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Many have noticed that the Hellenic alphabet has been planned so as to create meaningful isopsephy - arithmetic equalities. What was the goal?

Below isopsephy is used to create geometrical diagrams. We equate the circle perimeter to the isopsephy value of Jesus as Iesous(ΙΗΣΟΥΣ). We then encode a enclosed hexagram consisting  of two equilateral triangles. The pereimeter of this hexagram is equal to the isopsephy value of the phrase "Jesus Resurrected!" as Anestethe Iesous "ΑΝΕΣΤΗΘΗ ΙΗΣΟΥΣ".

We can then see what geometric shapes can be enclosed in a circle and relate the latitude geometrically by taking the square of the latitude expressed in degrees. By choosing arbitrary longitudes I created the below diagram:

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8 minutes ago, Spiros said:

Many have noticed that the Hellenic alphabet has been planned so as to create meaningful isopsephy - arithmetic equalities. What was the goal?

Below isopsephy is used to create geometrical diagrams. We equate the circle perimeter to the isopsephy value of Jesus as Iesous(ΙΗΣΟΥΣ). We then encode a enclosed hexagram consisting  of two equilateral triangles. The pereimeter of this hexagram is equal to the isopsephy value of the phrase "Jesus Resurrected!" as Anestethe Iesous "ΑΝΕΣΤΗΘΗ ΙΗΣΟΥΣ".

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31 minutes ago, Spiros said:

Many have noticed that the Hellenic alphabet has been planned so as to create meaningful isopsephy - arithmetic equalities. What was the goal?

Below isopsephy is used to create geometrical diagrams. We equate the circle perimeter to the isopsephy value of Jesus as Iesous(ΙΗΣΟΥΣ). We then encode a enclosed hexagram consisting  of two equilateral triangles. The pereimeter of this hexagram is equal to the isopsephy value of the phrase "Jesus Resurrected!" as Anestethe Iesous "ΑΝΕΣΤΗΘΗ ΙΗΣΟΥΣ".

We can then see what geometric shapes can be enclosed in a circle and relate the latitude geometrically by taking the square of the latitude expressed in degrees. By choosing arbitrary longitudes I created the below diagram:

I always thought it was geometrical because straight lines were easier to carve onto things with chisels.

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2 hours ago, Spiros said:

Many have noticed that the Hellenic alphabet has been planned so as to create meaningful isopsephy - arithmetic equalities. What was the goal?

Below isopsephy is used to create geometrical diagrams. We equate the circle perimeter to the isopsephy value of Jesus as Iesous(ΙΗΣΟΥΣ). We then encode a enclosed hexagram consisting  of two equilateral triangles. The pereimeter of this hexagram is equal to the isopsephy value of the phrase "Jesus Resurrected!" as Anestethe Iesous "ΑΝΕΣΤΗΘΗ ΙΗΣΟΥΣ".

We can then see what geometric shapes can be enclosed in a circle and relate the latitude geometrically by taking the square of the latitude expressed in degrees. By choosing arbitrary longitudes I created the below diagram:

Nope.

Doesn't relate to the pyramids.

You can wrangle all sorts of numbers, but the Egyptians didn't have those numbers or those designations (no such thing as a "degree" to them)

We could, for instance, assign chakra numbers and colors to them or even assign elements of Native American beliefs to them -- but the Egyptians would have no idea what we were talking about and would have no real interest in them.

And in fact, depending on what you do to the numbers (which unit of measurement is used, what you are multiplying or dividing them by, how finely you measure them, what measures you accept) you could associate them with darn near anything, including the day that my cat was born.

And I assure you, she's NOT Bast.  No matter how royally she wants us to treat her or what numbers are associated with her name, she's still not a goddess.

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3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I always thought it was geometrical because straight lines were easier to carve onto things with chisels.

Yes but Egyptian hieroglyphs were also carved on rock, why did they not use geometric alphabetic letters? If I remember correctly it was Pythagoras that fixed the shape of letters associating them I assume to simple geometric shapes like the equilateral triangle, the circle, and the square. But then we have an amazing coincidence. The isopsephy value of Pythagoras' name (ΠΥΘΑΓΟΡΑΣ) is equal to that of Jerusalem (ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ) and also relates geodetically to an Egyptian pyramid. It seems that are a lot of things we are not aware of.

ΠΥΘΑΓΟΡΑΣ = 80+400+9+1+3+70+100+1+200 = 864 = ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = 10+5+100+70+400+200+1+30+8+40

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3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I always thought it was geometrical because straight lines were easier to carve onto things with chisels.

Same reason a lot of languages in the Indochinese peninsula are curly. You rip leaves when you try to scratch straight lines, but if you make them all curly, you can write stuff out.

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1 minute ago, Spiros said:

Yes but Egyptian hieroglyphs were also carved on rock, why did they not use geometric alphabetic letters? If I remember correctly it was Pythagoras that fixed the shape of letters associating them I assume to simple geometric shapes like the equilateral triangle, the circle, and the square. But then we have an amazing coincidence. The isopsephy value of Pythagoras' name (ΠΥΘΑΓΟΡΑΣ) is equal to that of Jerusalem (ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ) and also relates geodetically to an Egyptian pyramid. It seems that are a lot of things we are not aware of.

ΠΥΘΑΓΟΡΑΣ = 80+400+9+1+3+70+100+1+200 = 864 = ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = 10+5+100+70+400+200+1+30+8+40

That’s the difference betwixt carving religious iconography and everyday communiques. The effort.
You don’t see shopping lists as illuminated manuscripts for example. Carved hieroglyphs are seen in religious settings exclusively, whereas Greek…

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2 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Nope.

Doesn't relate to the pyramids.

You can wrangle all sorts of numbers, but the Egyptians didn't have those numbers or those designations (no such thing as a "degree" to them)

We could, for instance, assign chakra numbers and colors to them or even assign elements of Native American beliefs to them -- but the Egyptians would have no idea what we were talking about and would have no real interest in them.

And in fact, depending on what you do to the numbers (which unit of measurement is used, what you are multiplying or dividing them by, how finely you measure them, what measures you accept) you could associate them with darn near anything, including the day that my cat was born.

And I assure you, she's NOT Bast.  No matter how royally she wants us to treat her or what numbers are associated with her name, she's still not a goddess.

The sexagesimal system originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC. What a coincidence! The same exact time the pyramids were erected. If we look at the fact we are led to the conclusion that the pyramids were not designed by the Egyptians.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SexagesimalI quote:

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Sexagesimal, also known as base 60, is a numeral system with sixty as its base. It originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC, was passed down to the ancient Babylonians, and is still used—in a modified form—for measuring time, angles, and geographic coordinates.

The number 60, a superior highly composite number, has twelve factors, namely 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30, and 60, of which 2, 3, and 5 are prime numbers. With so many factors, many fractions involving sexagesimal numbers are simplified. For example, one hour can be divided evenly into sections of 30 minutes, 20 minutes, 15 minutes, 12 minutes, 10 minutes, 6 minutes, 5 minutes, 4 minutes, 3 minutes, 2 minutes, and 1 minute. 60 is the smallest number that is divisible by every number from 1 to 6; that is, it is the lowest common multiple of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

The 60 system, but multiplying with the number 6 leads to the 360 degree angle system.

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It is nice to see someone discussing Greek Isopsephy some attention.  Most people interested in esoteric things know about Gematria, but not its Greek equivalent.

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On 11/25/2023 at 7:39 PM, Spiros said:

The sexagesimal system originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC. What a coincidence!

Not really.  Math and astronomy arise when you have full civilizations and a class of people who can be specialists in a trade as well as a class of people who serve as priests of a formal religion.  The sexagesimal system is not particularly intuitive (and wasn't universally adopted in Sumeria); it's an artifact we use today because of the excellent astronomy of the Sumerians (not the Egyptians, please note.)

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The same exact time the pyramids were erected. If we look at the fact we are led to the conclusion that the pyramids were not designed by the Egyptians.

You don't need a sexagesimal system to heap up a pyramid.  If you did, the pyramids around the world ... INCLUDING EGYPT... could never have existed.  Children could not stack up blocks into pyramid shapes until someone taught them the sexagesimal system.  There is nothing at all about those numbers that is exclusive to architecture and geometry.

Finding "correlations" in a language that didn't exist (and might never have arisen) in a culture that wasn't even a foundational culture for that language is an exercise in absurdist thinking.  There's no "truth" there - as they've found with the "Bible Code", you can just as easily encode nonsense and falsehood using these same principles.

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On 11/25/2023 at 6:19 PM, Spiros said:

Yes but Egyptian hieroglyphs were also carved on rock, why did they not use geometric alphabetic letters?

Because they didn't have them.

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On 11/26/2023 at 1:19 AM, Spiros said:

Yes but Egyptian hieroglyphs were also carved on rock, why did they not use geometric alphabetic letters? If I remember correctly it was Pythagoras that fixed the shape of letters associating them I assume to simple geometric shapes like the equilateral triangle, the circle, and the square. But then we have an amazing coincidence. The isopsephy value of Pythagoras' name (ΠΥΘΑΓΟΡΑΣ) is equal to that of Jerusalem (ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ) and also relates geodetically to an Egyptian pyramid. It seems that are a lot of things we are not aware of.

ΠΥΘΑΓΟΡΑΣ = 80+400+9+1+3+70+100+1+200 = 864 = ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ = 10+5+100+70+400+200+1+30+8+40

Spiros, by using gematria you can prove the earth is really flat.

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In this graph I depict the distance error of various Giza pyramid correlations. We find Bauval's belt stars of Orion, as also the three pyramid mountain triads I go over in my two books. Then we have the three planet alignment. The mountain and star alignment errors are constant from day to day. The planets though change positions because they travel with different speeds around the Sun. In the graph I depict the error on the day of birth and the previous day and the next day.

It is interesting to see when the error goes to zero on that day. It turns out there is an alignment with a celestial body at upper culmination.

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On 11/26/2023 at 9:06 PM, Kenemet said:

Not really.  Math and astronomy arise when you have full civilizations and a class of people who can be specialists in a trade as well as a class of people who serve as priests of a formal religion.  The sexagesimal system is not particularly intuitive (and wasn't universally adopted in Sumeria); it's an artifact we use today because of the excellent astronomy of the Sumerians (not the Egyptians, please note.)

Did that exist in the area of Hellas including the islands? What are your thoughts about the astronomic information like the synodic period of planets of our Solar system on the so-called frying pans(τιγανόσημα – tiganoschema), especially in the Cyclades islands. You refer to the excellent astronomy of the Sumerians, but if this system was not a good one it wouldn’t have stood the test of time. We would have abandoned it. But we didn’t, and the reason is, because of it’s mathematical properties. The Maya also had excellent astronomy but we don’t use the eicosadic (20) system to measure angles or to define the length of the day. You can then refer to the idea of a 60 degree slope of a pyramid. See the article: The Bent Pyramid, the curious case of the 60 degree pyramid - Keith Hamilton.

Like 360 degrees. In Greek a degree as moira (ΜΟΙΡΑ) is feminine. Therefore if we write using ancient Hellenic "three hundred and sixty" - meaning degrees we get:

ΤΡΙΑΚΟΣΙΕΣ ΕΞΗΚΟΝΤΑ (triakosies exekonta) = 1430

What does this mean? Maybe if someone uses a different alphabet, not the Ionic it might be revealed.

ΤΡΙΑΚΟΣΙΕΣ ΗΕΞΕΕΚΟΝΤΑ (triakosies hexeekonta) = 1440 = 360 + 360 + 360 + 360

Modern Greek:

ΤΡΙΑΚΟΣΙΕΣ ΕΞΗΝΤΑ (triakosies exenta) = 1340

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14 hours ago, Spiros said:

Did that exist in the area of Hellas including the islands? What are your thoughts about the astronomic information like the synodic period of planets of our Solar system on the so-called frying pans(τιγανόσημα – tiganoschema), especially in the Cyclades islands. You refer to the excellent astronomy of the Sumerians, but if this system was not a good one it wouldn’t have stood the test of time. We would have abandoned it. But we didn’t, and the reason is, because of it’s mathematical properties. The Maya also had excellent astronomy but we don’t use the eicosadic (20) system to measure angles or to define the length of the day. You can then refer to the idea of a 60 degree slope of a pyramid. See the article: The Bent Pyramid, the curious case of the 60 degree pyramid - Keith Hamilton.

Like 360 degrees. In Greek a degree as moira (ΜΟΙΡΑ) is feminine. Therefore if we write using ancient Hellenic "three hundred and sixty" - meaning degrees we get:

ΤΡΙΑΚΟΣΙΕΣ ΕΞΗΚΟΝΤΑ (triakosies exekonta) = 1430

What does this mean? Maybe if someone uses a different alphabet, not the Ionic it might be revealed.

ΤΡΙΑΚΟΣΙΕΣ ΗΕΞΕΕΚΟΝΤΑ (triakosies hexeekonta) = 1440 = 360 + 360 + 360 + 360

Modern Greek:

ΤΡΙΑΚΟΣΙΕΣ ΕΞΗΝΤΑ (triakosies exenta) = 1340

I see no basis for it.

If it was true, then there would be only one unique word that added up to those numbers... instead of dozens upon dozens of words.  And no matter what language you used, that word (say... "gods", for example, which is "diosas" in Spanish and "gode" in Afrikaans and "bogovete" in Bulgarian and "jumalad" in Estonian and "chi" in Igbo) would all add up to the same value -- and that value would also be the same for any synonym for gods such as "deities" and "divinities" and so forth.

The whole notion was rejected at least 2000 years ago.  Iamblicus (300 AD or thereabouts) noted that when you use all sorts of mathematical methods as addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, and even ratios, the multiple methods will allow you to produce virtually every number for anything you are investigating.

It's an amusing exercise and gets people to practice basic math skills but it's not producing any truths.  It does produce a lot of word association which says something about the person and their belief system but doesn't apply to anything beyond that individual's beliefs.

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On 12/2/2023 at 2:06 PM, Kenemet said:

I see no basis for it.

If it was true, then there would be only one unique word that added up to those numbers... instead of dozens upon dozens of words.  And no matter what language you used, that word (say... "gods", for example, which is "diosas" in Spanish and "gode" in Afrikaans and "bogovete" in Bulgarian and "jumalad" in Estonian and "chi" in Igbo) would all add up to the same value -- and that value would also be the same for any synonym for gods such as "deities" and "divinities" and so forth.

The whole notion was rejected at least 2000 years ago.  Iamblicus (300 AD or thereabouts) noted that when you use all sorts of mathematical methods as addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, and even ratios, the multiple methods will allow you to produce virtually every number for anything you are investigating.

It's an amusing exercise and gets people to practice basic math skills but it's not producing any truths.  It does produce a lot of word association which says something about the person and their belief system but doesn't apply to anything beyond that individual's beliefs.

The mathematical methods you refer to might or might not be used. Isopsephy is a one to one correlation between a word or phrase and a positive integer(natural) number. This correlation is defined using a serial or decadic writing system - an alphabet, based on the mathematical process of addition.  No subtraction, division, multiplication, or any other type of process is used. Off course one might use such processes after he has computed the isopsephy value, but this is not the simple notion of one word or phrase adding up to one other word or phrase.

In the ancient Hellenic Ionic alphabet, God (ΘΕΟΣ {theos}) adds up to holy/saint(ΑΓΙΟΣ {agios}), and kind(ΑΓΑΘΟΣ {agathos}).

ΘΕΟΣ = 9 + 5 + 70 + 200 = ΑΓΙΟΣ = 1 + 3 + 10 + 70 + 200 = ΑΓΑΘΟΣ = 1 + 3 + 1 + 9 + 70 + 200 = 284

You cannot have correlations without other equalities that might not make sense. The  reason is simply because the letters of the alphabet are finite and thus you will necessarily have additions that a finite range of numerical values. There will thus be a lot of names or phrase that have the same isopsephy value. The question is if there was a purposeful encoding when inventing a word, or if there was a unconsciously created correlation made through the self-organizarion of a specific language.

What is the probability that the name of a county is equal to that of God? In Hellenic, in the Ionic alphabet, Greece is Hellas (ΕΛΛΑΣ).

ΕΛΛΑΣ = 5+30+30+1+200 = 266

Therefore 284≠266 or ΘΕΟΣ≠ΕΛΛΑΣ or God≠Greece.

ΘΕΟΣ = 9+5+60+200 = ΗΕΛΛΑΣ = 8+5+30+30+1+200 = 274

Therefore 274=274 or ΘΕΟΣ=ΕΛΛΑΣ or God=Greece.

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Man, Spiros, you're so lost. Lost in numbers.

You know, maybe you should use your method on the Japanese language, and find Mu.

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On 12/8/2023 at 7:22 PM, Spiros said:

You cannot have correlations without other equalities that might not make sense.

Which means that YOU (not the originator of the piece) are determining what it means.  If someone else runs those same numbers, they could pick a different meaning and reject yours.

That's opinion, not truth.

If I mix baking soda and vinegar, I get carbon dioxide, water, and sodium acetate.  I don't get sugar, sodium chloride, and borax.

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12 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Which means that YOU (not the originator of the piece) are determining what it means.  If someone else runs those same numbers, they could pick a different meaning and reject yours.

That's opinion, not truth.

If I mix baking soda and vinegar, I get carbon dioxide, water, and sodium acetate.  I don't get sugar, sodium chloride, and borax.

If someone stranded on a deserted island carves the word help on the sand a pilot flying over the island can interpret this as "help save the world from global warming". This doesn't mean there was no encoding and that it might have been interpreted correctly by someone. There is no mathematical proof that this will lead to a fruitful outcome. None the less given the circumstances it made sense to try it.

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29 minutes ago, Spiros said:

If someone stranded on a deserted island carves the word help on the sand a pilot flying over the island can interpret this as "help save the world from global warming". This doesn't mean there was no encoding and that it might have been interpreted correctly by someone. There is no mathematical proof that this will lead to a fruitful outcome. None the less given the circumstances it made sense to try it.

The pilot hasn't used gematria to announce that "help" also meant Angelika/Help/Her/SC/rage/Millie/Blah Blah Blah/Bark/Rage/Ceiling/Bimbo (and more than two dozen other words as seen here:  https://www.gematrix.org/?word=help).  Nor has the pilot decided that the h-e-l-p actually gematria encoded the sentence "Elodie rage-bombed her ceiling" (a sentence that is composed entirely of words of the exact same value as "help".)

The person on the desert island is not warning the world of a maniac who is addicted to blowing up ceilings -- which is what YOU are doing.

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