when we become ancient's are time in the universe will be mystical

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

I thought we went over this earlier today? Am I mistaken?

Dementia? 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

Just now, cormac mac airt said:

Dementia? 
 

cormac

Don't know. All I know is that Will agreed that God is an idea and without the idea of a god he wouldn't have one. 

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Don't know. All I know is that Will agreed that God is an idea and without the idea of a god he wouldn't have one. 

It shouldn’t be hard to understand that God as an idea CAN’T be spoken for, only “understood” in the most extremely generalized terms/very broadest of strokes. Especially since there are 8+ billion versions of what God is. 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

11 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

It shouldn’t be hard to understand

From what I can tell, God being an idea, is the greatest sin of all. 

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

From what I can tell, God being an idea, is the greatest sin of all. 

Well, apparently it does have to be somebody’s fault. What’s better than to hold an imaginary deity accountable? 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Don't know. All I know is that Will agreed that God is an idea and without the idea of a god he wouldn't have one. 

 

Just for the record, I agreed that God is an idea. An idea in the minds of people. But he's more than that (as far as I'm concerned). And no one has to believe it or think that it affects their lives. Okay Cormac?

The reason why I say that is because I see a lot more about the idea of what God is when I look at what's been written about Jesus. Wherever it's written.

When I look at Jesus (based on what's written about him) some of it true some of it not true, I get a very distinct snapshot of who he was, what he did, what he taught, and who he is THAT IS TRUE based on what I determine personally which I have the right to do.

And it's through that that I see many things about God that are good that are more than just an idea.

Now tear into me and rip it apart.

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Just for the record, I agreed that God is an idea. An idea in the minds of people. But he's more than that (as far as I'm concerned). And no one has to believe it or think that it affects their lives. Okay Cormac?

The reason why I say that is because I see a lot more about the idea of what God is when I look at what's been written about Jesus. Wherever it's written.

When I look at Jesus (based on what's written about him) some of it true some of it not true, I get a very distinct snapshot of who he was, what he did, what he taught, and who he is THAT IS TRUE based on what I determine personally which I have the right to do.

And it's through that that I see many things about God that are good that are more than just an idea.

Now tear into me and rip it apart.

So YOU get to determine what is true about a man you know nothing about? Beyond him being a 1st century Jew do you not realize that you’ve essentially admitted you’re making it up as you go along? That’s pretty much the definition of a lie. Now if lying to yourself helps you be a better person that’s one thing, but it definitely doesn’t make it relevant to anyone else. 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

18 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Just for the record, I agreed that God is an idea. An idea in the minds of people. But he's more than that (as far as I'm concerned). And no one has to believe it or think that it affects their lives. Okay Cormac?

The reason why I say that is because I see a lot more about the idea of what God is when I look at what's been written about Jesus. Wherever it's written.

When I look at Jesus (based on what's written about him) some of it true some of it not true, I get a very distinct snapshot of who he was, what he did, what he taught, and who he is THAT IS TRUE based on what I determine personally which I have the right to do.

And it's through that that I see many things about God that are good that are more than just an idea.

Now tear into me and rip it apart.

 

 

It's all an idea. An idea based on belief. Not truth or facts.

[+Sherapy]

39 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Just for the record, I agreed that God is an idea. An idea in the minds of people. But he's more than that (as far as I'm concerned). And no one has to believe it or think that it affects their lives. Okay Cormac?

The reason why I say that is because I see a lot more about the idea of what God is when I look at what's been written about Jesus. Wherever it's written.

When I look at Jesus (based on what's written about him) some of it true some of it not true, I get a very distinct snapshot of who he was, what he did, what he taught, and who he is THAT IS TRUE based on what I determine personally which I have the right to do.

And it's through that that I see many things about God that are good that are more than just an idea.

Now tear into me and rip it apart.

 

 

Will, you choose to believe that the UB and the Bible are true “on faith” because we do not know much about Jesus. The gospel’s are narratives, not facts. This is what Cormac is pointing out
 

Knock yourself out believing in the character Jesus if this works for you, but the character isn’t anymore real than Superman or the Avengers but that doesn’t mean you can’t be inspired by myth. 
 

And, please feel free to share how the Jesus character inspires you to be a better person and then work at being your best self. At the end of the day you show your spirituality by the person you become.

 

Put together a thread  and discuss it. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Sherapy

[Will Due]

15 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Will, you choose to believe that the UB and the Bible are true “on faith” because we do not know much about Jesus. The gospel’s are narratives, not facts. This is all Cormac is pointing out. 
 

Knock  yourself out believing in the character Jesus if this works for you, but the character isn’t anymore real than Superman or the Avengers but that doesn’t mean you can’t be inspired by myth. 
 

And, please feel free to share how the Jesus character inspires you to be a better person and then work at being your best self. 

 

Sheri,

I choose to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is exactly who he said he was. A representation of who and what the Father in heaven is. What's written about him, again wherever it's written, is an astonishing revelation that I choose to believe.

I see God the heavenly Father in Jesus. I choose to believe that He is just like Jesus. Kind and merciful. Understanding and accepting of us and what we have to deal with living on this difficult world. I believe that when he asked to follow him, that is the way to go. Follow him in how he lived his life. Which I see as an extremely remarkable way to live one's life. Always seeking God's will in every move that's made. Learning by the mistakes that are made. That's how I become knowledgeable about Jesus and God.

 

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Will Due

[darkmoonlady]

3 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Suggesting to stand on your own two feet, isn't proselytizing, in fact it is the opposite.

Organised religion is really only there to take away your innate power, not to stand of your own, GOD given, two feet.

Not saying that there isn't value in the lives of Godly people, but they were only Saints, Bodhisattvas, Masters and Yogis due to finding this innate power within.

You picked the absolutely wrong person to say that to and it is hilarious. I only have ONE foot due to having to have one removed due to a birth defect. God didn't give me two feet so much as take one away. Oh the irony. 

[+Sherapy]

1 minute ago, Will Due said:

 

Sheri,

I choose to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is exactly who he said he was. A representation of who and what the Father in heaven is. What's written about him, again wherever it's written, is an astonishing revelation that I choose to believe.

I see God the heavenly Father in Jesus. I choose to believe that He is just like Jesus. Kind and merciful. Understanding and accepting of us and what we have to deal with living on this difficult world. I believe that when he asked to follow him, that is the way to go. Follow him in how he lived his life. Which I see as an extremely remarkable way to live one's life. Always seeking God's will in every move that's made. Learning by the mistakes that are made. That's how I become knowledgeable about Jesus.

 

 

Thank you for sharing. 

So basically, you want to be understanding and empathetic? Is this correct? 

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, darkmoonlady said:

You picked the absolutely wrong person to say that to and it is hilarious. I only have ONE foot due to having to have one removed due to a birth defect. God didn't give me two feet so much as take one away. Oh the irony. 

I see you've met Crazy Horse. There's more of that coming your way. 

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Thank you for sharing. 

So basically, you want to be understanding and empathetic? Is this correct? 

 

Of course. 

I want to comprehend and understand God as much as possible. And I see that looking at Jesus is the way to do it.

 

 

[+Sherapy]

Just now, Will Due said:

 

Of course. 

I want to comprehend and understand God as much as possible. And I see that looking at Jesus is the way to do it.

 

 

Ah you are working on your own god construct? Towards what end is my next question? Just for fun or ?

 

 

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

Ah you are working on your own god construct? Towards what end is my next question? Just for fun or ?

 

 

 

I don't see it as MY construct. I see it as God's construct. God's "construct" as the way to live. If it has to be an idea, then so be it. But as an idea, I don't see anything coming close to being as clear cut as the provided example of the life of Jesus.

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Of course. 

I want to comprehend and understand God as much as possible. And I see that looking at Jesus is the way to do it.

I don’t have a problem with that, after all it is your choice to believe that.
 

The problem, for me, is that your choice of belief does not match the facts of what can be said about Jesus the man’s life. None of the texts written about him are contemporary to his life and none of the writers ever knew him which means the claims are empty. The idea of a loving God IS NOT a Jewish idea, which means it wasn’t the portrayal Jesus would have been brought up with, it was of entirely later Christian manufacture. This and your choice do not match, that’s the problem. 
 

cormac

[+Hammerclaw]

8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

The idea of a loving God IS NOT a Jewish idea

Sorry, my friend, but that's not true. When he's not being portrayed as a hairy thunderer, in the Psalms his loving kindness is quite often mentioned.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Hammerclaw

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

Sorry, my friend, but that's not true. When he's not being portrayed as a hairy thunderer, in the Psalms his loving kindness is quite often mentioned.

Ok, SOLELY loving God. 😝

And he can keep his “thunderer” elsewhere! 
 

cormac

Edited December 1, 2023 by cormac mac airt

[+Hammerclaw]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

Ok, SOLELY loving God. 😝

cormac

Nor in The New Testament, either. There's just enough time for him to destroy anything there.

[Will Due]

19 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

I don’t have a problem with that, after all it is your choice to believe that.
 

The problem, for me, is that your choice of belief does not match the facts of what can be said about Jesus the man’s life. None of the texts written about him are contemporary to his life and none of the writers ever knew him which means the claims are empty. The idea of a loving God IS NOT a Jewish idea, which means it wasn’t the portrayal Jesus would have been brought up with, it was of entirely later Christian manufacture. This and your choice do not match, that’s the problem. 
 

cormac

 

I understand your points about the texts. Their origin, who wrote them and all of that.

But I have chosen to ignore it. I just look at what specifically is written wherever it's written. And when I add it all up, it's obvious to me that amongst those things that I perceive as being clearly true, there are things that aren't true. So I take it on myself to decide which is which.

Doing that, I feel that the purpose or at least one of the purposes of Jesus having appeared on our planet, is for making it easy for anyone to understand and comprehend who and what God is. Looking at the text and setting aside who wrote it, I see what it says about him, and it makes sense to me that as the creator he would want to incarnate and appear amongst us in order to reveal and make it easy to comprehend what is true about God. So I choose to believe it.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Will Due

[XenoFish]

A point that needs repeating.

[+Sherapy]

20 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

I don't see it as MY construct. I see it as God's construct. God's "construct" as the way to live. If it has to be an idea, then so be it. But as an idea, I don't see anything coming close to being as clear cut as the provided example of the life of Jesus.

 

 

Whatever works for you, that is on you, my question is towards what end?

[Will Due]

2 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Whatever works for you, that is on you, my question is towards what end?

 

To the end of having the greatest comprehension and understanding of God as possible.

 

 

[+Sherapy]

4 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

A point that needs repeating.

Excellent article. 🙏🏼