when we become ancient's are time in the universe will be mystical

[cormac mac airt]

12 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Now on to responding to your post. My faith is not based on believing the Bible. My faith is based on believing what is written in the text of the UB because of how it clarifies the Bible.

My interpretation of what the UB says does not mean that just because I or anyone believes in Jesus completely, a person will be able to do the things that he did. It says the reason why is because when Jesus appeared on the scene, it was an extraordinary situation. He was the creator incarnate every bit a human being like all of us are, but in addition with all of his creative powers which ordinary humans will never have. 

The following are some of the things the UB says about things in the Bible that don't make sense. 

The UB doesn’t clarify the Bible any more than a Harry Potter book clarifies the Romano-British history of Viroconium. It’s a badly written, historically and religiously inaccurate book written last century based on the limited information of the times, with a butt load of embellishments. 
 

That runs contrary to the Bible which claims that with the faith of a mustard seed one can literally move mountains. 
 

They don’t make sense because they run contrary to the Bible, which itself has more holes than Swiss Cheese, it’s just that simple. 
 

It rather evident IMO that you’ve just latched onto something that makes convenient excuses for and misinterpretations or misrepresentations of the Bible while not actually knowing anything meaningful about it as you can’t be bothered to research the actual historical or religious aspects of it for yourself. 
 

cormac
 

 

 

[Guyver]

50 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

But I don't expect anyone to look at the UB the way I do. I just can't help wanting to share my beliefs and thoughts about it with everyone, because of how it helped me. Yeah it might be true that I should just keep it to myself but who here keeps their beliefs to themselves? Isn't this a place to discuss what is believed? So let's discuss it.

 

 

I think you did a good job expressing your beliefs.  But, now that you are asking us to discuss the UB, I’m afraid you are in for hard times.  You know how people feel about it around here.  You are going to get chewed up, spit out and run over.  When you ask to discuss the UB, you are asking for trouble.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Guyver

[Crazy Horse]

4 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Having faith in god doesn't require trying to prove if it is real. I can't help but think that if you're trying to prove god to others, you're really trying to prove it to yourself.

For me, faith comes from the lived experience.

It normally starts with a teacher, (of any tradition) who has something useful to say, those ideas kind of percolate, and resonate, and slowly harmonious with ones thoughts and actions, and so those ideas become a lived experience.

If those experiences are helpful, then the faith in them, and the message, can only grow.

And this is why I don't mind taking from other religions and their teachers.

And if I am trying to prove that GOD is real, then its only for myself, I cannot prove anything to anyone anyhow!

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Crazy Horse

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

For me, faith comes from the lived experience.

It normally starts with a teacher, (of any tradition) who has something useful to say, those ideas kind of peculate, and resonate, and slowly harmonious with ones thoughts and actions, and so those ideas become a lived experience.

If those experiences are helpful, then the faith in them, and the message, can only grow.

And this is why I don't mind taking from other religions and their teachers.

And if I am trying to prove that GOD is real, then its only for myself, I cannot prove anything to anyone anyhow!

 

Whatever lies that work for you I guess. 

[Crazy Horse]

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Whatever lies that work for you I guess. 

Well that depends on how one defines a lie!

If somebody shows you a particular meditation, or some beautiful sadhana, and it did exactly what was promised, and then some..

Is that a lie?

[Will Due]

10 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I think you did a good job expressing your beliefs.  But, now that you are asking us to discuss the UB, I’m afraid you are in for hard times.  You know how people feel about it around here.  You are going to get chewed up, spit out and run over.  When you ask to discuss the UB, you are asking for trouble.

 

Thanks but believe it or not, I really don't want to discuss the UB. What I want to discuss are other things like if the Bible is all messed up and there really is a God why wouldn't he send a message to clear things up. 2000 years ago he came in person and did just that. But never wrote anything down for reasons that are pretty obvious to me. So that left it open to the inevitability that what was written down would be far from being accurate. Which leaves us where we're at needing an explanation again.

Anyways, to each their own.

 

 

 

[Guyver]

13 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Thanks but believe it or not, I really don't want to discuss the UB. What I want to discuss are other things like if the Bible is all messed up and there really is a God why wouldn't he send a message to clear things up. 2000 years ago he came in person and did just that. But never wrote anything down for reasons that are pretty obvious to me. So that left it open to the inevitability that what was written down would be far from being accurate. Which leaves us where we're at needing an explanation again.

Anyways, to each their own.

 

 

 

It took him 2000 years to clear up the mess that is the Bible?  Well, I guess God does have plenty of time on his hands…so, no need to be in a rush.

[Crazy Horse]

7 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Thanks but believe it or not, I really don't want to discuss the UB. What I want to discuss are other things like if the Bible is all messed up and there really is a God why wouldn't he send a message to clear things up. 2000 years ago he came in person and did just that. But never wrote anything down for reasons that are pretty obvious to me. So that left it open to the inevitability that what was written down would be far from being accurate. Which leaves us where we're at needing an explanation again.

Anyways, to each their own.

Will, if folk actually turned to GOD and asked, with just the smallest touch of sincerity and faith, like the tiniest amount, then we all get an answer, only, one has to be listening to actually catch the meaning. Listening and feeling.

So many folk absolutely slate religion and spirituality, without giving it a fair go.

So, what if religion has been used through-out history as a terrible thing, (to make war, etc) what's that got to do with any individual today, trying to awaken to the divine within?

Its the present moment we should be living in, right now!

[Will Due]

6 minutes ago, Guyver said:

It took him 2000 years to clear up the mess that is the Bible?  Well, I guess God does have plenty of time on his hands…so, no need to be in a rush.

 

Well, 48 hours isn't that long. 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Will Due

[Guyver]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Will, if folk actually turned to GOD and asked, with just the smallest touch of sincerity and faith, like the tiniest amount, then we all get an answer, only, one has to be listening to actually catch the meaning. Listening and feeling.

So many folk absolutely slate religion and spirituality, without giving it a fair go.

So, what if religion has been used through-out history as a terrible thing, (to make war, etc) what's that got to do with any individual today, trying to awaken to the divine within?

Its the present moment we should be living in, right now!

I gave it a fair go and it didn’t work.  Now I am living in the moment by watching the 9’ers against Philly.

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I gave it a fair go and it didn’t work.  Now I am living in the moment by watching the 9’ers against Philly.

Go 9'ers! 

[Crazy Horse]

1 minute ago, Guyver said:

I gave it a fair go and it didn’t work.  Now I am living in the moment by watching the 9’ers against Philly.

Everybody gets knock-backs from life.

All I know is that if I ask for guidance, I get it.

And if I actually seek, I am shown.

I know what happens when I meditate, and when I stop doing stupid stuff.

And I know that I am essentially no different from anyone else.

[Crazy Horse]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

Go 9'ers! 

Washington Redskins bro..

[Guyver]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Washington Redskins bro..

You sir are a glutton for punishment lol.

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, Guyver said:

You sir are a glutton for punishment lol.

 

I think they should have changed their name to the Washington Eskimos

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

40 minutes ago, Will Due said:

2000 years ago he came in person and did just that.

That’s a misnamed IMO “Christian” take that has absolutely nothing to do with the Jewish God to which Jesus would have worshipped practically from birth. And even at that it took centuries before that claim was ever entertained let alone accepted. 
 

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

27 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Will, if folk actually turned to GOD and asked, with just the smallest touch of sincerity and faith, like the tiniest amount, then we all get an answer, only, one has to be listening to actually catch the meaning. Listening and feeling.

So many folk absolutely slate religion and spirituality, without giving it a fair go.

So, what if religion has been used through-out history as a terrible thing, (to make war, etc) what's that got to do with any individual today, trying to awaken to the divine within?

Its the present moment we should be living in, right now!

Many of us have been there, done that and it’s exactly why we believe the way we do. You really don’t have much of an argument. 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Many of us have been there, done that and it’s exactly why we believe the way we do. You really don’t have much of an argument. 
 

cormac

I got better results from other gods.

[Crazy Horse]

On 12/3/2023 at 11:13 PM, cormac mac airt said:

Many of us have been there, done that and it’s exactly why we believe the way we do. You really don’t have much of an argument. 
 

cormac

I have plenty of argument.

For example, if you had actually been there, then there is no returning to "normal life".

No mere mortal gets to know, feel, and abide with THAT, and then turns their back, again.

Because there is nothing in existence greater than GOD.

The idea is laughable and it is you my friend who doesn't have an argument.

 

[cormac mac airt]

6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

I have plenty of argument.

For example, if you had actually been there, then there is no returning to "normal life".

No mere mortal gets to know, feel, and abide with THAT, and then turns their back, again.

Because there is nothing in existence greater than GOD.

The idea is laughable and it is you my friend who doesn't have an argument.

What a joke! 
 

cormac

[jmccr8]

14 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

I have plenty of argument.

For example, if you had actually been there, then there is no returning to "normal life".

No mere mortal gets to know, feel, and abide with THAT, and then turns their back, again.

Because there is nothing in existence greater than GOD.

The idea is laughable and it is you my friend who doesn't have an argument.

 

Hi Crazy Horse

You don't have an argument actually give sll you say is THAT, GOD and LOVE which are words you throw aroumd like they mean something. An argument is a position that is well thought out and presented sufficiently with supporting evidence none of which you do.

Edited December 5, 2023 by jmccr8

[trevor borocz johnson]

The other day I was standing in line and an old woman was gambling in front of me and I was getting annoyed because she was taking so long. Then I thought of my recent lucky picks 6 and 25. I was going to tell the woman but then held it in at fear of weakening the luck. I think this happens a lot with prophecy or forecasting when you hold it in. Holding it in what you know in science is like top thing.

[+Hammerclaw]