Noam Chomsky - Why Does the U.S. Support Israel?

[Raptor Witness]

I’m not a huge fan of everything that Noam Chomsky teaches or preaches or whatever you care to call it. Regardless, I think he’s spot on with respect to what’s going on right now in Gaza and the Mid East, and the dangers of our ignorance, as citizens.

 

Zealotry isn’t faith, and for the first time in my life, I’m seeing this in a new light. 

Zealotry, regardless of any religion is just an excuse, not to self examine our behavior. I admit to being guilty of this ignorance. I don’t feel that my faith is the problem, per se, but rather, blind faith in anyone or anything, without serious self examination. So thank you Mr. Chomsky for the lesson in humility, which gives me hope in the better side of humanity.

I’m not going to become an atheist because of this, but I get what he’s saying.

[+OverSword]

This guy may not be Chomsky's intellectual equal but he makes more sense just by making a few accurate common sense observations and puts to lie that it's Zionism at the heart of the west's support for Israel.  It's shared values. The rest of the middle east should be so lucky as to have governments like Israel's.  The world should be so lucky that the rest of the middle east had government like Israel.

 

[+and-then]

There was a time when shared values was enough but our neoMarxist revolution that's under way here has put that nearly behind us.  The REAL reason we are - so far - standing beside Israel, is that our military, and possibly a few political leaders, understand just how VERY badly this could spin out of control if Israel were simply cut off from all support and left to deal with their enemies.  I speak not only of Iran's proxy demons in Hamas and Hizballah, but of the global penchant for Jew-hate and a willingness to jump at any chance to weaken or abuse Israel.  

Left alone, Israel is powerful enough to devastate every nation around them with conventional power alone but a sustained effort by their Arab neighbors as well as Iran could leave the nation so damaged that they'd consider going nuclear.  Since that would drag the rest of the planet into jeopardy, standing with them as a munitions supplier and with strategic forces in place should the war get out of hand, is something that is in our national interest.  I'd bet that Blinken has delivered more than one harsh demand from Biden about a ceasefire and he has been rebuffed like a backhand slap.

[Cho Jinn]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

There was a time when shared values was enough but our neoMarxist revolution that's under way here has put that nearly behind us.  The REAL reason we are - so far - standing beside Israel, is that our military, and possibly a few political leaders, understand just how VERY badly this could spin out of control if Israel were simply cut off from all support and left to deal with their enemies.  I speak not only of Iran's proxy demons in Hamas and Hizballah, but of the global penchant for Jew-hate and a willingness to jump at any chance to weaken or abuse Israel.  

Left alone, Israel is powerful enough to devastate every nation around them with conventional power alone but a sustained effort by their Arab neighbors as well as Iran could leave the nation so damaged that they'd consider going nuclear.  Since that would drag the rest of the planet into jeopardy, standing with them as a munitions supplier and with strategic forces in place should the war get out of hand, is something that is in our national interest.  I'd bet that Blinken has delivered more than one harsh demand from Biden about a ceasefire and he has been rebuffed like a backhand slap.

They didn't take kindly to the "can you guys, like, use smaller bombs, or something?"

[SHaYap]

34 minutes ago, Cho Jinn said:

They didn't take kindly to the "can you guys, like, use smaller bombs, or something?"

Only the best American taxpayer money can buy... 

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[Raptor Witness]

I’m thinking of the Palestinian and Israeli children, who deserve a better deal than any religion or government is giving them. Now, Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians like insects, growing in a Garden they didn’t plant in 1948.

This Garden was planted by the UN to compensate for the Holocaust, and to say, “we’re sorry.” 

We gave a dream to one ethnic group, in favor of another, and expect the two to resolve the differences that we created. 

Now one ethnic group has acquired nuclear weapons and threatens the entire UN. So now we sit exactly where three predominate religious “mythologies” say a Higher Power is required to correct the situation, preventing a solution, without the arguable myth Maker, intervening.

It’s a paradox that requires either an atheist, or the myth Maker, or both, which is what my faith prescribes.

Here’s another Virgin Mary, giving birth to the truth, as we speak.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Raptor Witness

[+and-then]

53 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

I’m thinking of the Palestinian and Israeli children, who deserve a better deal than any religion or government is giving them. Now, Israel is systematically exterminating the Palestinians like insects, growing in a Garden they didn’t plant in 1948.

You know it IS possible for a person to have compassion for those children but still accept that they, like all other normal human beings, owe their protection to their own children first.  That's the disconnect, IMO, that most people have against Israel, that's assuming they aren't true anti-Semites.  I can't say that any member here is an anti-Semite because that determination is about what's in a person's heart and mind and I don't know anyone here that I could call an anti-Semite.  What I do see a lot of are people who've bought in to the media narrative that blames Israel for "unnecessarily" killing civilians.  They aren't on the battlefield and they don't know what's going on other than the information they get from their own, trusted news sources.

The idea that the Israelis are knowingly "systematically exterminating" the people of Gaza is just another blood libel, IMO.  The IDF was given a mission to remove an enemy that came into Israel and butchered men, women, children - including 40 infants - and the elderly.  IMO, anyone who makes any excuse for what these sick demons did is a person with no moral compass left at all.  They are simply allowing their media sources to answer for them.  The major difference between the actions of Hamas and the IDF is that the IDF is AIMING at Hamas while Hamas was specifically aiming at butchering as many civilians as possible.  They even had documentation/orders proving this was their goal.  We do not yet know how long this war will be or how much it might spread.  That's mostly left up to Iran.

No doubt there is extreme rage in Israeli society today and I'd say they have a perfect right to that.  That wouldn't justify the willing slaughter of civilians and the proof that Israel is NOT a country that would casually target civilians, comes from decades of watching their reaction to being attacked by Hamas, the Hizballah, PIJ, and several others.  They have acquiesced in nearly every case of their reprisals by limiting the scope and duration of their military action.  IMO, they've boxed themselves into a situation where 10/7 became inevitable.  Their enemies understood that the US/EU could be depended upon to rein Israel in after a limited response.  They know that the media will be willing accomplices against Israel.

What we are seeing now is that paradigm being shattered, not by choice of Israel but by Hamas' level of extreme brutality against unarmed civilians.  I believe that if Netanyahu gets his way, the Hizballah will be pre-emptively struck and if Iran steps in, they will use that opportunity to raze as much of Tehran's nuke infrastructure as they can reach.  In a truly just world it would have been Iran taking the entire punishment because the mullah regime is totally guilty of what happened on 10/7.  

As the hysterical rage continues to grow around the world, it's just a matter of time until our government tries to strong arm Israel.  I sincerely hope thst they fail, utterly in forcing Israel to back off an inch before their goals are met.  If that makes me evil in the eyes of some members then so be it.  There isn't  a single Palestinian child whose life is worth more than a child in Israel.  Hamas brought this grief and suffering to Gaza and they have exposed themselves and their goals to all the nations.  IMO, every member of a "pro-Palestinian" protest is actually pro-Hamas.  That fact alone should cause global backlash but it won't.  Israel is watching and creating their own database on who and where these people are.  They are warning Jews still in the diaspora to avoid travel and even to avoid wearing any symbol of their faith, lest they be murdered or kidnapped.

I have no idea how or where this ends but one thing is certain, Israel can never go back to the status quo ante.  

 

[Raptor Witness]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

I have no idea how or where this ends but one thing is certain,

“How,” is if DJT is elected the Man of Lawlessness in the United States, where he is now leading in a majority of swing states.

[Piney]

15 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

I’m not a huge fan of everything that Noam Chomsky teaches or preaches or whatever you care to call it. Regardless, I think he’s spot on with respect to what’s going on right now in Gaza and the Mid East, and the dangers of our ignorance, as citizens.

 

Zealotry isn’t faith, and for the first time in my life, I’m seeing this in a new light. 

Zealotry, regardless of any religion is just an excuse, not to self examine our behavior. I admit to being guilty of this ignorance. I don’t feel that my faith is the problem, per se, but rather, blind faith in anyone or anything, without serious self examination. So thank you Mr. Chomsky for the lesson in humility, which gives me hope in the better side of humanity.

I’m not going to become an atheist because of this, but I get what he’s saying.

"Religion is a distortion, blind faith is unrealistic and prophecy mere superstition"

Tendai Buddhist teaching based on Taoism 

[Raptor Witness]

28 minutes ago, Piney said:

…. prophecy mere superstition"

Well of course our species has no collective intelligence built into our genetic code, beyond your bits of understanding. We’re all just islands floating in a sea of Piney Knows Best.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Raptor Witness

[Piney]

Just now, Raptor Witness said:

Well of course our species has no collective intelligence built into our genetic code, beyond your bits of understanding. We’re all just islands floating in a sea of Piney Knows Best.

 

We most certainly do have a collective intelligence,  whether it's built into our genome or not is up for debate but the future stretches out like a spiderweb with many strands and one sidestep can change it.

Prime Projections, using the Zen term can be made with enough available information but they aren't "visions of what's to be". They are facts pointing towards a event most likely to happen. 

[+OverSword]

9 hours ago, and-then said:

The major difference between the actions of Hamas and the IDF is that the IDF is AIMING at Hamas while Hamas was specifically aiming at butchering as many civilians as possible. 

That butchering of as many civilians as possible aimed at by hamas includes the civilians killed by Israel.  As far as I'm concerned every person killed in Gaza can be laid at the feet of hamas.  They planned it to work this way.  They are hoping to generate enough outrage in the middle east to get the other Islamic countries in the region to fight.  They are willing to sacrifice as many of their own in order to exterminate the Jews. 

[+and-then]

7 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

“How,” is if DJT is elected the Man of Lawlessness in the United States, where he is now leading in a majority of swing states.

You have a REALLY bad case of TDS.  You can relax.  Even if Trump is chosen by the majority of voters in the majority of states, those like you on the Left have no intention of allowing him a moment to actually put his agenda into effect, at least not as law.  He'd be limited to executive orders and we'd see the same kind of "resistance" that went on for 4 years the last time he was in office.  If our system gets broken it won't be because he did it.  It will be because those who hold the real power in DC are showing themselves for what they really ARE.  DC has an eternal class of bureaucrats and lobbyists thatare the ones who truly hold power.  That was proven when Trump managed to be elected without this group givng him their imprimateur.  

If Biden "wins" again he'd have to do so without doing any serious campaigning and I think even his biggest fans would have to admit that the man just is too far gone to actually campaign for the job.  Add to that the huge rallies Trump will be having all over the country and it won't be plausible for Tater to get his absolutely noncredible 80 million votes again.  I think Toothy Newsom and whoever he chooses as a sidekick will be the competition for Trump next year.

Oh, and calling him the "man of lawlessness" would imply that you think he's the anti-Christ.  Really?  A peacemaker that is loved nearly universally?  Trump?

[Raptor Witness]

5 hours ago, Piney said:

Prime Projections, using the Zen term can be made with enough available information but they aren't "visions of what's to be".

My experience is different. As one example, I cursed the Attorney General’s hypocritical speech at Notre Dame, and the Republican Party in October of 2019, and they wilted, as my Master said they would, and in the exact manner, I prescribed.

This isn’t the appropriate thread to discuss this in depth, but Google the following unique, forecast phrase, in quotes:

 "they will hear the rumbling of the earth, but think nothing of it"

This is not “projection,” this is what I call, a command line sequence.

Good luck explaining their swift destruction, which continues.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Raptor Witness

[docyabut2]

Why Does the U.S. Support Israel? because they are the only democracy and our ally in the middle east .

Edited November 7, 2023 by docyabut2

[Piney]

2 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

My experience is different. As one example, I cursed the Attorney General’s hypocritical speech at Notre Dame, and the Republican Party in October of 2019, and they wilted, as my Master said they would, and in the exact manner, I prescribed.

This isn’t the appropriate thread to discuss this in depth, but Google the following unique, forecast phrase, in quotes:

 "they will hear the rumbling of the earth, but think nothing of it"

This is not “projection,” this is what I call, a command line sequence.

Good luck explaining their swift destruction, which continues.

The fall of the MAGAts was a no brainer. 

Watch what happens with Mike Johnson. The fact that he has some really slimely secrets is obvious too. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 11/6/2023 at 3:50 PM, Raptor Witness said:

I’m not a huge fan of everything that Noam Chomsky teaches or preaches or whatever you care to call it. Regardless, I think he’s spot on with respect to what’s going on right now in Gaza and the Mid East, and the dangers of our ignorance, as citizens.

 

Zealotry isn’t faith, and for the first time in my life, I’m seeing this in a new light. 

Zealotry, regardless of any religion is just an excuse, not to self examine our behavior. I admit to being guilty of this ignorance. I don’t feel that my faith is the problem, per se, but rather, blind faith in anyone or anything, without serious self examination. So thank you Mr. Chomsky for the lesson in humility, which gives me hope in the better side of humanity.

I’m not going to become an atheist because of this, but I get what he’s saying.

You don't need religion to commit genocide and wipe out a nation. Humans are perfectly capable of doing that all by themselves... 

[Raptor Witness]

19 hours ago, Piney said:

The fall of the MAGAts was a no brainer.

A Republican Party crash, wasn’t a “no brainer” in October 2019. DJT would likely have won re-election in 2020, if not for a vomitu(sickness,) which came in waves, like a tsunami.

Real faith isn’t just a “projection,” according to the Founder of mine. It can move mountains, as arguably in the example I gave.

We need help getting rid of these nuclear weapons, and it makes sense that we will receive that help.

If it helps you, to use Gene Roddenberry’s, Prime Directive concept as your mental model for this “interference,” with nuclear technology replacing warp drive technology, I don’t have a problem with it. The results will be the same.

The story is simple: Dude tried to help 2,000 years ago, and was murdered for it. Dude had unusual power, but He didn’t use it to force change.

Fast forward to today. Dude saves U.S. with Narcan for nuclear weapons. We either wake up happy to be alive, or we say “no thank you, I like death, destruction, and dying.”

Dude is not just from the stars, this Dude’s family made them … for U.S. to wish upon, not to set the Earth on fire.

The simple lesson of the fig tree wilting, upon being cursed, and the conversation that followed; is, we will get to do things greater than we imagined possible, but not in our present day configuration of government. 

 

[+joc]

13 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

A Republican Party crash, wasn’t a “no brainer” in October 2019. DJT would likely have won re-election in 2020, if not for a vomitu(sickness,) which came in waves, like a tsunami.

Real faith isn’t just a “projection,” according to the Founder of mine. It can move mountains, as arguably in the example I gave.

We need help getting rid of these nuclear weapons, and it makes sense that we will receive that help.

If it helps you, to use Gene Roddenberry’s, Prime Directive concept as your mental model for this “interference,” with nuclear technology replacing warp drive technology, I don’t have a problem with it. The results will be the same.

The story is simple: Dude tried to help 2,000 years ago, and was murdered for it. Dude had unusual power, but He didn’t use it to force change.

Fast forward to today. Dude saves U.S. with Narcan for nuclear weapons. We either wake up happy to be alive, or we say “no thank you, I like death, destruction, and dying.”

Dude is not just from the stars, this Dude’s family made them … for U.S. to wish upon, not to set the Earth on fire.

The simple lesson of the fig tree wilting, upon being cursed, and the conversation that followed; is, we will get to do things greater than we imagined possible, but not in our present day configuration of government. 

 

 Dude died.  News Flash Jefferson:  Dude ain't coming back.  The simple lesson of the fig tree is, If  you don't water the damn fig tree it will die and you will not  have any figgy pudding.  

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

You don't need religion to commit genocide and wipe out a nation. Humans are perfectly capable of doing that all by themselves... 

ohh but religion helps immensely, it tells the perpetrators that they need feel no remorse, no sense of blame or culpability because God tells them to do it and God thinks what they’re doing in Right and Just. 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said:

A Republican Party crash, wasn’t a “no brainer” in October 2019. DJT would likely have won re-election in 2020, if not for a vomitu(sickness,) which came in waves, like a tsunami.

Real faith isn’t just a “projection,” according to the Founder of mine. It can move mountains, as arguably in the example I gave.

We need help getting rid of these nuclear weapons, and it makes sense that we will receive that help.

If it helps you, to use Gene Roddenberry’s, Prime Directive concept as your mental model for this “interference,” with nuclear technology replacing warp drive technology, I don’t have a problem with it. The results will be the same.

The story is simple: Dude tried to help 2,000 years ago, and was murdered for it. Dude had unusual power, but He didn’t use it to force change.

Fast forward to today. Dude saves U.S. with Narcan for nuclear weapons. We either wake up happy to be alive, or we say “no thank you, I like death, destruction, and dying.”

Dude is not just from the stars, this Dude’s family made them … for U.S. to wish upon, not to set the Earth on fire.

The simple lesson of the fig tree wilting, upon being cursed, and the conversation that followed; is, we will get to do things greater than we imagined possible, but not in our present day configuration of government. 

 

Dude never existed....

[+and-then]

Seems some universities and politicians are fighting back - or at least talking smack back, at the over-the-top insanity from the pro-Palestinian crowds:

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/gop-presidential-candidates-anti-israel-hamas-student-protests/?intcid=CNR-02-0623

 

[+and-then]

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

[+and-then]

22 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

You don't need religion to commit genocide and wipe out a nation. Humans are perfectly capable of doing that all by themselves... 

The Palestinians are an amazing people.  In every other instance of genocide around the world, the victim's population is reduced dramatically.  The over achievers of Gaza have managed to nearly TRIPLE their numbers and their chief health problems are the well know duo of obesity and diabetes.

[Raptor Witness]

On 11/8/2023 at 3:35 PM, Piney said:

Dude never existed....

Since you’re a believer in “projection,” as an explanation for some examples of the supernatural, here’s some new science dealing with that very thing.

If the image on the shroud is in fact, multiple images combined into one, as the evidence now points to, then no known process, man-made or natural can explain it.

Even more amazing is the evidence that the source of the radiation is inside and independent of the body. Parts of the body, such as the hands, appear to have moved, when the image was created, whereas the torso remains fixed.

It’s as if the camera taking the photo, was somehow inside the body. The more we study the basic physics presented in the image or “projection,” it’s easily several orders of magnitude of sophistication, beyond any technology we possess, or have even imagined. 

The Dude moved, inside the shroud, when His image burned or was “projected” onto the linen cloth.