Violent clashes break out in Dublin after knife attack

[WVK]

From the comments:

Simon Denis  3 hours ago

I strongly suspect that Ireland offers us a glimpse of a horrifying future for the whole formerly western world. Immigration only works when it involves a small number of newcomers actively welcomed into a tolerant but self-confident society, able to insist on a certain number of basic norms. Those norms should themselves represent deeply held popular assumptions such that they carry the force of complete conviction; and they should be wholly shared and endorsed by the elite. The result is integration. What, however, do we have instead? Vast numbers of newcomers not welcomed but imposed. They flow into a riven society, caught in an incomplete (and probably flawed) transition from a Christian to a secularist ethos. As such, it cannot insist on norms of any kind nor do so with any force, whilst the elite offers nothing but the denigration and repudiation of its past and of the society it claims to govern. The looming result will be widespread sectarian division and civil strife. One must add, as a final observation, that the elite in question is not merely incompetent, it is malicious; operating a range of double standards in justice, policing and ethics which actively oppress the old, indigenous majority. One can only assume, therefore, that in some spirit of maximalist Gnosticism, they are out for the complete destruction of our society in the spurious hope that from the rubble will spring Utopia. We are reaching a point of no return and the overthrow of this malicious elite is an increasingly urgent necessity.

https://unherd.com/thepost/this-is-just-the-beginning-of-irelands-riots/

[Mister Mysterious]

10 hours ago, WVK said:

From the comments:

Simon Denis  3 hours ago

I strongly suspect that Ireland offers us a glimpse of a horrifying future for the whole formerly western world. Immigration only works when it involves a small number of newcomers actively welcomed into a tolerant but self-confident society, able to insist on a certain number of basic norms. Those norms should themselves represent deeply held popular assumptions such that they carry the force of complete conviction; and they should be wholly shared and endorsed by the elite. The result is integration. What, however, do we have instead? Vast numbers of newcomers not welcomed but imposed. They flow into a riven society, caught in an incomplete (and probably flawed) transition from a Christian to a secularist ethos. As such, it cannot insist on norms of any kind nor do so with any force, whilst the elite offers nothing but the denigration and repudiation of its past and of the society it claims to govern. The looming result will be widespread sectarian division and civil strife. One must add, as a final observation, that the elite in question is not merely incompetent, it is malicious; operating a range of double standards in justice, policing and ethics which actively oppress the old, indigenous majority. One can only assume, therefore, that in some spirit of maximalist Gnosticism, they are out for the complete destruction of our society in the spurious hope that from the rubble will spring Utopia. We are reaching a point of no return and the overthrow of this malicious elite is an increasingly urgent necessity.

https://unherd.com/thepost/this-is-just-the-beginning-of-irelands-riots/

That is a brilliant and honest commentary on the present situation in both North America and Western Europe. Anybody, who wants sane immigration laws, is categorized as "far right" by New Normal propagandists, but I'm fine with "far right" if it means "really correct".  I'm optimistic because millions of people are awakening to the lies from the spokesmen for entrenched globalism. They know that, and they're doubling down on their malevolent actions out of panicked desperation because these people fear benign populism more than werewolves fear silver bullets.

[Mister Mysterious]

22 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I think it’s important for the demonstrations to stay peaceful and focused and not play into the hands of the government and they’ll get results 

I agree with that. However, all cognizant individuals know and understand that the governments and their media will continue to be dishonest and misleading in their coverage and their reporting on protesting *or* rioting in ways that make North Korean newspapers look like The Hill. This was brought home by the "mostly peaceful protests" during the commie riots of 2020. These propagandists make Baghdad Bob look like Walter Cronkite.

[Mister Mysterious]

17 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

You may be speaking for your own country, but my government and legal system have not failed. I live in a functioning democracy that values human and civil rights and protects law and order. A terrible assault was made upon innocent children in Dublin on Thursday and we still do not know why, but it was not an isolated event. Unfortunately, children are frequently assaulted by adults - often their own parents - and we allow the justice system to take its course in dealing with the perpetrators. We do not let mob rule prevail and if public protests are to be made about it, they must be made within the law.

Surely, the laws must be enforced against ALL lawbreakers whether they assault children or police, and then only let due process follow. In Dublin, a mob motivated by racism and anti-immigration feeling attacked police trying to preserve the scene of that attack for forensic investigation. Other criminal elements who cared nothing at all for the injured children ran riot and used the situation that night as an excuse to loot trainers and tracksuits from city centre shops. You might hold a torch for xenophobes, thugs and other far right elements whose anti-social, anti-democratic, and anti-government behaviour undermines the rule of law in a civilised society, but I don't, and neither do the Irish people.   

Your country has failed your people just like my country has failed my people. That much is obvious, and all of the SJW malarkey in the history of the world won't change that obvious fact, one as a clear as a McGregor punch. Connor has it right. My last immigrant ancestor came from Ireland, and I'm glad to see that some Irishmen still have their testicles and aren't all castrated sheep like the ones, in the hypnotized globalist flock, who say "baah" with a brogue.

[Ozymandias]

8 hours ago, Mister Mysterious said:

Your country has failed your people just like my country has failed my people. That much is obvious, and all of the SJW malarkey in the history of the world won't change that obvious fact, one as a clear as a McGregor punch. Connor has it right. My last immigrant ancestor came from Ireland, and I'm glad to see that some Irishmen still have their testicles and aren't all castrated sheep like the ones, in the hypnotized globalist flock, who say "baah" with a brogue.

 "baah"!!

that's all this post deserves.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

On 11/24/2023 at 7:30 PM, Mister Mysterious said:

Far right? That's what leftist propagandists call people who want to deport violent migrants from their country.

The far right are those who, among other things, spread disinformation for no other reason than to incite fear and hatred toward immigrants, especially asylum seekers. But you already knew that.

[Eldorado]

Nestled in the oldest part of Dublin is a market that sells just about everything: Ireland flags, stone statues of Buddha, lace knickers. But freedom seems to be in short supply at Liberty Market.

This year, the market is celebrating its 50th year. Larry Mooney has been a vendor here for that entire time and says the city centre no longer feels safe.

"Personally myself I wouldn't go into town. I lived on the north side, now I live on the south side because there's no way I would go down because it's like a no-go area," he told Sky News.

"I haven't been into the city for about 35 years for the simple reason there are so many nationalities in the town that people are afraid to walk down the town."

Sky News article at MSN

 

[Mister Mysterious]

18 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

 "baah"!!

that's all this post deserves.

Fair enough. It's nice to see you posting in your native language.

[Mister Mysterious]

15 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The far right are those who, among other things, spread disinformation for no other reason than to incite fear and hatred toward immigrants, especially asylum seekers. But you already knew that.

No, people are falsely accused of being far right when they're just telling the truth. But you already knew that.

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[Kittens Are Jerks]

7 hours ago, Mister Mysterious said:

No, people are falsely accused of being far right when they're just telling the truth. But you already knew that.

And to think that all this time I thought truth was something that was in accordance with fact or reality. Silly me.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Major analysis shows how Irish disinformation ecosystem has been 'co-opted by far-right actors'

A NEW REPORT analysing more than 13 million posts has been released today, shedding light on how misinformation about Covid-19, Russia and climate change, as well as hate material targeting migrants and LGBTQ+ people, is delivered to Irish internet users.

https://www.thejournal.ie/how-misinformation-spreads-in-ireland-isd-analysis-social-media-news-fringe-groups-6226354-Nov2023/

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Major analysis shows how Irish disinformation ecosystem has been 'co-opted by far-right actors'

A NEW REPORT analysing more than 13 million posts has been released today, shedding light on how misinformation about Covid-19, Russia and climate change, as well as hate material targeting migrants and LGBTQ+ people, is delivered to Irish internet users.

https://www.thejournal.ie/how-misinformation-spreads-in-ireland-isd-analysis-social-media-news-fringe-groups-6226354-Nov2023/

Alternatively their country is being filled up with immigrants, like the UK, and the majority dont want to be in the EU.

[Eldorado]

Update:

Dublin knife attack suspect may have suffered serious brain injuries

Gardai from the city’s Mountjoy Station are still waiting to question him but won’t be allowed to until he is medically fit enough.

And sources have warned that could be some time. One added: “He is in a bad way. His head injuries are extensive and may be permanent.”

The five-year-old girl who was stabbed several times in the attack is still critically ill in Dublin ’s Temple Street Hospital.

The two other kids, a girl aged six and a five-year-old, were less seriously injured and have been discharged from hospital.

The female worker who was stabbed was still in hospital last night, but there are hopes she will make a full recovery.

Dublin Live

[+and-then]

On 11/25/2023 at 8:40 AM, Ozymandias said:

In Dublin, a mob motivated by racism and anti-immigration feeling attacked police trying to preserve the scene of that attack for forensic investigation.

You have nothing to back this claim except personal opinion and media reports, do you?  I assume that you didn't actually know any of the rioters, therefore you are making assumptions based on your own biases - as supported by your choice of media to trust.  You waste your time preaching to me about hate without acknowledging your own.  Save your breath, your opinons of me don't matter to me at all.  I've gotten to know a few folks from your Isle while I've been on UM and they broke me from the dream of ever going there as a tourist.  It had been on my bucket list but if even half of the citizens are as nasty as you and the Chimp, I have no need to waste money to be around them.  Ta...

[Kittens Are Jerks]

2 hours ago, Electric Scooter said:

Alternatively their country is being filled up with immigrants, like the UK, and the majority dont want to be in the EU.

No one is suggesting Ireland does not have a migrant crisis on its hands. It seems to have bit off more than it could chew, but that can be said of many other places as well. Nearly 100,000 Ukrainians have sought refuge there, not to mention the thousands of other asylum claims from other places. But why target the migrants? Imagine escaping a dangerous situation only to be targeted in what should be a place of refuge.

If anyone has to answer to the people, it's the government.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

2 hours ago, Electric Scooter said:

... and the majority dont want to be in the EU.

There are indeed groups who don't want to be in the EU, but the Euroskeptics appear to be in the minority.

If these stats mean anything:

Opinion polls held in the country between 2017 and 2022 indicated between 70% and 90% support for continued membership of the European Union (EU), and a 2021 'Eurobarometer' report indicating that 75% of poll respondents had a "positive image of the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

[Ozymandias]

38 minutes ago, and-then said:

You have nothing to back this claim except personal opinion and media reports, do you?  I assume that you didn't actually know any of the rioters, therefore you are making assumptions based on your own biases - as supported by your choice of media to trust.  You waste your time preaching to me about hate without acknowledging your own.  Save your breath, your opinons of me don't matter to me at all.  I've gotten to know a few folks from your Isle while I've been on UM and they broke me from the dream of ever going there as a tourist.  It had been on my bucket list but if even half of the citizens are as nasty as you and the Chimp, I have no need to waste money to be around them.  Ta...

If my opinion does not matter, why react to it? And why let it stop you from coming to my lovely country?

You have to distinguish between refugees and ordinary immigrants. We have 100,000 Ukrainian refugees at the moment and don't seem to have the capacity for any more. Even though they are stretching our resources, they are welcome.

On the other hand, some 12% of our population are foreign born immigrants. Most people in Ireland welcome them and we have regular naturalisation ceremonies each year awarding them citizenship. Most have integrated well into Irish society and are productive here. A minority of Irish do not want foreigners here and these are very often unproductive types themselves who live off the state and peddle the myth that immigrants take Irish jobs. Unlike the vast majority of immigrants, those criminals who rioted in Dublin last week, looting shops for trainers and tracksuits, burning police cars and public transport vehicles, wouldn't do an honest day's work if you paid them. At great cost to the Irish state and taxpayer, they inflicted more damage per head last week than any immigrant. Far from caring about the children that were stabbed or the brave immigrant who took their attacker down, all they wanted was to steal and terrorise decent members of the public. 

I would sooner have the immigrants here than homegrown criminal scumbags. I hope the police throw the book at them. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Ozymandias

[Kittens Are Jerks]

13 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Unlike the vast majority of immigrants, those criminals who rioted in Dublin last week, looting shops for trainers and tracksuits, burning police cars and public transport vehicles, wouldn't do an honest day's work if you paid them. At great cost to the Irish state and taxpayer, they inflicted more damage per head last week than any immigrant.

PM Varadkar hit the nail on the head when he described them as people 'filled with hate.'

Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said Ireland's capital had endured two attacks — one on innocent children and the other on "our society and the rule of law." "These criminals did not do what they did because they love Ireland. They did not do what they did because they wanted to protect Irish people. They did not do it out of any sense of patriotism, however warped," Varadkar told reporters on Friday morning. "They did so because they're filled with hate. They love violence, they love chaos and they love causing pain to others."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ireland-dublin-riots-stabbing-1.7038726

[Kittens Are Jerks]

‘Any foreigner, just kill them’: How far-Right hooligans used WhatsApp to organise Dublin riots

Hours after a lone knifeman plunged his weapon into three young schoolchildren on the streets of Dublin, a call to arms was made. A small but vocal minority took to social media to instigate the worst night of rioting the Irish capital has witnessed in decades.Their fury was stoked by unsubstantiated online reports that the man who attacked the children was from Algeria. The chilling aim of the riots for one so-called “patriot”: “kill all foreigners”.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/foreigner-just-kill-them-far-203818433.html

The Telegraph's article is behind a paywall, but here it is anyway for those who can access it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/24/how-far-right-hooligans-used-whatsapp-organise-dublin-riots/

[itsnotoutthere]

On 11/25/2023 at 5:14 AM, Kittens Are Jerks said:

No one wants unchecked violent immigration, but I do not understand why this has become an issue when the assailant is a naturalized Irish citizen who has been living in Ireland for two decades. The police aren't saying very much and we still don't know what his motive was.

Frustration is no excuse for violence and the victimization of even more innocents. Obviously the protests were an uninformed knee jerk reaction, but they weren't just protests, they were also an opportunity for many to vandalize and rob.

Furthermore, the story has now become all about the violent protests and less about the fact that some lunatic attacked and seriously injured a number of children and teachers. One five year old child is still in very serious condition, as is her teacher. Thankfully bystanders got involved as the outcome would have otherwise been much worse than it was.

"Frustration is no excuse for violence and the victimization of even more innocents." 

He stabbed 5 people including a 5 year old child... What the hell are you talking about... 'victimization'!!! 

[Kittens Are Jerks]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"Frustration is no excuse for violence and the victimization of even more innocents." 

He stabbed 5 people including a 5 year old child... What the hell are you talking about... 'victimization'!!! 

What the hell am I talking about? What the hell are you talking about?

I truly don't know and can only surmise that you misunderstood my post. So to clarify, my comment had nothing to do with the perpetrator as I really do not think him a victim, if that's what you were suggesting. I was referring to frustration with immigration policy and the significant influx of refugees and migrants, and it is that frustration that I deem a really poor excuse for the victimization of more innocents (such as the destruction and theft of people's property, assaults on police officers, not to mention, calls for the death of foreigners).

I also do not believe the attack on the children, heinous as it was, justifies such extreme actions.

I have no issue with protests in and of themselves, but I do have an issue when they become an excuse for violence and destruction.

As for the attacker, he is currently in an induced coma with severe brain injuries and the damage will most likely be permanent. His family stated that he had declined mentally after being diagnosed with a brain tumour a couple of years ago. Brain tumours and the treatment of them can cause personality changes in people, in some cases making them extremely aggressive.

It's certainly a plausible explanation for his actions, although I don't know if his family was specific about the changes they noticed in him and whether any of those changes included aggressive behaviour. So it could be that or it could be a number of other things. We most likely will never know as his prognosis at the moment is not good.

[Setton]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

 I've gotten to know a few folks from your Isle while I've been on UM and they broke me from the dream of ever going there as a tourist.  

Shamrocks, Guinness and pots of gold all round, I imagine @Ozymandias?

[Mister Mysterious]

17 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

And to think that all this time I thought truth was something that was in accordance with fact or reality. Silly me.

It is. Somebody should notify the press that brainwashes you guys.

[qxcontinuum]

In reality people are starting to be sick and tired with their governments, bringing low end people from failing societies who instead of enjoying the newest life given , they seek to destroy the western values from within.

Like an adopted child killing the surrogate mother who took him out of misery. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by qxcontinuum