What’s your opinion on the current conflict?

[netindtm]

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, netindtm said:

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” or “ohhh…. There’s bloody conflict going on there? it must be a day that ends in a “y””. 

[Essan]

5 hours ago, netindtm said:

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

It proves (as if we ever needed proof) that far too many people are totally and utterly incapable of learning from the past, and that, as a whole, the human race is inherently nasty, tribalistic and very immature.

It also proves that the UN makes an ashtray on a motorbike seem very useful indeed.

[netindtm]

2 minutes ago, Essan said:

It proves (as if we ever needed proof) that far too many people are totally and utterly incapable of learning from the past, and that, as a whole, the human race is inherently nasty, tribalistic and very immature.

It also proves that the UN makes an ashtray on a motorbike seem very useful indeed.

Totally agree with our human inability to learn from the past. Like why do our egos and believes take us down the same road and we expect a different destination?

[+Pettytalk]

6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” or “ohhh…. There’s bloody conflict going on there? it must be a day that ends in a “y””. 

You do realize that that line by Pete was an inspiration he received from above, on high. It's a disguised reference to the Old T boss, The Father and Lord Almighty, and the New T, The Son, the New Boss, because the Father has given everything to M, said Jesus. It's not hidden that Pete was/is a Buba lover, Maher Buba. Pete wrote a lot lyrics with that in mind, his beloved Avatar of our times.....a recent manifestation of God on earth. It's an interesting subject on its own when in comes to a different take on theological ideas, since Meher Baba' teachings unites all the major religions into one. 

Let me wear your coat, or rather your hat. And if I shiver, give me a blanket.

To understand the history in the middle east, or elsewhere, one must understand God, and the influence God has on everyone, and not just on the Jews in Israel today. It also helps to know music, for the humorous side. Because no one knows what is like to be hated, and to be fated in telling only lies.

 

 

[+joc]

3 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

You do realize that that line by Pete was an inspiration he received from above, on high. It's a disguised reference to the Old T boss, The Father and Lord Almighty, and the New T, The Son, the New Boss, because the Father has given everything to M, said Jesus. It's not hidden that Pete was/is a Buba lover, Maher Buba. Pete wrote a lot lyrics with that in mind, his beloved Avatar of our times.....a recent manifestation of God on earth. It's an interesting subject on its own when in comes to a different take on theological ideas, since Meher Baba' teachings unites all the major religions into one. 

Let me wear your coat, or rather your hat. And if I shiver, give me a blanket.

To understand the history in the middle east, or elsewhere, one must understand God, and the influence God has on everyone, and not just on the Jews in Israel today. It also helps to know music, for the humorous side. Because no one knows what is like to be hated, and to be fated in telling only lies.

 

 

You do realize that Pete is a pedophile...right?

[The Puzzler]

43 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

You do realize that that line by Pete was an inspiration he received from above, on high. It's a disguised reference to the Old T boss, The Father and Lord Almighty, and the New T, The Son, the New Boss, because the Father has given everything to M, said Jesus. It's not hidden that Pete was/is a Buba lover, Maher Buba. Pete wrote a lot lyrics with that in mind, his beloved Avatar of our times.....a recent manifestation of God on earth. It's an interesting subject on its own when in comes to a different take on theological ideas, since Meher Baba' teachings unites all the major religions into one. 

Let me wear your coat, or rather your hat. And if I shiver, give me a blanket.

To understand the history in the middle east, or elsewhere, one must understand God, and the influence God has on everyone, and not just on the Jews in Israel today. It also helps to know music, for the humorous side. Because no one knows what is like to be hated, and to be fated in telling only lies.

 

 

I love this song, especially by Limp Bizkit.

[Piney]

8 hours ago, netindtm said:

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

I condemn violence to solve problems period. But as a disgusted former Quaker humanitarian aid worker I don't see it ending anytime soon.

But it's been one group beating up another there for thousands of years proving they can't ****ing grow up.

 

[+joc]

8 hours ago, netindtm said:

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

I am not sure what 'from the history's perspective' means.  I think you probably mean just from the history of the Palestinians and Jews. So, I will go with that.

My opinion is that anyone who dares choose one side or the other, puts themselves in the middle of the conflict.  

I prefer to sit and watch and wonder.  I think when one gets to involved in the war, they lose perspective of the possible reasons why there is a war in the first place.

So, I'm going there...here.   Why did Hamas attack Israel in the manner they did, when they did?  Why the 7th of October?  Why not the 4th of September or the 18th of October?  Why the date of the 7th?  I don't know.  That date may have no significance to anything whatsoever.  So, assuming then that it doesn't, why that date?  The only other reason would have to be that that date was chosen, most likely because it fit into a scenario of opportunity.  But why do it at all, especially when the history of such leaves no question of what Israels response would be?

The obvious answer to that question in my opinion is that it is exactly that response which was hoped for.

My opinion is that Israel was attacked not to 'punish' them, but to draw them into a larger confrontation that would eventuate in their complete demise.

My opinion is Enough about Genocide.  Pick a side...you are choosing Genocide.  One way or the other.  So, my opinion  is that 'genocide' is a 'dividing narrative' thrust into the conversation by the Media.  As were such other key phrases I've heard like 'open air concentration camp'.  

The details of this conflict are being constructed and planned by an Entity other than either Israel or Hamas...and I am not talking about a 'god' Entity, but rather powerful people in powerful positions of government who sit and think up things like this...and they think up things like this because it creates a winning scenario for them.

Think about it.  Choose a side.  You just became a soldier and  your eyes are on the enemy.  While all along, the real enemy isn't even within your range of vision.

Think Russia.  Think Turkey.  Think Iran.  Both deep allies of Russia...who just happens to be in the arena.  Coincidence?  Putin is old KGB...there are no coincidences. 

 

 

[Antigonos]

2 minutes ago, joc said:

I am not sure what 'from the history's perspective' means.  I think you probably mean just from the history of the Palestinians and Jews. So, I will go with that.

My opinion is that anyone who dares choose one side or the other, puts themselves in the middle of the conflict.  

I prefer to sit and watch and wonder.  I think when one gets to involved in the war, they lose perspective of the possible reasons why there is a war in the first place.

So, I'm going there...here.   Why did Hamas attack Israel in the manner they did, when they did?  Why the 7th of October?  Why not the 4th of September or the 18th of October?  Why the date of the 7th?  I don't know.  That date may have no significance to anything whatsoever.  So, assuming then that it doesn't, why that date?  The only other reason would have to be that that date was chosen, most likely because it fit into a scenario of opportunity.  But why do it at all, especially when the history of such leaves no question of what Israels response would be?

The obvious answer to that question in my opinion is that it is exactly that response which was hoped for.

My opinion is that Israel was attacked not to 'punish' them, but to draw them into a larger confrontation that would eventuate in their complete demise.

My opinion is Enough about Genocide.  Pick a side...you are choosing Genocide.  One way or the other.  So, my opinion  is that 'genocide' is a 'dividing narrative' thrust into the conversation by the Media.  As were such other key phrases I've heard like 'open air concentration camp'.  

The details of this conflict are being constructed and planned by an Entity other than either Israel or Hamas...and I am not talking about a 'god' Entity, but rather powerful people in powerful positions of government who sit and think up things like this...and they think up things like this because it creates a winning scenario for them.

Think about it.  Choose a side.  You just became a soldier and  your eyes are on the enemy.  While all along, the real enemy isn't even within your range of vision.

Think Russia.  Think Turkey.  Think Iran.  Both deep allies of Russia...who just happens to be in the arena.  Coincidence?  Putin is old KGB...there are no coincidences. 

 

 

Good insight.

[The Puzzler]

7 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

I really like Elton John’s version too. All three are good IMO.

I think that’s Blue Eyes not Behind Blue Eyes…

Edited November 13 by The Puzzler

[Antigonos]

3 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

I didn’t even know Elton John did a version of it, wow.

Oops. My bad. He didn’t. I had Pinball Wizard on the brain.

Duh.

[papageorge1]

9 hours ago, netindtm said:

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

Lot of history but today the biggest problem is radical Islam with its prophets of hate. 

[The Puzzler]

1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

Lot of history but today the biggest problem is radical Islam with its prophets of hate. 

So true.

[The Puzzler]

People really should stop asking for my opinion, because I usually give it…

The UN is to blame. The Western World lost this fight back in the Crusades, if we go with history, to justify its place in this forum.

 

 

[The Puzzler]

32 minutes ago, joc said:

I am not sure what 'from the history's perspective' means.  I think you probably mean just from the history of the Palestinians and Jews. So, I will go with that.

My opinion is that anyone who dares choose one side or the other, puts themselves in the middle of the conflict.  

I prefer to sit and watch and wonder.  I think when one gets to involved in the war, they lose perspective of the possible reasons why there is a war in the first place.

So, I'm going there...here.   Why did Hamas attack Israel in the manner they did, when they did?  Why the 7th of October?  Why not the 4th of September or the 18th of October?  Why the date of the 7th?  I don't know.  That date may have no significance to anything whatsoever.  So, assuming then that it doesn't, why that date?  The only other reason would have to be that that date was chosen, most likely because it fit into a scenario of opportunity.  But why do it at all, especially when the history of such leaves no question of what Israels response would be?

The obvious answer to that question in my opinion is that it is exactly that response which was hoped for.

My opinion is that Israel was attacked not to 'punish' them, but to draw them into a larger confrontation that would eventuate in their complete demise.

My opinion is Enough about Genocide.  Pick a side...you are choosing Genocide.  One way or the other.  So, my opinion  is that 'genocide' is a 'dividing narrative' thrust into the conversation by the Media.  As were such other key phrases I've heard like 'open air concentration camp'.  

The details of this conflict are being constructed and planned by an Entity other than either Israel or Hamas...and I am not talking about a 'god' Entity, but rather powerful people in powerful positions of government who sit and think up things like this...and they think up things like this because it creates a winning scenario for them.

Think about it.  Choose a side.  You just became a soldier and  your eyes are on the enemy.  While all along, the real enemy isn't even within your range of vision.

Think Russia.  Think Turkey.  Think Iran.  Both deep allies of Russia...who just happens to be in the arena.  Coincidence?  Putin is old KGB...there are no coincidences. 

 

 

And I tell you joc, you’re so right.

In fact, Hamas has admitted they attacked to cause all out war. Sides, who is right, who is wrong. It’s all an atrocity but it’s began now and until Israel punish every single one of them for this violation, they have stated, it won’t end. 

Edited November 13 by The Puzzler

[cormac mac airt]

14 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

And I tell you joc, you’re so right.

In fact, Hamas has admitted they attacked to cause all out war. Sides, who is right, who is wrong. It’s all an atrocity but it’s began now and until Israel punish every single one of them for this violation, they have stated, it won’t end. 

Which is an asinine premise on their part as having Gaza wiped off the map does them no good whatsoever. 
 

cormac

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

I am a train wreck. But I speak the truth and you know it.

Puzz, you said what many think if they were in the position of the IDF, but dare not to say out of political correctness.

"Genocide" is,btw., intentfully killing people because of their etnicity or belief. But that's not what the IDF is doing here. The IDF wants to get rid of Hamas, whatever the costs.

Hamas fighters are rats hiding under and in hospitals and mosques and such. They use innocent civilians as a shield. Innocent civilians will be killed, and thàt is exactly what they want: the world will turn against Israel.

Did anyone notice large demonstrations after Hamas massacred 1400 Israelis? No.

[Abramelin]

10 hours ago, netindtm said:

What’s your opinion on the current conflict in the Middle East from the history’s perspective?

It's simple: the Jews have been persecuted by Christians since the moment Christianity became the dominant religion in the Roman Empire.

Maarten Luther added to the hate against Jews after he found out they did not want to convert to Christianity.

Even Adolf Hitler quoted Luther.

Why were the Jews persecuted by the Christians? Because - lame excuse - "they killed Jesus".

No, the Romans did.

They were really persecuted because they were succesfull as merchants and musicians and scientists and whatnot. The Christians were jealous, and needed an excuse to get rid of them.

"They sacrificed Christian children". That worked, and pogroms followed.

Ok, then we have Hitler and his SS, concentration camps and gas chambers. End of WWII.

The surviving Jews never wanted to experience this again, and wanted their own home country. Where else to go then to Palestine?

Believe me: the Israelis will fight to the death to defend their country. At all costs.

They have nowhere else to go.

[The Puzzler]

28 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

It's simple: the Jews have been persecuted by Christians since the moment Christianity became the dominant religion in the Roman Empire.

Maarten Luther added to the hate against Jews after he found out they did not want to convert to Christianity.

Even Adolf Hitler quoted Luther.

Why were the Jews persecuted by the Christians? Because - lame excuse - "they killed Jesus".

No, the Romans did.

They were really persecuted because they were succesfull as merchants and musicians and scientists and whatnot. The Christians were jealous, and needed an excuse to get rid of them.

"They sacrificed Christian children". That worked, and pogroms followed.

Ok, then we have Hitler and his SS, concentration camps and gas chambers. End of WWII.

The surviving Jews never wanted to experience this again, and wanted their own home country. Where else to go then to Palestine?

Believe me: the Israelis will fight to the death to defend their country. At all costs.

They have nowhere else to go.

Very true, what was the UN thinking when they created the state of Israel? Oh let’s give them a home within the very people that hate them the most…crazy world. So exhausting. 

Edited November 13 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

48 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Puzz, you said what many think if they were in the position of the IDF, but dare not to say out of political correctness.

"Genocide" is,btw., intentfully killing people because of their etnicity or belief. But that's not what the IDF is doing here. The IDF wants to get rid of Hamas, whatever the costs.

Hamas fighters are rats hiding under and in hospitals and mosques and such. They use innocent civilians as a shield. Innocent civilians will be killed, and thàt is exactly what they want: the world will turn against Israel.

Did anyone notice large demonstrations after Hamas massacred 1400 Israelis? No.

Man, I have no words but thumbs up.

[Antigonos]

25 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

It's simple: the Jews have been persecuted by Christians since the moment Christianity became the dominant religion in the Roman Empire.

Maarten Luther added to the hate against Jews after he found out they did not want to convert to Christianity.

Even Adolf Hitler quoted Luther.

Why were the Jews persecuted by the Christians? Because - lame excuse - "they killed Jesus".

No, the Romans did.

They were really persecuted because they were succesfull as merchants and musicians and scientists and whatnot. The Christians were jealous, and needed an excuse to get rid of them.

"They sacrificed Christian children". That worked, and pogroms followed.

Ok, then we have Hitler and his SS, concentration camps and gas chambers. End of WWII.

The surviving Jews never wanted to experience this again, and wanted their own home country. Where else to go then to Palestine?

Believe me: the Israelis will fight to the death to defend their country. At all costs.

They have nowhere else to go.

There were also the pogroms carried out by the Russian imperial government under Tsar Alexander III, the worst massacre of Jewish people until the Holocaust.

[Antigonos]

2 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Very true, what was the UN thinking when they created the state of Israel? Oh let’s give them a home within the very people that hate them the most…crazy world. Zzzz I’m exhausted.

Originally after the war it was proposed to give the entirety of Germany to them. I can’t help but think that would have been the better solution.

[The Puzzler]

6 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

There were also the pogroms carried out by the Russian imperial government under Tsar Alexander III, the worst massacre of Jewish people until the Holocaust.

The persecution of Jews has been a major event in Jewish history, prompting shifting waves of refugees and the formation of diasporacommunities. As early as 605 BCE, Jews who lived in the Neo-Babylonian Empire were persecuted and deported. Antisemitism was also practiced by the governments of many different empires (Roman empire) and the adherents of many different religions (Christianity), and it was also widespread in many different regions of the world (Middle East and Islamic).

Jews were commonly used as scapegoats for tragedies and disasters such as in the Black Death Persecutions, the 1066 Granada Massacre, the Massacre of 1391 in Spain, the many Pogroms in the Russian Empire, and the tenets of Nazism prior to and during World War II, which led to The Holocaust and the murder of six million Jews.

Their persecution is unrivalled in world history.

Edited November 13 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

3 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Originally after the war it was proposed to give the entirety of Germany to them. I can’t help but think that would have been the better solution.

I never heard of that but…well, maybe.