the city was settled for the date of the 21st April 753 b.C.  together with its birth chart. But things are not easy as they should be and it’s necessary  a deeper investigation.

For some coincidence this was the moment  Latins entered in touch with astrology: the dux Julius Caesar, winner in Egypt, came back in Rome with the beautiful and seductive queen Cleopatra and with Sosigenes of Alexandria, who was in charge to reform the old calendar and move to the new, the Julian one .

Julius Caesar believed to be a direct offspring of the goddess Venus, because his family, the gens Julia were told to be born from Julio, Aeneas’ son, who in turn was Venus’ son: Rhea Silvia, Romulus and Remus’ mother was in fact the daughter of Numitor, one of Julio’s direct descendants.
The end of the Republic and the first years of the Empire were characterized for a great interest for the Venusian sign of Libra.”

https://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-foundation-horoscope-of-rome/

[The Puzzler]

16 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

It's in this Wiki (which I linked to previously).

Go down to the table: Indo-European linguistic descendants (in bold) and thematic echoes (in italic) of the creation myth.

See also Puhvel 1975:152-3.

 

Hmmm…

Proto-Indo-European	*Manu ('Man')	*Yemo('Twin')	Primordial Cow	Sky-Father, Storm-God, Divine Twins
Indian	Mánu, Puruṣa	Yama, (Manāvī)	Manu's bull	The Vedic gods
Iranian	Ahriman, Spityura, Manūščihr	Yima, Gayōmart	Primordial Ox (Gōšūrvan)	–
Germanic	Mannus	Ymir, Tuisto	Primordial Cow (Auðhumla)	Óðinn and his brothers
Roman	Rōmulus	*Yemos (Remus)	She-wolf	The senators

[Piney]

52 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Nooo…

Can you link me to the etymology of Remus meaning twin, thanks.

Google Latin would work. I'm not screenshooting my Latin textbook.

[Piney]

47 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

https://www.historyofmacedonia.org/ConciseMacedonia/MacedoniansNotGreeks.html

Slavic nationistic bull****. 

[Piney]

38 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

So they named it after Perseus dropped his cap there…what was it named before Perseus…or was it only named after Perseus dropped his cap?

Myce means "scabbard cap".

[The Puzzler]

 Horoscope of the Foundation of Rome

by AT Grafton · 1986 · Cited by 22 — He then says that Rome was founded under Libra and that the Caesar who has now better founded the city was born under Libra. The Caesar is Tiberius, “

[The Puzzler]

10 minutes ago, Piney said:

Google Latin would work. I'm not screenshooting my Latin textbook.

I’ll swap you my Finnish Basque textbook….Latin was never my strong point language.

Edited November 5, 2023 by The Puzzler

[Antigonos]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

Is that because when Alexander took control, Roman…ism was put behind them…a task of who was most powerful? The Greeks owned the World, Rome was on its way to despotism…is that why they may be scapegoats in the Bible…? The story of Greeks ruling was paramount to our history, many people even today think Alexander was “Greek”, when you tell them he was Macedonian, you will often be replied with a “huh?”…What is true, what is propaganda, I’d ask myself…

Rome was a republic during the three centuries of the Hellenistic era. It didn’t become an empire until after the last Macedonian Greek kingdom, Ptolemaic Egypt, fell.

And you shouldn’t get your historical information from sources rooted in Tito’s post 1991 propaganda. A group of Bulgarian nationalists are trying to steal Greek history.

Ancient Macedonians were Greeks, Greeks live in the region to this very day. 
 

That’s why, you know, Alexander wrote, read and spoke Greek, and why his conquests spread Greek culture throughout the ancient world. And why the Ptolemaic empire was a Greco-Egyptian kingdom.

Are you familiar with the Rosetta stone? It celebrates the rule of Ptolemy V Epiphanes, That is why Greek is one of the three languages present.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Antigonos

[The Puzzler]

Just now, The Puzzler said:

I’ll swap you my Finnish Basque textbook….

 

12 minutes ago, Piney said:

Myce means "scabbard cap".

Or does it really mean “a place to go in Summer”…another place, the other place…

Finnish[edit]

Etymology[edit]

From Proto-Finnic *muka, probably equivalent to muu (“other, else”) +‎ -ka. Akin to Karelian muka, Livvi muga and Vepsmuga.

OK, it’s been years since I found the translation of dead place, or I think it was more place of killing…something like that, It probably can be found what I said thru the search engine, prob in the OLB thread…lol

[The Puzzler]

9 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Rome was a republic during the three centuries of the Hellenistic era. It didn’t become an empire until after the last Macedonian Greek kingdom, Ptolemaic Egypt, fell.

And you shouldn’t get your historical information from sources rooted in Tito’s post 1991 propaganda. A group of Bulgarian nationalists are trying to steal Greek history.

Ancient Macedonians were Greeks, Greeks live in the region to this very day. 
 

That’s why, you know, Alexander wrote, read and spoke Greek, and why his conquests spread Greek culture throughout the ancient world. And why the Ptolemaic empire was a Greco-Egyptian kingdom.

Are you familiar with the Rosetta stone? It celebrates the rule of Ptolemy V Epiphanes, That is why Greek is one of the three languages present.

I’ve touched an actual copy of the Rosetta Stone. Very spiritual.

OK, I’m not here to debate Greek/Macedonian nationalism. But I take your points on board, since you’re waving your Greek flag so proudly.

[Piney]

14 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

I’ll swap you my Finnish Basque textbook….Latin was never my strong point language.

Finnish Basque??? What kind of bull**** is that? They aren't even related.

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

 

Or does it really mean “a place to go in Summer”…another place, the other place…

Finnish[edit]

Etymology[edit]

From Proto-Finnic *muka, probably equivalent to muu (“other, else”) +‎ -ka. Akin to Karelian muka, Livvi muga and Vepsmuga.

OK, it’s been years since I found the translation of dead place, or I think it was more place of killing…something like that, It probably can be found what I said thru the search engine, prob in the OLB thread…lol

Why are you doing LEGO linguistics? Finnish isn't IE.

[The Puzzler]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

Why are you doing LEGO linguistics? Finnish isn't IE.

 

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

Why are you doing LEGO linguistics? Finnish isn't IE.

I know it isn’t….but it doesn’t stop me from thinking it was the language used in Doggerland  U5, or throughout Central Europe even in later times…Vinca Culture for example, even early Rome or Greece, .it’s just the language was lost within the IE takeover. Like Etruscan, Basque or Pelasgian….

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

Finnish Basque??? What kind of bull**** is that? They aren't even related.

Oh god help me. I know. I study Basque and Finnish….so it was a stop gap kinda sentence.

[The Puzzler]

I can name many names and places that make sense in both languages…that have no equal in IE…especially the Trojan War..Achilles…death of the ram…in Basque,…what is Achilles in IE?

Ili itself means city in Basque, like was Illium ever anything but a city…I don’t hear it being called the town of Troy, but by all means give me your IE definition of Ilium…

The name of Iberia itself, ibai is river…

Edited November 5, 2023 by The Puzzler