when we become ancient's are time in the universe will be mystical

[+Sherapy]

2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

To the end of having the greatest comprehension and understanding of God as possible.

 

 

How will you be doing this?

[+Hammerclaw]

5 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Excellent article. 🙏🏼

I agree. Everyone perceives the world through their own unique reality lens, which colors, distorts or clarifies their perception of self, reality and their position therein.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Hammerclaw

[+Sherapy]

2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

I agree. Everyone perceives the world through their own unique reality lens, which colors distorts or clarifies their perception of self, reality and their position therein.

It sounds a lot like mindfulness approach too.
 

Kudo’s to Xeno for the add to.  I enjoyed reading it. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Sherapy

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

How will you be doing this?

 

By working at it.

 

 

[+Hammerclaw]

1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

It sounds a lot like mindfulness approach too.
 

Kudo’s to Xeno for the add to.  I enjoyed reading it. 

I missed it at first. Glad you quoted it.

[cormac mac airt]

9 minutes ago, Will Due said:

I understand your points about the texts. Their origin, who wrote them and all of that.

But I have chosen to ignore it. I just look at what specifically is written wherever it's written. And when I add it all up, it's obvious to me that amongst those things that I perceive as being clearly true, there are things that aren't true. So I take it on myself to decide which is which.

Doing that, I feel that the purpose or at least one of the purposes of Jesus having appeared on our planet, is for making it easy for anyone to understand and comprehend who and what God is. Looking at the text and setting aside who wrote it, I see what it says about him, and that it makes sense to me that as the creator he would want to incarnate and appear amongst us in order to reveal and make it easy to comprehend what is true about God. So I choose to believe it.

But in doing so you’ve made your beliefs irrelevant to both Jesus the man AND Jesus the Christ as neither were/are believed to be what you want them to be. It’s embarrassing enough that Christianity made more of a dead man than is otherwise in evidence but you’ve taken that fabrication to a whole new level. You may as well have taken a dump on the name and memory of Jesus the man for all the difference it would make. Regardless of what he actually believed I think he deserved better than what you’ve done to him. 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

It sounds a lot like mindfulness approach too.
 

Kudo’s to Xeno for the add to.  I enjoyed reading it. 

It's only mindful when you become aware that you're in a reality tunnel. I have Piney and Not A Rockstar to thank for that. 

[+Sherapy]

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It's only mindful when you become aware that you're in a reality tunnel. I have Piney and Not A Rockstar to thank for that. 

Yep. 💖

Edited December 1, 2023 by Sherapy

[+Sherapy]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

But in doing so you’ve made your beliefs irrelevant to both Jesus the man AND Jesus the Christ as neither were/are believed to be what you want them to be. It’s embarrassing enough that Christianity made more of a dead man than is otherwise in evidence but you’ve taken that fabrication to a whole new level. You may as well have taken a dump on the name and memory of Jesus the man for all the difference it would make. Regardless of what he actually believed I think he deserved better than what you’ve done to him. 
 

cormac

You know, I think you have a point. It can be argued that it is lying. 

[XenoFish]

https://integralchurch.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/the-thinker-and-the-prover/

The above link pretty much sums it all up. If you think about finding quarters you'll notice lost change more. Say a prayer and you'll shift your perspective. Think deeply and passionately about how everything outside of your belief system is evil, you get Reads threads.

 

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

But in doing so you’ve made your beliefs irrelevant to both Jesus the man AND Jesus the Christ as neither were/are believed to be what you want them to be. It’s embarrassing enough that Christianity made more of a dead man than is otherwise in evidence but you’ve taken that fabrication to a whole new level. You may as well have taken a dump on the name and memory of Jesus the man for all the difference it would make. Regardless of what he actually believed I think he deserved better than what you’ve done to him. 
 

cormac

 

I tried to say something and I guess as usual, I failed to communicate it like I wanted to. So I'll try again.

What I meant by that is that I focus on what is written in the text and evaluate it for exactly what it says. Nothing else. Sometimes my evaluation is that what's written (wherever it's written) can't be true. And sometimes my evaluation is that it's absolutely true.

What I don't keep in mind is who wrote it. When it was written etc. Because as far as I'm concerned, it isn't relevant to the words that have been written. That's what I choose to do and if you don't choose to do that, that's your prerogative and none of my business.

 

 

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Yep. 💖

You and Connie ran emotional support and hammer was boot to ass when needed.

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

You know, I think you have a point. It can be argued that it is lying. 

Will’s entitled to believe what he wants, for himself. But IMO Jesus the man is perhaps the most mischaracterized person in human history and Will has admitted to ignoring the man AND the myth in favor of what Will wants to believe about him. That’s unconscionable IMO. 
 

cormac

[+Sherapy]

9 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You and Connie ran emotional support and hammer was boot to ass when needed.

Connie is an Angel, major respect and love for this lady.  Talk about an example 🙏🏼.

Thanks for your kind words.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Sherapy

[+Sherapy]

3 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Will’s entitled to believe what he wants, for himself. But IMO Jesus the man is perhaps the most mischaracterized person in human history and Will has admitted to ignoring the man AND the myth in favor of what Will wants to believe about him. That’s unconscionable IMO. 
 

cormac

I agree. I had not looked at it like this. 

[cormac mac airt]

6 minutes ago, Will Due said:

I tried to say something and I guess as usual, I failed to communicate it like I wanted to. So I'll try again.

What I meant by that is that I focus on what is written in the text and evaluate it for exactly what it says. Nothing else. Sometimes my evaluation is that what's written (wherever it's written) can't be true. And sometimes my evaluation is that it's absolutely true.

What I don't keep in mind is who wrote it. When it was written etc. Because as far as I'm concerned, it isn't relevant to the words that have been written. That's what I choose to do and if you don't choose to do that, that's your prerogative and none of my business.

So you’ll believe whatever is written just because it’s written, because that’s essentially what you’re doing? That’s still a failure. 
 

BTW your qualified in or have read and/or compared Hebrew, Latin, Aramaic and Koine Greek then? 
 

cormac
 

 

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Will’s entitled to believe what he wants, for himself. But IMO Jesus the man is perhaps the most mischaracterized person in human history and Will has admitted to ignoring the man AND the myth in favor of what Will wants to believe about him. That’s unconscionable IMO. 
 

cormac

If the fictional Jesus can inspire him in seeking to be a better person, it really doesn't matter. 

[+Hammerclaw]

11 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

You know, I think you have a point. It can be argued that it is lying. 

Well, according to Kant, one is not necessarily responsible for one's actions, but one is responsible for one's intentions. So, if one unknowingly repeats a lie, one is not morally culpable.

[Will Due]

13 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Will’s entitled to believe what he wants, for himself. But IMO Jesus the man is perhaps the most mischaracterized person in human history and Will has admitted to ignoring the man AND the myth in favor of what Will wants to believe about him. That’s unconscionable IMO. 
 

cormac

 

I didn't say I chose to ignore the man Cormac, I said I choose to ignore those things that you keep bringing up about why the text, the Bible, is untrustworthy in not so many words. Is not reliable. That as you put it, the text is fiction in that it was used to dupe people so they can be controlled and all of that. That's what I choose to ignore.

But what I don't ignore is what I personally have evaluated to be true that's written about him. It's my choice to do that and I don't have a problem with anyone who chooses to do otherwise.

The presentation of the man in the text to me is astonishing in its revelation of who and what God is. And that makes it easy for me to comprehend a lot more than just things about God.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Will Due

[+Sherapy]

1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said:

So you’ll believe whatever is written just because it’s written, because that’s essentially what you’re doing? That’s still a failure. 
 

BTW your qualified in or have read and/or compared Hebrew, Latin, Aramaic and Koine Greek then? 
 

cormac
 

 

Then there is that👊🏼

[Will Due]

5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

So you’ll believe whatever is written just because it’s written

 

Not exactly. But more because of how it makes me understand what's true and what isn't true. Thanks to what's written.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Will Due

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

If the fictional Jesus can inspire him in seeking to be a better person, it really doesn't matter. 

Jesus in this case is nothing more than a name Will glommed onto in order to claim some sort of religious relevancy, so yes I believe it DOES matter. 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Jesus in this case is nothing more than a name Will glommed onto in order to claim some sort of religious relevancy, so yes I believe it DOES matter. 
 

cormac

I got what I wanted from the discussion I had with him. So I'm basically done. 

[cormac mac airt]

3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Not exactly. But more because of how it makes me understand what's true and what isn't true.

But you’re purposely ignoring what IS true about the man leaving you no truth left to build on. 
 

cormac

[+Hammerclaw]

19 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

https://integralchurch.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/the-thinker-and-the-prover/

The above link pretty much sums it all up. If you think about finding quarters you'll notice lost change more. Say a prayer and you'll shift your perspective. Think deeply and passionately about how everything outside of your belief system is evil, you get Reads threads.

 

Read's problem is that evil lives, rent-free, in her head and she looks at the world through its eyes.