PROJECT 2025 Trump puts team together to prepare should he win...

[+and-then]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/project-2025-heritage-foundation/2023/11/21/id/1143159/

THIS^ is going to set the Left off into massive waves of hysteria.  They're going to call it everything from a "coup" to a dictatorial putsch.  Those who support it - like myself - recognize it as the ONLY way to stop the bureaucrats in DC from doing again what they did between 2017-2021.

Opinions?

[Duke Wellington]

8 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/project-2025-heritage-foundation/2023/11/21/id/1143159/

THIS^ is going to set the Left off into massive waves of hysteria.  They're going to call it everything from a "coup" to a dictatorial putsch.  Those who support it - like myself - recognize it as the ONLY way to stop the bureaucrats in DC from doing again what they did between 2017-2021.

Opinions?

But the lefties have already done just that taking over the state apparatus so why not do it back.

Go Trump!!!! And I hope he finds a way to get Biden up on treason charges. 

[Hawken]

Look how desperate the left is with the witch hunts. If they fail with that, I wouldn't be surprised if they try a JFK. 

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/project-2025-heritage-foundation/2023/11/21/id/1143159/

THIS^ is going to set the Left off into massive waves of hysteria.  They're going to call it everything from a "coup" to a dictatorial putsch.  Those who support it - like myself - recognize it as the ONLY way to stop the bureaucrats in DC from doing again what they did between 2017-2021.

Opinions?

Less checks and balances is a good thing as long as it sets the libs off. Right on brother. 

[spartan max2]

Lets look at project 2025s flawed logic here.

So the claim is that the government is weaponsized against Trump. The justice department, FBI, etc . Yadda yadda.

So the "solution" is to make these departments less independent and more directly under the control of the president.

And when Democrats win the presidency in the future? I guess the people you think weaponize the government will now have more power to weaponize the government? 

So even ignoring the problem with removing checks and balances in a democracy this plan still makes no sense and does the opposite of what it claims it wants to do.

This whole project only makes any sense if we say Trump's quiet part out loud which is that he dosen't plan on the US having fair elections if he wins again. 

But yeah, own the libs. Lawl.

Edited November 22, 2023 by spartan max2

[+Link of Hyrule]

2 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

This whole project only makes any sense if we say Trump's quiet part out loud which is that he dosen't plan on the US having fair elections if he wins again. 

Is this like the "quiet part out loud" when some people said that Trump wasn't going to step down in January 2021 when he lost....  and then Trump went and stepped down just like every conservative said Trump would do? 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Paranoid Android

[spartan max2]

5 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Is this like the "quiet part out loud" when some people said that Trump wasn't going to step down in January 2021 when he lost....  and then Trump went and stepped down just like every conservative said Trump would do? 

He could have been escorted out by the police. Not really a relevant details as that would have been a meaningless gesture on his part.

As for all his efforts to overturn the election on the other hand...

When people show you who they are believe them. If project 2025 was in place then he could of actually done more to get the justice department to find "fraud." But hey, checks and balances are for losers anyways.

Trump showed us that he would do anything to win. 

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

For those who support project 2025. Perhaps explain how giving Democrats more power to "weaponize the government" helps stop the government from being weaponsized? Because obviously there will be another Democrat president at some point.

This project makes zero sense if that is truly the goal of it 

Edited November 22, 2023 by spartan max2

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

He could have been escorted out by the police. Not really a relevant details as that would have been a meaningless gesture on his part.

If he refused to leave, that's probably what would have happened. But it isn't what happened because he left just like every Republican/conservative said! Now you're pushing this as if it will happen next time. And when Trump is elected (unfortunately it looks like Trump will be the president, unless something drastic happens between now and the election) he will go through 4 years and then he'll leave just like we'd expect a president to. And you guys will make up some excuse why Trump didn't manage to stay in office while every conservative will shrug their shoulders and say "what else would you expect to happen"? And then you'll look silly for pushing this narrative as you are right now. 

 

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

As for all his efforts to overturn the election on the other hand...

When people show you who they are believe them. If project 2025 was in place then he could of actually done more to get the justice department to find "fraud." But hey, checks and balances are for losers anyways.

Trump showed us that he would do anything to win. 

 

Ok, so now what. He's likely to be the Republican candidate in 2024, and he'll also try to do everything he can to win. If he wins then he'll be president for four more years. If he doesn't then he won't. It really is that simple. 

[+and-then]

The point of the thread is to make it clear that he is planning to avoid the same chaos that was foist on the nation the last time by planning ahead.  All it would take, if he won, was for the Dems to have control of one house of the Congress, or possibly not even THAT, for DC's criminal elements in the bureaucracy (remember the endless leaks?)  to hamstring the winner and stop the will of the majority of Americans in the majority of states (that's the DEFINITION of the Electoral College, BTW) and this plan seeks to avoid that.  The bureaucratic state will lose its collective minds if it looks like he has a real chance to win.  

This plan, BTW, is being assembled for whichever Republican might win.  I doubt any other Republican would have the guts but they won't have any excuse, anyway.

[Doc Socks Junior]

12 minutes ago, and-then said:

The point of the thread is to make it clear that he is planning to avoid the same chaos that was foist on the nation the last time by planning ahead.  All it would take, if he won, was for the Dems to have control of one house of the Congress, or possibly not even THAT, for DC's criminal elements in the bureaucracy (remember the endless leaks?)  to hamstring the winner and stop the will of the majority of Americans in the majority of states (that's the DEFINITION of the Electoral College, BTW) and this plan seeks to avoid that.  The bureaucratic state will lose its collective minds if it looks like he has a real chance to win.  

This plan, BTW, is being assembled for whichever Republican might win.  I doubt any other Republican would have the guts but they won't have any excuse, anyway.

Stopping the will of the majority of Americans in the majority of states is exactly what Trump and his cronies tried to do in 2020 and early 2021. Forgive me if I don't think the chaos monger himself is the correct person to stop the chaos he himself attempted last time.

It's amazing how your fears are so clearly based on what you wish your own side to do. Makes one wonder about a whole number of your other statements, really.

 

[Edumakated]

59 minutes ago, and-then said:

The point of the thread is to make it clear that he is planning to avoid the same chaos that was foist on the nation the last time by planning ahead.  All it would take, if he won, was for the Dems to have control of one house of the Congress, or possibly not even THAT, for DC's criminal elements in the bureaucracy (remember the endless leaks?)  to hamstring the winner and stop the will of the majority of Americans in the majority of states (that's the DEFINITION of the Electoral College, BTW) and this plan seeks to avoid that.  The bureaucratic state will lose its collective minds if it looks like he has a real chance to win.  

This plan, BTW, is being assembled for whichever Republican might win.  I doubt any other Republican would have the guts but they won't have any excuse, anyway.

They definitely need to be able to get rid of these entrenched unelected bureaucrats who attempt to undermine the President's agenda.  Trump was naive to the depths of the swamp during his first term.  Hopefully, he won't make that same mistake again.  In the real world outside of government, CEOs often fire left execs or those who were protege's of previous CEO or rivals.

[Raptor Witness]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

Opinions?

I think DJT, should command you to be his Minister of Magic.

 

[Alchopwn]

4 hours ago, Hawken said:

Look how desperate the left is with the witch hunts. If they fail with that, I wouldn't be surprised if they try a JFK. 

When a guy who held the highest office in the land keeps confessing to crimes, many of which he committed while in office, it isn't a witch hunt, it's probable cause. 

I mean, he can't even keep his incestuous thoughts towards his own daughters in check:

Yet you want this perverted animal to run the country again?  Even Satanists have higher moral standards than you MAGATs.

Edited November 22, 2023 by Alchopwn

[Tatetopa]

Project 2025 appears to be plans to remove 50,000 bureaucrats and replace them with Trump loyalists who know nothing about the bureaucracy they are supposed to run.

Bureaucracies  and agencies  break down and cease to function.  Government provides no services or organization.  

The state begins to die, temporarily held together by a failing authoritarian regime, it will fade.

WOW, what a bright future for our children.   Who couldn't get excited about that?

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

Bureaucracies  and agencies  break down and cease to function. 

BS.  You aren't that naive.  You just don't them run by anyone that doesn't agree with YOUR worldview.  Why not just admit it?  Especially since before this next election is over, the whole country may implode if your DC heroes move on Trump even when it's obvious he wins.

[Doc Socks Junior]

7 minutes ago, and-then said:

BS.  You aren't that naive.  You just don't them run by anyone that doesn't agree with YOUR worldview.  Why not just admit it?  Especially since before this next election is over, the whole country may implode if your DC heroes move on Trump even when it's obvious he wins.

Sorry, chief, but you thought it was obvious he won in 2020 when he did not. I'm not going to trust your judgment in 2024.

Although, it does explain some things. Trump could win, and then you'll be happy. Or he'll lose like last time, and you'll again say "It's obvious he won". Truly a mindless way to solve a dilemma, but I'd expect nothing less.

[Tatetopa]

35 minutes ago, and-then said:

BS.  You aren't that naive.  You just don't them run by anyone that doesn't agree with YOUR worldview.  Why not just admit it?  Especially since before this next election is over, the whole country may implode if your DC heroes move on Trump even when it's obvious he wins.

Certainly you studied American History and learned about the period after the Civil War when "carpet baggers" and "scalliwags " took over reconstruction of the South, drained it of resources for personal gain and let it fail.  It has already happened once.

[acidhead]

I'm going to go on a short rant while I've got the energy.  (I'm sipping on black coffee before I workout) 

Personally I want Trump to win because he's the most entertaining POTUS of all time but at the end of the day you guys are still voting for two sides of the same coin every Federal election.  It's incredibly amazing how many will acknowledge they recognize this yet go along with it anyhow by participating every four years. I suppose bad habits are hard to change!

After the much hyped election foreign and monetary policy always remains intact while you swabble over mostly irrelevant issues that usually have nothing to do with the majority of people and could reasonably be passed at State levels to begin with.

FTR, same thing has basically happened in Canada. Here we're tied to the hip with American foreign and monetary policy yet it doesn't stop ignorant Canadians from declaring at every opportunity, "Oh but we're different from Americans eh,  we're polite people with Universal Healthcare eh,  and we drink like stronger beer, eh" like somehow that creates any degree of separation distinguishing a difference in who is elected to run our countries. 

😁

[Raptor Witness]

I believe DJT can easily win, because I believe fate is on his side. I was writing this two years ago, when people were saying, I was crazy. 

No one reputable, or with any degree of integrity can sit in his cabinet or be his VP, unless they have assurance that DJT will die, shortly after his inauguration.

I hate to say this, because I don’t agree with assassination as a practice, under any circumstances. However, for the good of this country, I can understand the argument that it should happen. I would not want this on my conscience, but I strongly suspect that there are many people within the military industrial complex, who wouldn’t have a problem doing it. I also believe that some would even consider it noble, and assassinate DJT with sincere patriotism. 

Many years ago, I saw a woman who looked very much like Nikki Haley in a dream. She might agree to be his VP, especially if it was whispered in her ear, that she will be the real President, when this is over.

Fast forward to the actual event, and DJT receives a fatal wound. He dies, but is resurrected or “healed” by a seen or unseen power. That’s all it would take to make him a real star.

Then, the danger is magnified by 1000 times, or more, with DJT able to become the authoritarian he always dreamed of, but which he couldn’t accomplish, due to the legal framework. 

In such a scenario, he could become a true dictator, jailing his enemies, including purging the military-industrial complex in such a way that it would not be a threat to him. I think he would also have legal justification to do so. Then he really would have the remaining, military-industrial complex, at his disposal.

It’s a terrifying possibility, but the stage is set for just such a false hero to appear, and DJT fits the part, perfectly in my view.

[spartan max2]

7 hours ago, and-then said:

BS.  You aren't that naive.  You just don't them run by anyone that doesn't agree with YOUR worldview.  Why not just admit it?  Especially since before this next election is over, the whole country may implode if your DC heroes move on Trump even when it's obvious he wins.

So if you implement project 2025 what's your plan for when Democrats win an election, be it 2028 or after?

You now have handed them the keys to replace all officials with loyalist and they can easily weaponize the government. 

Project 2025 makes no sense if it's stated goal is truly it's goal.

Removing checks and balances is a bad thing. And extremely short sighted.

You hate Trump being called a fascist yet you cheer on every step he marches towards it 

Edited November 22, 2023 by spartan max2

[Gromdor]

I'm not particularly opposed to it.  It will give the FBI a ready list of people to investigate for the next Trump scandal, demonstrate coordination and communication for possible RICO charges, and should make for some laughable situations as people with loyalty instead of competence are put into positions they know nothing about.

I can see some situations in the future where this practice could be an issue with more competent presidents.  Imagine a flat earther president replacing NASA with flat earthers or an anti-vaccer replacing the CDC with 50,000 crystal healers.  Or a corrupt president just replacing the Justice department.  So I guess the practice would be bad in regards to corruption.

[Hawken]

10 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

When a guy who held the highest office in the land keeps confessing to crimes, many of which he committed while in office, it isn't a witch hunt, it's probable cause. 

I mean, he can't even keep his incestuous thoughts towards his own daughters in check:

Yet you want this perverted animal to run the country again?  Even Satanists have higher moral standards than you MAGATs.

 

[Gromdor]

5 minutes ago, Hawken said:

 

Well, he did sexually assault people Trump Rape Lawsuit: Jury Finds Trump Liable for Sexual Abuse and Defamation - The New York Times (nytimes.com).

Has weird sexual fantasies about his daughter Ex-staffer describes Trump fantasizing about sex with Ivanka - Raw Story

And signed a deal with the Taliban and is willing to do another if elected: Donald Trump suggests he'll do trade deal with TALIBAN if he's re-elected in 2024 to regain control of Bagram Airfield to keep an eye on China (msn.com)

 

 

[Edumakated]

2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

So if you implement project 2025 what's your plan for when Democrats win an election, be it 2028 or after?

You now have handed them the keys to replace all officials with loyalist and they can easily weaponize the government. 

Project 2025 makes no sense if it's stated goal is truly it's goal.

Removing checks and balances is a bad thing. And extremely short sighted.

You hate Trump being called a fascist yet you cheer on every step he marches towards it 

This isn't "checks & balances".  It is ensuring the bureaucracy implements the policies of the President.  For example, if Trump says build the wall and has executive authority to do so, then whatever Dept. would be involved would follow that directive and not attempt to undermine his policy.

Checks and balances is our three branches of govt.   The rules of the chamber, etc.  It isn't an unelected bureaucrat deciding not to follow the wishes of their boss because he may be of the opposing party or have a different ideological vision.

In the real world, if a CEO said this is our marketing direction....   some middle manager in the marketing department couldn't just decide they aren't going to follow the strategic direction of the CEO. They would get fired.