Far-right Cabinet Minister Suspended by Netanyahu for Suggesting Israel Could Nuke Gaza

[Raptor Witness]

Far-right Cabinet Minister Suspended by Netanyahu for Suggesting Israel Could Nuke Gaza - Jerusalem Post - NOVEMBER 5, 2023

 

Otzma Yehudit was suspended on Sunday from government meetings after he said dropping an atom bomb on Gaza is an option in an interview to Kol Barama on Sunday morning.

The statement was made in relation to his discussing humanitarian aid to Gaza.

"We wouldn't have given the Nazis humanitarian aid," he said. "There's no such thing as innocents in Gaza."

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This wasn’t a great day on planet earth, because it’s not a large leap from simply suggesting or arguing this, to one day doing it, and if you remember, Vladimir Putin said a similar thing about the war in Ukraine, this year, more than once.

So it’s no longer, “unthinkable.” 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Raptor Witness

[Raptor Witness]

There is hope, according to an experienced hostage negotiator, interviewed below. The real solution, he says, is new government in both Gaza, and Jerusalem. He also mentions a Belfast type idea.

Thank you to the Canadian news organizations; who, along with Australia, have produced some of the best fair minded coverage of this conflict, which I have seen, recently.

 

[Duke Wellington]

4 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Far-right Cabinet Minister Suspended by Netanyahu for Suggesting Israel Could Nuke Gaza - Jerusalem Post - NOVEMBER 5, 2023

 

Otzma Yehudit was suspended on Sunday from government meetings after he said dropping an atom bomb on Gaza is an option in an interview to Kol Barama on Sunday morning.

The statement was made in relation to his discussing humanitarian aid to Gaza.

"We wouldn't have given the Nazis humanitarian aid," he said. "There's no such thing as innocents in Gaza."

________

This wasn’t a great day on planet earth, because it’s not a large leap from simply suggesting or arguing this, to one day doing it, and if you remember, Vladimir Putin said a similar thing about the war in Ukraine, this year, more than once.

So it’s no longer, “unthinkable.” 

I agree with him, Gaza should have been nuked.

And if any of Israelis neighbours declared war over it then nuke them too.

[Raptor Witness]

44 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

I agree with him, Gaza should have been nuked.

And if any of Israelis neighbours declared war over it then nuke them too.

 

This shock strategy would only work if you had submarine based nukes to threaten other nuclear powers, which to my knowledge, Israel doesn’t have.

[acidhead]

5 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

 

This shock strategy would only work if you had submarine based nukes to threaten other nuclear powers, which to my knowledge, Israel doesn’t have.

Israel has submarines: 

The Israeli Navy operates a fleet of five modern German-built Dolphin-class submarines^{[citation needed]} with a further three planned,^{[172][173][174]} and various reports indicate that these submarines are equipped with Popeye Turbo cruise missiles that can deliver nuclear and conventional warheads with extremely high accuracy.^[154][175]

[Duke Wellington]

9 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

This shock strategy would only work if you had submarine based nukes to threaten other nuclear powers, which to my knowledge, Israel doesn’t have.

There are no other nuclear powers in the Middle East.

The thing is no one messes with an absolute monster which is where Israel is going wrong.

[Raptor Witness]

5 minutes ago, acidhead said:

…. various reports indicate that these submarines are equipped with Popeye Turbo cruise missiles that can deliver nuclear and conventional warheads with extremely high accuracy.^[154][175]

• Popeye - “Range: 78 km (48 mi)”

These subs could not be relied upon for tactical nuclear defense, especially since these subs have diesel engines. They would easily be hunted down.

Israel would need nuclear powered submarines to provide a reliable nuclear defense, with intercontinental capability. .

[acidhead]

13 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

There are no other nuclear powers in the Middle East.

The thing is no one messes with an absolute monster which is where Israel is going wrong.

No. I see it the opposite. Israel has proved they are more powerful many times to the surrounding Arab countries. And they have done this without the use of nuclear weapons. 

What you're suggesting here, and in other threads recently, is for Israel to get on with it and nuke their enemies who don't have nuclear weapons. 

All this would accomplish is world condemnation of Israel. They'd be sitting there looking like fools. The world would completely stop trading with them. Israel would be financially ruined as a result.  

Israel's in a lose lose situation. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. The modern day Israel has been a failure of epic proportion. 

A lesson for the world. 

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Electric Scooter said:

I agree with him, Gaza should have been nuked.

And if any of Israelis neighbours declared war over it then nuke them too.

Don't forget Great Britain.  There must be several thousand Muslim terrorists hiding in London and other British cities.    Should they nuke them too?

[acidhead]

7 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

• Popeye - “Range: 78 km (48 mi)”

These subs could not be relied upon for tactical nuclear defense, especially since these subs have diesel engines. They would easily be hunted down.

Israel would need nuclear powered submarines to provide a reliable nuclear defense, with intercontinental capability. .

That might pose a problem. Haha

[Raptor Witness]

16 minutes ago, Electric Scooter said:

There are no other nuclear powers in the Middle East.

The thing is no one messes with an absolute monster which is where Israel is going wrong.

Russia has a nuclear defense relationship with Iran, because of their reactors located there.

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

So it’s no longer, “unthinkable.”

He was some junior minister/member and obviously a flake.  Netanyahu did exactly the right thing.  Israel does not need to saber-rattle with nukes.  Their enemies have no reason to doubt that Israel will use them if they are facing annihilation.  They also know that this is the ONLY circumstance under which Israel would do so.

As an interesting aside:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/379780

There is now an Ohio Class missile boat in the Mediterranean.  While these are nuclear weapons- capable boats, they also can serve as a platform for LOTS of conventional cruise missiles.  That's a direct message to Iran that if they activate their Hizballah dogs, their **** is going to get severely broke down, BUSTED...

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

Russia has a nuclear defense relationship with Iran, because of their reactors located there.

An Den? An What?  Do you really think Russia would risk losing their country over Iran?  I think they'd do as much to harm Israel as they could without actually causing the IDF to decide to break bad on their forces in the region and or in Ukraine.  

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

The modern day Israel has been a failure of epic proportion. 

Yet their "failure" has steadly improved in tech, wealth, independence, every other metric for 75 years.  Compare them to their Arab neighbors whose main accomplishment has been indoctrinating their children with Jew hatred with their mother's milk.  The only thing that has failed regarding Israel is the world's attempt to strangle it to death.  I think the burgeoning wave of rage around the globe is going to crash soon enough and we'll see who's left standing.  The bottom line is that all of this gets back to the basic question of whether or not Jews have a right to live on that land.  Throughout history, that question has been answered for all other groups by their strength of will and armamaments.  Israel will be no different.

The saying has been around awhile and is nearly a cliche but still true -

If the Arabs laid down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace.  If Israel laid down theirs, there would be no Israel.  This act of butchery by Hamas/Iran has done one positive thing... it has exposed what people really believe.

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Don't forget Great Britain.  There must be several thousand Muslim terrorists hiding in London and other British cities.    Should they nuke them too?

Britain invited them in and panders to them for votes just as the US does, in some states.  They pose no threat to Israel other than once their population expands enough to become a serious political power.  By that time, Israel will have long since ended their vulnerability.  This attack by Iran-trained demons has brought everything to the fore.  The war will now be waged and Israel WILL SURVIVE.  I'm guessing that the Leftist demand for "a two state solution" is going to be laughed out of vogue.  Beheading babies tends to be a bit off-putting to sane humans.

[Tatetopa]

21 minutes ago, and-then said:

Britain invited them in and panders to them for votes just as the US does, in some states.  They pose no threat to Israel other than once their population expands enough to become a serious political power.  By that time, Israel will have long since ended their vulnerability.  This attack by Iran-trained demons has brought everything to the fore.  The war will now be waged and Israel WILL SURVIVE.  I'm guessing that the Leftist demand for "a two state solution" is going to be laughed out of vogue.  Beheading babies tends to be a bit off-putting to sane humans.

They raise money, they provide material aid and comfort.  That provides weapons, that provides documents for travel  That kind  of stuff will keep scattered Hamas on life-support, leaders may have already gone to ground  with friendly support groups.     Both sides engage in propaganda, for example magnifying the target they took out.  I remain skeptical that the top leaders are not long gone from Gaza.   Israel tried the purely military option, tanks, troops, and aircraft  with the PLO on the West Bank, and Hezbollah filled the gap in short order. They have to be taken out, and it will require secret service techniques more than tanks or missiles. They have to travel, they have to communicate.  They can't always use landlines as they did in the tunnels.  Apart from Russia, most countries who also gather intelligence would assist that effort with little publicity.

    Yes indeed beheading babies is off-putting to sane humans,  So is blowing them to smithereens with bombs.  One doesn't require the other.

[Star Chaser]

36 minutes ago, and-then said:

Beheading babies tends to be a bit off-putting to sane humans.

Fake news! I guess If you keep repeating lies enough times you'd end up believing it. I mean no one here takes what you say seriously anyway so I guess just carry on running your mouth and we'll all carry on ignoring your utter nonsense. No one believes a word you say. No credibility at all.

 

[acidhead]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

Yet their "failure" has steadly improved in tech, wealth, independence, every other metric for 75 years.  Compare them to their Arab neighbors whose main accomplishment has been indoctrinating their children with Jew hatred with their mother's milk.  The only thing that has failed regarding Israel is the world's attempt to strangle it to death.  I think the burgeoning wave of rage around the globe is going to crash soon enough and we'll see who's left standing.  The bottom line is that all of this gets back to the basic question of whether or not Jews have a right to live on that land.  Throughout history, that question has been answered for all other groups by their strength of will and armamaments.  Israel will be no different.

The saying has been around awhile and is nearly a cliche but still true -

If the Arabs laid down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace.  If Israel laid down theirs, there would be no Israel.  This act of butchery by Hamas/Iran has done one positive thing... it has exposed what people really believe.

I agree with everything you just said here yet I still stand firm in my statement that the recreation of modern day Israel has been an epic failure. 

Put it this way, without the Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel it was doubtful the British were going to end their mandate. You know exactly what I'm referring to here.

That bombing essentially created modern day Israel and to this very day terrorist attacks are what are being used against Israel by its neighbors. 

I can't envision peace ever there.  It's a lost cause. A failure of creating a modern new liberal 'democracy' country smack dab in nomad land.

Edited November 6, 2023 by acidhead

[Raptor Witness]

The IDF is losing public support, due to the endless film footage of children dying in this conflict. It looks like genocide, because that’s what it is. Almost half the population of Gaza are children.

Looking at the stage, and mindset of the participants doing the killing and supplying the arms, Iran should be preparing for war. The reason is obvious. Israel needs to take the focus off Gaza, in order to continue the genocide they feel is necessary to root out Hamas.

Cooler heads are not prevailing, and I imagine this news story is all Iran needs to justify completing their uranium enrichment. So Israel has no choice but to pull the trigger before this happens. They simply have no choice if you believe Netanyahu.

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Raptor Witness

[Buzz_Light_Year]

2 hours ago, Star Chaser said:

Fake news! I guess If you keep repeating lies enough times you'd end up believing it. I mean no one here takes what you say seriously anyway so I guess just carry on running your mouth and we'll all carry on ignoring your utter nonsense. No one believes a word you say. No credibility at all.

 

From the disclaimer on the video.

"Al Jazeera is funded in whole or in part by the Qatari government."

The head of Hamas Ismail Haniyeh,lives in Qatar. 

[Raptor Witness]

What ISIS failed to do, Hamas may have accomplished. A caliphate with Mecca as its capital city.

Instead of an Arab Spring … the Arab Winter.

 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Raptor Witness