Violent clashes break out in Dublin after knife attack

[acidhead]

Violent clashes break out in Dublin after knife attack that injured 3 children, one seriously

November 23, 2023

 

LONDON (AP) — Violent clashes broke out in central Dublin on Thursday evening, with vehicles torched and riot police attacked, after a 5-year-old girl was seriously injured in a knife attack earlier in the day that also saw a woman and two other young children hospitalized.

Irish police said the girl was receiving emergency medical treatment in a Dublin hospital following the attack outside a school. Soon after that announcement, at least 100 people took to the streets, some armed with metal bars and covering their faces. 

https://apnews.com/article/dublin-ireland-stabbing-children-9a75c71fbac34fe789220c684c5eb661

 

[Kittens Are Jerks]

What a horrific attack. Those poor children.

And what's behind the protests? Have I missed something, or do those thugs not need a reason?

[acidhead]

28 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

And what's behind the protests? Have I missed something, or do those thugs not need a reason?

I know, right? 

The AP article did not elaborate on that or left it out for some reason? 

🤔

 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

Attacker is believed to be a Algerian immigrant but that is not confirmed. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/riots-erupt-in-dublin-after-knife-attack-leaves-five-injured-including-children/ar-AA1kqPu9

 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Attacker is believed to be a Algerian immigrant but that is not confirmed. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/riots-erupt-in-dublin-after-knife-attack-leaves-five-injured-including-children/ar-AA1kqPu9

 

Putin and Erdogan are ****ting all over Europe

[+Razman]

Thats what i was thinking , how or why does this riot have anything to do with the attack? Or what does it do for it?

[+and-then]

I assumed - wrongly - that the rioters were angry because of the migrant being taken into custody but it was the opposite.  A large number of Irish citizens decided they'd had enough.  It didn't begin until after the cops seemed to be refusing to make the attack known for what it obviously WAS.  When an event like this occurs and despite large numbers of eyewitnesses there is no name or photograph made available, AND the standard  "this wasn't terrorism" claim is put forth, people know exactly what's going on and they're tired of it.  These were little kids.  He should have shouted "from the river to the sea" and maybe he'd escape prosecution at all.

Edited November 24, 2023 by and-then

[itsnotoutthere]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

I assumed - wrongly - that the rioters were angry because of the migrant being taken into custody but it was the opposite.  A large number of Irish citizens decided they'd had enough.  It didn't begin until after the cops seemed to be refusing to make the attack known for what it obviously WAS.  When an event like this occurs and despite large numbers of eyewitnesses there is no name or photograph made available, AND the standard  "this wasn't terrorism" claim is put forth, people know exactly what's going on and they're tired of it.  These were little kids.  He should have shouted "from the river to the sea" and maybe he'd escape prosecution at all.

I'd put money on it that he shouted something, but the BBC won't be telling you any time soon.

[itsnotoutthere]

9 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

What a horrific attack. Those poor children.

And what's behind the protests? Have I missed something, or do those thugs not need a reason?

Illegal migrants stabbing their children might have something to do with those 'thugs' getting angry. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by itsnotoutthere

[Kittens Are Jerks]

3 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Illegal migrants stabbing their children might have something to do with those 'thugs' getting angry. 

I was just reading that a small group of anti-immigrant protesters arrived at the scene of the stabbing, but that the violence was started by a group of far right agitators. One officer (in the article cited below) described it as 'gratuitous thuggery'.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/riots-erupt-dublin-young-children-stabbed-rcna126545

A better article on the violent protests:

https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/24/arson-and-violence-as-far-right-mob-riots-in-dublin-after-stabbing-incident-blamed-on-immi

[Kittens Are Jerks]

The more I read, the more the violent protesters look like opportunistic, racist thugs using the tragedy as an excuse to riot, loot, and attack others.

[Ozymandias]

7 hours ago, and-then said:

I assumed - wrongly - that the rioters were angry because of the migrant being taken into custody but it was the opposite.  A large number of Irish citizens decided they'd had enough.  It didn't begin until after the cops seemed to be refusing to make the attack known for what it obviously WAS.  When an event like this occurs and despite large numbers of eyewitnesses there is no name or photograph made available, AND the standard  "this wasn't terrorism" claim is put forth, people know exactly what's going on and they're tired of it.  These were little kids.  He should have shouted "from the river to the sea" and maybe he'd escape prosecution at all.

No, they do not! There were two types of people involved in the Dublin demonstrations and riots, although both might come under the banner of being extreme right. The first were ignorant and gullible social media warriors that our Police Commissioner on national TV chastised for their knee-jerk use of 'a thimble-full of facts and a bath-full of assumptions' to come onto the streets blaming immigrants and protesting against them. The second group were criminal scumbags who had no genuine concern for the poor children who were stabbed but who used the protest as an excuse to attack law enforcement and loot shops.

Unfortunately, it was not just social media who incited and inflamed the situation with false claims. Even some mainstream media outlets, like the BBC, believed and repeated fake reports on social platforms that the Irish army were deployed on the streets of Dublin. Not so. Here are some facts for those of you who claim 'to know exactly what's going on':-      

The Irish police have not yet even interviewed the Algerian man who attacked and stabbed the children and their carer. He is in hospital with serious injuries.

This Algerian man has been in Ireland for over twenty years and is an Irish citizen.

He was brought down while carrying out his attack by another immigrant, a Brazilian Deliveroo worker who risked his own life to stop him.

Irish women who were present formed a protective ring around the attacker to prevent him being further beaten. As one of them said: 'We do not want to be looked upon as savages here.'

The police have one job only, to enforce the law and maintain public order. The judiciary and a jury of the people will decide what happened and who was at fault.

The rest of us must let them get on with it.

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Ozymandias

[itsnotoutthere]

'A far right mob'   How do they know? were they asked? did they wear badges?, did they sign a form? or perhaps just lazy journalism.

Edited November 24, 2023 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[Unusual Tournament]

7 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The more I read, the more the violent protesters look like opportunistic, racist thugs using the tragedy as an excuse to riot, loot, and attack others.

Politicians are not listening to the people and the people are frustrated. The Irish do not want unchecked violent immigration. It’s happening all over Europe also. 

[Kittens Are Jerks]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Politicians are not listening to the people and the people are frustrated. The Irish do not want unchecked violent immigration. It’s happening all over Europe also. 

No one wants unchecked violent immigration, but I do not understand why this has become an issue when the assailant is a naturalized Irish citizen who has been living in Ireland for two decades. The police aren't saying very much and we still don't know what his motive was.

Frustration is no excuse for violence and the victimization of even more innocents. Obviously the protests were an uninformed knee jerk reaction, but they weren't just protests, they were also an opportunity for many to vandalize and rob.

Furthermore, the story has now become all about the violent protests and less about the fact that some lunatic attacked and seriously injured a number of children and teachers. One five year old child is still in very serious condition, as is her teacher. Thankfully bystanders got involved as the outcome would have otherwise been much worse than it was.

[Unusual Tournament]

21 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

No one wants unchecked violent immigration, but I do not understand why this has become an issue when the assailant is a naturalized Irish citizen who has been living in Ireland for two decades. The police aren't saying very much and we still don't know what his motive was.

Frustration is no excuse for violence and the victimization of even more innocents. Obviously the protests were an uninformed knee jerk reaction, but they weren't just protests, they were also an opportunity for many to vandalize and rob.

Furthermore, the story has now become all about the violent protests and less about the fact that some lunatic attacked and seriously injured a number of children and teachers. One five year old child is still in very serious condition, as is her teacher. Thankfully bystanders got involved as the outcome would have otherwise been much worse than it was.

Well I admit I didn’t know the perpetrator was a naturalised citizen and apparently the bystander that got involved and stopped it was a Brazilian. Still the undercurrent of an open border policy is real and it’s not an isolated incident, it’s happening all over Europe.
 
People have been dismissed by the politicians over their concerns for a long time and it’s been brewing, so why is it a knee jerk reaction and not vent up rage?
 

If the story is all about the protests and vandalism then it’s concerning as the politicians and media are guilt tripping Irish society and again dismissing their legitimate concerns. Everyone against the current status quo is a radical right winger or a racist doesn’t make sense

Edited November 24, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[Kittens Are Jerks]

9 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

People have been dismissed by the politicians over their concerns for a long time and it’s been brewing, so why is it a knee jerk reaction and not vent up rage?

Protests erupted as soon as people heard the assailant was a 'foreigner'. Not all people who look like they might be from 'elsewhere' are foreigners.

I'm aware of the hostility toward asylum seekers and other immigrants, particularly from far right activists (who in some respects are becoming an even bigger problem than the immigrants themselves). I'm also aware of the increasing number of protests. But I repeat, there is no excuse for violence.

[Mister Mysterious]

16 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I was just reading that a small group of anti-immigrant protesters arrived at the scene of the stabbing, but that the violence was started by a group of far right agitators. One officer (in the article cited below) described it as 'gratuitous thuggery'.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/riots-erupt-dublin-young-children-stabbed-rcna126545

A better article on the violent protests:

https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/24/arson-and-violence-as-far-right-mob-riots-in-dublin-after-stabbing-incident-blamed-on-immi

Far right? That's what leftist propagandists call people who want to deport violent migrants from their country.

[Mister Mysterious]

15 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

'A far right mob'   How do they know? were they asked? did they wear badges?, did they sign a form? or perhaps just lazy journalism.

They have a weird definition of "far right". It's anybody to the right of Karl Marx.

[+and-then]

17 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

The rest of us must let them get on with it.

It's your nation so I'll defer to you but I think your view that civilized behavior and trusting in a failed government and legal system, is already a demonstrably failed hope.  The reality, regardless of who is right, is that average native citizens in the EU have had all they can stomach and they're about to break bad on everyone they think is responsible.  Will there be some gratuitous violence and looting?  Certainly.  The best way to stop that is to actually ENFORCE LAWS against those who commit these atrocities and to do so transparently.  It will be instructive to watch how Eire chooses to handle this issue going forward.

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The police aren't saying very much and we still don't know what his motive was.

If you look back over similar attacks in the EU for the past decade or so, you will see a well-established pattern of authorities refusing to let the public know anything about the assailants including names or any photographs.  In every case like that it has later been seen that it was a Muslim radical venting his spleen about his religion or perceived "mistreatment" by the host government.  It is naive to think the EU governments aren't working to a plan here.  They know that natives are going to at least try to hold the government accountable for the suiciding of their nation through unchecked economic migration.  It's a pot that is eventually going to boil over.  IMO, when trying to judge who is the greater threat, it's a toss-up between the Muslim radicals or the governments themselves.

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

If you look back over similar attacks in the EU for the past decade or so, you will see a well-established pattern of authorities refusing to let the public know anything about the assailants including names or any photographs.  In every case like that it has later been seen that it was a Muslim radical venting his spleen about his religion or perceived "mistreatment" by the host government.  It is naive to think the EU governments aren't working to a plan here.  They know that natives are going to at least try to hold the government accountable for the suiciding of their nation through unchecked economic migration.  It's a pot that is eventually going to boil over.  IMO, when trying to judge who is the greater threat, it's a toss-up between the Muslim radicals or the governments themselves.

I think it’s important for the demonstrations to stay peaceful and focused and not play into the hands of the government and they’ll get results 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Unusual Tournament

[Ozymandias]

9 hours ago, and-then said:

It's your nation so I'll defer to you but I think your view that civilized behavior and trusting in a failed government and legal system, is already a demonstrably failed hope. 

You may be speaking for your own country, but my government and legal system have not failed. I live in a functioning democracy that values human and civil rights and protects law and order. A terrible assault was made upon innocent children in Dublin on Thursday and we still do not know why, but it was not an isolated event. Unfortunately, children are frequently assaulted by adults - often their own parents - and we allow the justice system to take its course in dealing with the perpetrators. We do not let mob rule prevail and if public protests are to be made about it, they must be made within the law.

9 hours ago, and-then said:

The reality, regardless of who is right, is that average native citizens in the EU have had all they can stomach and they're about to break bad on everyone they think is responsible.  Will there be some gratuitous violence and looting?  Certainly.  The best way to stop that is to actually ENFORCE LAWS against those who commit these atrocities and to do so transparently.  It will be instructive to watch how Eire chooses to handle this issue going forward.

Surely, the laws must be enforced against ALL lawbreakers whether they assault children or police, and then only let due process follow. In Dublin, a mob motivated by racism and anti-immigration feeling attacked police trying to preserve the scene of that attack for forensic investigation. Other criminal elements who cared nothing at all for the injured children ran riot and used the situation that night as an excuse to loot trainers and tracksuits from city centre shops. You might hold a torch for xenophobes, thugs and other far right elements whose anti-social, anti-democratic, and anti-government behaviour undermines the rule of law in a civilised society, but I don't, and neither do the Irish people.   

Edited November 25, 2023 by Ozymandias

[Eldorado]

Sinn Fein leader Mary Lou McDonald said Irish justice minister Helen McEntee and Garda Commissioner Drew Harris should resign.

Her comments follow a knife attack and subsequent violent disorder in Dublin city centre on Thursday night.

Speaking to reporters on Friday near the scene of the knife attack, Ms McDonald said there had been an “unacceptable failure to keep people safe” on Thursday night.

PA Media report at MSN