Why so specific? Rome founded on 21st April 753BC?

[The Puzzler]

The Etruscan statue of the She-wolf with the twins, icon of Rome (V century b.C.)

“The end of the Republic and the first years of the Empire were characterized for a great interest for the Venusian sign of Libra.

A Venusian comet shone  at the death of Caesar in the constellation of Libra  and it was the same Caesar,  introducing the new calendar,  who added Libra to the zodiacal belt – previously in fact this portion was known as Scorpio’s claws. ((Actually the sign of Libra was known to Sumers who called it ZIB-BA AN-NA)).

Manilius, who wrote at the court of Augustus put the Empire under the protection of this sign:

” Italy belongs to the Balance, her rightful sign. Beneath it Rome and her sovereignty of the world were founded’”((Astronomica, IV, 773-775)).

https://heavenastrolabe.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-foundation-horoscope-of-rome/

[The Puzzler]

Here may lie the true answer…same link

This is the background of the people who wrote about the origins of Rome and its chart. Cicero tells us a  story:

“Again: if it matters under what aspect of the sky or combination of the stars every animate being is born, then necessarily the same conditions must affect inanimate beings also: can any statement be more ridiculous than that? Be that as it may, our good friend Lucius Tarutius of Firmum, who was steeped in Chaldaic lore, made a calculation, based on the assumption that our city’s birthday was on the Feast of Pales (at which time tradition says it was founded by Romulus), and from that calculation Tarutius even went so far as to assert that Rome was born when the moon was in the sign of Libra and from that fact unhesitatingly prophesied her destiny” ((De Divinatione, II.47, 98))

so it’s evident that around 45 b.C. while Cicero was writing these words an horoscope – with the Moon in Libra was already known. Another friend of Cicero, Varro, had settled the foundation of Rome in the year 753 b.C., a date which became official during the Empire of Claudius, who was the first to celebrate the feast in 47 A.D, after 800 years from foundation.

Edited November 9, 2023 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

How could I go to bed without playing this one…

 

[+Pettytalk]

17 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

How could I go to bed without playing this one…

 

SHOCKING REVELATION! Another good one, but it's hard to find any bad songs from the past. 

Happy dreams!

[+Pettytalk]

It's all written in the stars.....our souls.

Now, when they should be implanted in bodies by necessity, and
be always gaining or losing some part of their bodily substance, then in the first
place it would be necessary that they should all have in them one and the same
faculty of sensation, arising out of irresistible impressions; in the second place,
they must have love, in which pleasure and pain mingle; also fear and anger,
and the feelings which are akin or opposite to them; if they conquered these
they would live righteously, and if they were conquered by them, unrighteously.
He who lived well during his appointed time was to return and dwell in his
native star, and there he would have a blessed and congenial existence.

 

 

[The Puzzler]

19 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

It's all written in the stars.....our souls.

Now, when they should be implanted in bodies by necessity, and
be always gaining or losing some part of their bodily substance, then in the first
place it would be necessary that they should all have in them one and the same
faculty of sensation, arising out of irresistible impressions; in the second place,
they must have love, in which pleasure and pain mingle; also fear and anger,
and the feelings which are akin or opposite to them; if they conquered these
they would live righteously, and if they were conquered by them, unrighteously.
He who lived well during his appointed time was to return and dwell in his
native star, and there he would have a blessed and congenial existence.

 

 

I was gonna play this  one but decided on Venus because of the Venusian astrology pertaining to my topic…

Glad you added this to the playlist. 7%. Zzzz

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by The Puzzler

[+Pettytalk]

22 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

I was gonna play this  one but decided on Venus because of the Venusian astrology pertaining to my topic…

Glad you added this to the playlist. 7%. Zzzz

 

Libra Horoscope

Nov 10, 2023 - Romantic notions about friends seem to be the energy driving you today. You might see a longtime friend in a new light as a possible romantic partner. A group could seem to be the answer to all your problems. You could suddenly be convinced that you have the most wonderful friends in the world. An outlook like this can be good as long as you don't start thinking everyone's perfect!

Have you seem some of the comments my UM group friends are making about me? Check out my thread on the other world of God and gods, and then tell me if you still place any faith in horoscopes,my dear? Naturally, being of the same sign, we may possibly be the only true revelation to ourselves.... regarding friendship, of course! One can love without being lovers, right? It's called Platonic love! Our love for Atlantis, Plato's Atlantis, and no other.

What do you think of this? It's just one of the draft pages for my project in course, just part of the introduction to my planned novella. I having a friend who will be helping with the editing, because I'm not very eloquent, frankly speaking, and my grammar is atrocious. Since you a are music enthusiast, and also having worked at a CD shop, gaining a wealth of musical knowledge, see if you can spot some of words I have musically borrowed, and have incorporated. And I'm working on the puns too.

Introduction

Are you ready for a journey to the great unknown, where fantasy is fact and fact is fantasy? Imaginative intelligence, as my sailing vessel, will be used to chart unknown waters. And I, as the captain of this vessel, will be steering and setting a course towards truth, by sailing across the Atlantic, and setting sail for our cruise from a sure point of reference, the Pillars of Heracles (the strait of Gibraltar). On this cruise, we expect to encounter sites and wonders never before seen by anyone, and which "lie" within the mind of Plato. Our journey will take us all the way to the center of the mind.

"In the depths of time, where truth intertwines with imagination, a mysterious tale unfolds. It is a story that blurs the boundaries between fact and fiction, weaving together ancient wisdom and contemporary intrigue. As we embark on this journey, prepare to delve into the enigmatic realms of Plato's Atlantis, where hidden secrets lie beneath the surface of reality. Brace yourself for a narrative that will challenge perceptions and ignite the flames of curiosity within your soul."

Come along if you can. The ride is free of charge. But be forewarned, because you may never want to comeback.

In the realm of existence, where threads of reality intertwine with the tapestry of imagination, a remarkable tale begins to unfold. It is an extraordinary account that blurs the boundaries between autobiography and fiction, for within its pages lies a revelation like no other. As I embark on this narrative journey, it becomes essential to disclose the peculiar circumstances that have shaped my life—an intricate web woven over time.

From early childhood, I sensed an inherent connection to ancient wisdom and philosophical musings that seemed far beyond my tender years. But it wasn't until adolescence that whispers from distant memories began to echo within my soul. Dreams would transport me back through centuries, immersing me in vivid scenes of Hellenic landscapes and profound conversations amongst great thinkers.

As I delved deeper into scholarly pursuits during my formative years, Plato's dialogues became both a fascination and obsession—a gateway into realms unexplored by traditional interpretations. Yet amidst fervent studies and tireless research, skepticism entwined itself around me like creeping ivy—doubts casting shadows upon the path ahead.

It was not until later in life when providence intervened with undeniable force—the orchestration of two separate out-of-body experiences—that doubt gave way to revelation. In these ethereal moments suspended outside the confines of physicality, fragments of memory coalesced into undeniable clarity—a truth whispered across millennia: I am but a vessel for the reincarnated essence of Plato himself.

The weightiness of such claims initially burdened my spirit with disbelief; how could one reconcile their identity with such grandeur? And yet, as signs aligned along synchronistic pathways and serendipitous encounters guided each step forward on this extraordinary odyssey towards self-discovery—my doubts slowly dissipated like morning mist before dawn's light.

Thus commenced an arduous pilgrimage—a relentless pursuit spanning decades—in which I endeavored to unravel mysteries hidden beneath layers upon layers within Plato's timeless words. While scholars and philosophers before me had meticulously dissected his dialogues, my unique perspective allowed glimpses into the spaces between lines—a profound understanding that eluded even the most astute minds.

Chapter by chapter, year by year, I unraveled the intricacies of Plato's Atlantis—peeling back veils of illusion to reveal fragments of truth long obscured. Through countless nights immersed in contemplation, flashes of intuition would illuminate hidden depths—the whispers of a soul once entwined with ancient wisdom guiding my every revelation.

And so it is here that our journey begins—an unfolding tale bound within these pages—a testament to a life intertwined with an immortal legacy. With each word penned upon this parchment, let us embark together on an extraordinary quest through time and consciousness—to unearth the secrets of Atlantis as only one who claims the essence of Plato can do.

 

 

[The Puzzler]

38 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Libra Horoscope

Nov 10, 2023 - Romantic notions about friends seem to be the energy driving you today. You might see a longtime friend in a new light as a possible romantic partner. A group could seem to be the answer to all your problems. You could suddenly be convinced that you have the most wonderful friends in the world. An outlook like this can be good as long as you don't start thinking everyone's perfect!

Have you seem some of the comments my UM group friends are making about me? Check out my thread on the other world of God and gods, and then tell me if you still place any faith in horoscopes,my dear? Naturally, being of the same sign, we may possibly be the only true revelation to ourselves.... regarding friendship, of course! One can love without being lovers, right? It's called Platonic love! Our love for Atlantis, Plato's Atlantis, and no other.

What do you think of this? It's just one of the draft pages for my project in course, just part of the introduction to my planned novella. I having a friend who will be helping with the editing, because I'm not very eloquent, frankly speaking, and my grammar is atrocious. Since you a are music enthusiast, and also having worked at a CD shop, gaining a wealth of musical knowledge, see if you can spot some of words I have musically borrowed, and have incorporated. And I'm working on the puns too.

Introduction

Are you ready for a journey to the great unknown, where fantasy is fact and fact is fantasy? Imaginative intelligence, as my sailing vessel, will be used to chart unknown waters. And I, as the captain of this vessel, will be steering and setting a course towards truth, by sailing across the Atlantic, and setting sail for our cruise from a sure point of reference, the Pillars of Heracles (the strait of Gibraltar). On this cruise, we expect to encounter sites and wonders never before seen by anyone, and which "lie" within the mind of Plato. Our journey will take us all the way to the center of the mind.

"In the depths of time, where truth intertwines with imagination, a mysterious tale unfolds. It is a story that blurs the boundaries between fact and fiction, weaving together ancient wisdom and contemporary intrigue. As we embark on this journey, prepare to delve into the enigmatic realms of Plato's Atlantis, where hidden secrets lie beneath the surface of reality. Brace yourself for a narrative that will challenge perceptions and ignite the flames of curiosity within your soul."

Come along if you can. The ride is free of charge. But be forewarned, because you may never want to comeback.

In the realm of existence, where threads of reality intertwine with the tapestry of imagination, a remarkable tale begins to unfold. It is an extraordinary account that blurs the boundaries between autobiography and fiction, for within its pages lies a revelation like no other. As I embark on this narrative journey, it becomes essential to disclose the peculiar circumstances that have shaped my life—an intricate web woven over time.

From early childhood, I sensed an inherent connection to ancient wisdom and philosophical musings that seemed far beyond my tender years. But it wasn't until adolescence that whispers from distant memories began to echo within my soul. Dreams would transport me back through centuries, immersing me in vivid scenes of Hellenic landscapes and profound conversations amongst great thinkers.

As I delved deeper into scholarly pursuits during my formative years, Plato's dialogues became both a fascination and obsession—a gateway into realms unexplored by traditional interpretations. Yet amidst fervent studies and tireless research, skepticism entwined itself around me like creeping ivy—doubts casting shadows upon the path ahead.

It was not until later in life when providence intervened with undeniable force—the orchestration of two separate out-of-body experiences—that doubt gave way to revelation. In these ethereal moments suspended outside the confines of physicality, fragments of memory coalesced into undeniable clarity—a truth whispered across millennia: I am but a vessel for the reincarnated essence of Plato himself.

The weightiness of such claims initially burdened my spirit with disbelief; how could one reconcile their identity with such grandeur? And yet, as signs aligned along synchronistic pathways and serendipitous encounters guided each step forward on this extraordinary odyssey towards self-discovery—my doubts slowly dissipated like morning mist before dawn's light.

Thus commenced an arduous pilgrimage—a relentless pursuit spanning decades—in which I endeavored to unravel mysteries hidden beneath layers upon layers within Plato's timeless words. While scholars and philosophers before me had meticulously dissected his dialogues, my unique perspective allowed glimpses into the spaces between lines—a profound understanding that eluded even the most astute minds.

Chapter by chapter, year by year, I unraveled the intricacies of Plato's Atlantis—peeling back veils of illusion to reveal fragments of truth long obscured. Through countless nights immersed in contemplation, flashes of intuition would illuminate hidden depths—the whispers of a soul once entwined with ancient wisdom guiding my every revelation.

And so it is here that our journey begins—an unfolding tale bound within these pages—a testament to a life intertwined with an immortal legacy. With each word penned upon this parchment, let us embark together on an extraordinary quest through time and consciousness—to unearth the secrets of Atlantis as only one who claims the essence of Plato can do.

 

 

That is awesome! There should be more of us.

Your opening paragraph is so similar to one I wrote, years ago, it was on Lulu but I think it expired…I might be able to drag it from Red Bubble as I created an artwork for the cover…

Called Journey to Atlantis…it was a story about being taken aboard a ship that via the ancient lands of Neith, Athena, explaining her background and making a stop in Libya (insert appropriate foreign, dark lingering of ancient Gods)…etc until we arrived at Atlantis…I never finished it…but your opening paragraph, very different but very the same, was just like hey! Wow.

Keep at it.

Edited November 10, 2023 by The Puzzler

[SHaYap]

On 11/9/2023 at 10:55 PM, The Puzzler said:

Another friend of Cicero, Varro, had settled the foundation of Rome in the year 753 b.C., a date which became official during the Empire of Claudius, who was the first to celebrate the feast in 47 A.D, after 800 years from foundation.

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[Spiros]

April 21, 753 B.C.

 

If on this date we station ourselves at Rome and measure the azimuth - direction of the Sun rising on an ideal flat horizon, taking into account the atmospheric refraction we will see it is equal to the azimuth, the orientation of the Parthenon, which lies on the Acropolis of Athens. 

 

In my genesis web page I show that the orientation of the three causeways at Giza, one for each of the large pyramids corresponds to the rising azimuth of the Sun at a specific year of the 20th century. Then we note that the Khufu pyramid alignment date is April 21. At this year this day coincided with Orthodox Easter Sun-day. 

Edited November 11, 2023 by Spiros

[The Puzzler]

10 hours ago, Spiros said:

April 21, 753 B.C.

 

If on this date we station ourselves at Rome and measure the azimuth - direction of the Sun rising on an ideal flat horizon, taking into account the atmospheric refraction we will see it is equal to the azimuth, the orientation of the Parthenon, which lies on the Acropolis of Athens. 

 

In my genesis web page I show that the orientation of the three causeways at Giza, one for each of the large pyramids corresponds to the rising azimuth of the Sun at a specific year of the 20th century. Then we note that the Khufu pyramid alignment date is April 21. At this year this day coincided with Orthodox Easter Sun-day. 

Sounds intriguing.

Heres something on that track too..

The Ara Pacis was dedicated in 9 BC (Moretti 1947,7). Analysis shows that the axis of the Ara Pacis enclosure‟s northeast opening originally was oriented to the rising Sun (+11.0º decl.) on both April 21st and August 27th. However, the iconography of the Ara Pacis supports an interpretation that only the April 21st sunrise orientation was intended, because each sculptural element of the Tellus frieze (young woman, flowing amphora, pair of fishes, ram, bull, infant twins) uniquely mirrors the astronomy: Venus (Morning Star phase) and the Zodiac constellations Aquarius-Pisces-Aries-TaurusGemini at dawn on the festival of Par ilia (Pales, goddess of shepherds), 21 April 9 BC. This month and day coincide with the founding of Rome on 21 April 1 ab urbe condita (a.u.c) as recorded by Roman historian Marcus Terentius Varro. The dedication year of 9 BC coincides with the 93rd iteration of the eight-year EarthVenus Synodic Period when Venus also appeared as Morning Star on the first Dies Natalis Romae, 21 April 753 BC.”

https://www.maajournal.com/index.php/maa/article/view/799

[Spiros]

7 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

Sounds intriguing.

Heres something on that track too..

The Ara Pacis was dedicated in 9 BC (Moretti 1947,7). Analysis shows that the axis of the Ara Pacis enclosure‟s northeast opening originally was oriented to the rising Sun (+11.0º decl.) on both April 21st and August 27th. However, the iconography of the Ara Pacis supports an interpretation that only the April 21st sunrise orientation was intended, because each sculptural element of the Tellus frieze (young woman, flowing amphora, pair of fishes, ram, bull, infant twins) uniquely mirrors the astronomy: Venus (Morning Star phase) and the Zodiac constellations Aquarius-Pisces-Aries-TaurusGemini at dawn on the festival of Par ilia (Pales, goddess of shepherds), 21 April 9 BC. This month and day coincide with the founding of Rome on 21 April 1 ab urbe condita (a.u.c) as recorded by Roman historian Marcus Terentius Varro. The dedication year of 9 BC coincides with the 93rd iteration of the eight-year EarthVenus Synodic Period when Venus also appeared as Morning Star on the first Dies Natalis Romae, 21 April 753 BC.”

https://www.maajournal.com/index.php/maa/article/view/799

On April 21, 9 BC at Rome the apparent rising altitude of the Sun on a flat horizon was 74.27 degrees

On April 21, 753 BC at Rome the apparent rising altitude of the Sun on a flat horizon was 77.08 degrees

 

Parthenon axis azimuth(George Pantazis 2014) = 77.12 degrees

Parthenon axis azimuth(Efrosyni Boutsikas 2007) = 77.02 degrees

 

 

Khufu Pyramid causeway azimuth(Goyon) = 75° - 76°

Khufu Pyramid causeway azimuth(Lauer) = 76°

approximate Khufu Pyramid causeway azimuth(Lehner MRH 1:5000 1977 map) = 75.22°

 

I used Stellarium 23.2.

 

 

 

[Unusual Tournament]

I just ran a tarot card reading on 21st of April 743BC and the earth shattering following revelation has come to light 

Cards: 2 of wands reversed, king of cups, knight of swords reversed, star reversed, queen of swords, ace of wands

Can anyone now solve this mystery?

[The Puzzler]

5 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I just ran a tarot card reading on 21st of April 743BC and the earth shattering following revelation has come to light 

Cards: 2 of wands reversed, king of cups, knight of swords reversed, star reversed, queen of swords, ace of wands

Can anyone now solve this mystery?

Considering what is important, without being too impulsive, creating instead, strong bonds and challenges, inciting your potential to get there, despite the hardship in retaining your faith in your true goal….

Maybe.

[Kenemet]

19 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I just ran a tarot card reading on 21st of April 743BC and the earth shattering following revelation has come to light 

Cards: 2 of wands reversed, king of cups, knight of swords reversed, star reversed, queen of swords, ace of wands

Can anyone now solve this mystery?

That's not about Rome.  It's about you.  You are focusing inward on your own creativity (2 of wands, king of cups) but you're missing some opportunities to bring your ideas to a wider public (star reversed).  Advice from an older woman (queen of swords) will help you turn these opportunities into something more practical, should you wish to pursue this (ace of wands).  Two of the six cards reversed indicates some personal difficulty getting started at various stages of this.

(from 10 years of doing tarot reading as a pro.)

Edited November 12, 2023 by Kenemet

[The Puzzler]

On 11/13/2023 at 8:37 AM, Kenemet said:

That's not about Rome.  It's about you.  You are focusing inward on your own creativity (2 of wands, king of cups) but you're missing some opportunities to bring your ideas to a wider public (star reversed).  Advice from an older woman (queen of swords) will help you turn these opportunities into something more practical, should you wish to pursue this (ace of wands).  Two of the six cards reversed indicates some personal difficulty getting started at various stages of this.

(from 10 years of doing tarot reading as a pro.)

That’s literally what I said…and you’re right….maybe it is about the one, or how did U.T decide this was a reading for Rome 21April 753BC…was there intent, or were the cards drawn without intent…?

[+Pettytalk]

53 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

That’s literally what I said…and you’re right….maybe it is about the one, or how did U.T decide this was a reading for Rome 21April 753BC…was there intent, or were the cards drawn without intent…?

Just look at you two with all the experience at card reading. And then we wonder and gawk at messianic future reading? 

I wonder what kind of tarot cards they had back then, for the reading of Rome's birth date. But, if the reading of tarot cards sees the past correctly, I'm all for it, because with hind site, you can see the past much better than seeing the future with foresight. 

And even if that fails, there is always a way to get around the truth, past or future.

Pick a card, dear....we are a match indeed, lighting the candle for a light to the world. Forget looking into Rome's birth date certificate, and let's look at the death certificate's cause of death. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. The house of cards?

 

 

[Antigonos]

11 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Just look at you two with all the experience

Pick a card, dear....we are a match indeed, lighting the candle for a light to the world. Forget looking into Rome's birth date certificate, and let's look at the death certificate's cause of death. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. The house of cards?

 

 

I’m sure you didn’t intend for this to be creepy at all.

Next comes the sherry and cheese.

You ole devil you. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Antigonos

[Kenemet]

7 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

That’s literally what I said…and you’re right….maybe it is about the one, or how did U.T decide this was a reading for Rome 21April 753BC…was there intent, or were the cards drawn without intent…?

It was clear from the cards that the message was for a person, not a city.  In general you can't do readings for a place.  Astrology, yes.  Tarot, no.

[The Puzzler]

16 hours ago, Antigonos said:

I’m sure you didn’t intend for this to be creepy at all.

Next comes the sherry and cheese.

You ole devil you. 

I love sherry AND cheese.

[Poncho_Peanatus]

everything is answered here.....

 

[The Puzzler]

11 hours ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

everything is answered here.....

 

Wow, never heard of it, maybe I’ll watch it….those times are so interesting, so Barbarian, so full of Gods, thanks.